1st DEM Debate Thread: June 26 & 27, Miami, MSNBC & NBC & Telemundo (9-11pm)

[Crumpets]

How can anyone say Tim Ryan did poorly is beyond me. He did great IMO, can one of you people explain.

He got totally destroyed by Tulsi on foreign policy.

The annoying thing was that Tulsi wasn't making a very strong argument herself. Ryan just had no idea what he was talking about.

[Sestak]

Also for those "WARREN DID REALLY BAD" folks - she didn't bomb, she did what she needed to do, and she closed very strongly. Nothing amazing, but I wouldn't call it a bad debate either.

[SN2903]

Tulsi leading the drudge poll

[Shadows]

At this rate Beto may not make the 3rd or 4th debate.

Warren proved once again why she is not the candidate to take on Trump in the GE.

Warren could have stood out & towered above the kids & she failed in that regard.

[Saint Milei]

How can anyone say Tim Ryan did poorly is beyond me. He did great IMO, can one of you people explain.

He got totally destroyed by Tulsi on foreign policy.

The annoying thing was that Tulsi wasn't making a very strong argument herself. Ryan just had no idea what he was talking about.

The very fact that she knew what she was talking about was a strong argument itself

[SN2903]

Also for those "WARREN DID REALLY BAD" folks - she didn't bomb, she did what she needed to do, and she closed very strongly. Nothing amazing, but I wouldn't call it a bad debate either.

She def underperformed. If Bernie has a good night tomorrow night I think Warren will drop a decent amount

[Skunk]

Ryan was the only candidate to get boo'd during the debate, it should be obvious he flopped lmao.

[RI]

This debate won't impact Warren one way or another.

[brucejoel99]

Tulsi leading the drudge poll

I don't think an online Drudge poll is a reliable indicator for a Democratic debate but ok lol

[Mr. Smith]

How can anyone say Tim Ryan did poorly is beyond me. He did great IMO, can one of you people explain.

Simple, Congressman Ryan...

Well he said some of the most insanely idiotic things. Really, there wasn't any point where he ever reached anything that could be considered rational thought. It seems everyone on Atlas got dumber for trying to hear him...I know I did.

Even Beto had one or two moments with actual meaning behind them.

[SN2903]

Tulsi leading the drudge poll

I don't think an online Drudge poll is a reliable indicator for a Democratic debate but ok lol

It indicates she has appeal not just in the democratic base which means she could be a good nominee

[Bidenworth2020]

Good-
Castro
De Blasio
Warren

Neutral-
Delaney
Ryan
Gabbard
Inslee
Booker
Klobouchar

Bad-
Beto

[Rookie Yinzer]

A smashing final statement, finally. We still can grow and move on from this, Warren still has the momentum.

Most of the people on that stage won’t even make it to the third debate. She has time to improve. She needs to be assertive. Nothing happened tonight that would make her lose support.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

People saying de Blasio did good is making me cringe. The guy is a terrible mayor, and you won't find a New Yorker from any corner of the spectrum who likes him.

[here2view]

Beto had a horrendous night. The speaking Spanish part at the beginning was an obvious pandering grab.

[Crumpets]

How can anyone say Tim Ryan did poorly is beyond me. He did great IMO, can one of you people explain.

He got totally destroyed by Tulsi on foreign policy.

The annoying thing was that Tulsi wasn't making a very strong argument herself. Ryan just had no idea what he was talking about.

The very fact that she knew what she was talking about was a strong argument itself

It wasn't though. She was trying to make the case that we can just pull out of Afghanistan, look the other way, and put the money we spend in Afghanistan towards other things. Tulsi knows (I hope) that the situation in Afghanistan is way more complex than that, and we have active negotiations underway right now that will shape what our options are going forward. Even if it turns into a full withdrawal, it's no more likely that we'll be able to dump the money we currently put into Afghanistan into other things than it was for the UK to put EU money into the NHS. They're completely different appropriations, and it's not just cash you can move around like with your personal bank accounts.

[NOVA Green]

With all due respect, speaking in Spanish during this debate doesn't impressive me.

I understand your point here, especially since the vast majority of Latino Democratic Primary voters in most states tend to be Middle / Upper Middle-Class Latinos that are essentially bilingual so why bother speaking in Spanish for working-class ESL Latino voters that are much less likely to vote in Presidential Primaries or Midterm elections.

Still, being able to speak multiple languages is a skill-set that many HR and Hiring Managers look at as part of job requirements depending upon the position.

As President of the US, being able to speak in multiple languages not only makes it easier to communicate with foreign leaders in languages they might not be as fluent in, but also to speak to sections of the American public that are listening to news bites trying to understand the exact nuances of the language and translation.

I understand this might PO many "Anglos" (Apologies for those who find this term weird, but lived combined 5 yrs in CA and TX so it's not a weird word out here), especially older voters that have issues with "English is the official language of the US", but hell America has had waves of immigration ever since before we achieved independence against the Crown.

The Unions that organized the Coal Mines and Steel Mills of places such as WV and SW-PA had to publish Union pamphlets in sometimes as many as 30 languages, because of the international hiring policy of the bosses to staff the Mines and Mills of the "New World".

So I'll give you an agree / disagree, but hell if your resume might be a bit weak on other areas, no harm no foul in playing to a strength when it comes to being bilingual, especially among a significant  chunk of the DEM-GE-Base.

And, the debate was set in South FL, with Trump Immigration Policies front and center, so why not get some free local media sound bites in a large and expensive media market, 3rd largest DEM delegation to the convention, and an early Primary state?

My two cents on this topic....

[History505]

Buttigieg can take one thing from this debate for tomorrow: Don't do what O'Rouke did.

[Crumpets]

Beto had a horrendous night. The speaking Spanish part at the beginning was an obvious pandering grab.

Coming up next: "10 ways Beto is like your abuelito."

[History505]

People saying de Blasio did good is making me cringe. The guy is a terrible mayor, and you won't find a New Yorker from any corner of the spectrum who likes him.

I wouldn't want him as the nominee at all, but he showed more energy than I anticipated.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

How can anyone say Tim Ryan did poorly is beyond me. He did great IMO, can one of you people explain.

He got totally destroyed by Tulsi on foreign policy.

The annoying thing was that Tulsi wasn't making a very strong argument herself. Ryan just had no idea what he was talking about.

The very fact that she knew what she was talking about was a strong argument itself

It wasn't though. She was trying to make the case that we can just pull out of Afghanistan, look the other way, and put the money we spend in Afghanistan towards other things. Tulsi knows (I hope) that the situation in Afghanistan is way more complex than that, and we have active negotiations underway right now that will shape what our options are going forward. Even if it turns into a full withdrawal, it's no more likely that we'll be able to dump the money we currently put into Afghanistan into other things than it was for the UK to put EU money into the NHS. They're completely different appropriations, and it's not just cash you can move around like with your personal bank accounts.

Yeah but does 'its really complex' play well as a sound bite for voters?

It's actually why I respect Warren's answer to gun control -- she basically said "It's complicated and we need to actually figure out what works instead of giving you a sound bite"

[GP270watch]

 Warren did great. There were too many people on that stage, what a fiasco.

 Warren explaining that many working folks with health insurance go bankrupt when they get a serious illness closed that silly debate the candidates were having about the value of private insurance as a primary method for universal coverage.

 

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

People saying de Blasio did good is making me cringe. The guy is a terrible mayor, and you won't find a New Yorker from any corner of the spectrum who likes him.

He had a good performance, but I don't like his positions, so it didn't help him with me.

[NOVA Green]

Good time to rip on tent cities in California when the 3 Californians are on tomorrow.

Didn't catch the ref by candidate, since I had it on the background and will watch fully when my wife gets off her shift as a caregiver.....

Still, the lack of affordable housing is becoming a massive issue in the West Coast (Not only in CA), and having been homeless myself for six months after I got laid off from a well paying job, and trying to find a way to scratch up the cash just to move from PDX into a small 2 bdr apt somewhere where rental costs had exploded by 200% within 5 years in a Downstate OR Factory town.....

[Grassroots]

I'm starting to think the only reason I liked Ryan's performance is because he pandered to rust belt people like myself.

Ryan mixing up the Taliban and al-Qaeda was pretty darn bad.

He didn't mix them up, he was trying to say that the Taliban was protecting Al-Qaeda, which it was, but he had trouble getting it out.