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« on: November 23, 2005, 08:08:39 PM »
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A bill to give DC a full voting member of Congress (ending Taxation without Representation), will also give Utah one more Congressman.  Adding the two new Congressman will avoid tie votes in the House, by likely adding a Democrat from DC and a Republican from Utah.

The net result would be one more electoral vote to Utah, which is almost 100% sure to be Republican.  It will also end the theoretical outcome of a tie in the Electoral College. 
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_324180240.html

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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2005, 09:09:43 PM »

If they're serious about giving DC representation, it should get two senators as well.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2005, 09:33:28 PM »

One, the bill is obviously unconstitutional.

Two, anyone who thinks DC should get two senators should be shot.
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2005, 10:27:34 PM »

If they're serious about giving DC representation, it should get two senators as well.

It should get to vote for Maryland's Senators.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2005, 10:30:05 PM »

I wonder if D.C. would also get another Electoral Vote if Utah received one.
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2005, 10:33:18 PM »

I would support this.
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2005, 10:51:05 AM »

I wonder if D.C. would also get another Electoral Vote if Utah received one.
No. Why? (In case you're wondering, Utah isn't a random pick here. If the House be enlarged by one, the extra seat would numerically go to Utah.)
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2005, 12:18:15 PM »

I wonder if D.C. would also get another Electoral Vote if Utah received one.

No it would not, DC gets 3 EV as deteremined by the XXIII amendment to the Constitution,  an Act of Congress csn not chage that.  Of course since DC is not a state it has had the privilege of getting 3 EV even though based on its population, it should only get one.

I favor allowing DC residents to vote for MD Senators, a Congressman, and to vote with MD for President, (as they once did in the early 1800s), and repealing the XXIII amendment.  That way DC would get full represenation, get one Congressional seat in MD and thus they would not have any justification for having 3 EV under the XXIII.

Of course this would be a net + 3 EV for Republicans (Republicans +1 in Utah, Democrats -3 inDC, but +1 in MD),
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2005, 02:58:27 PM »
« Edited: November 24, 2005, 03:13:37 PM by Jesus »

I generally oppose the idea of DC statehood, but I highly doubt Maryland or Virginia would like to take in DC, so statehood should be explored as an option.

DC+Maryland vote

1,537,463 Kerry (58.81)
1,045,959 Bush (40.01)
30,842 other (1.18)
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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2005, 06:50:31 PM »

Congress cannot just give the District of Columbia a representative by passing a law. Such an action requires a constitutional amendment.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2005, 10:07:45 PM »

One, the bill is obviously unconstitutional.

Two, anyone who thinks DC should get two senators should be shot.

I agree that constitutionally DC needs either statehood or a constitutional amendment to get representation. That being said, I would support either option so that residents of the district can get representation. I can tell that A18 is scared of two extra dem senators or else he wouldn't want to shoot me.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2005, 10:18:42 PM »

One, the bill is obviously unconstitutional.

Two, anyone who thinks DC should get two senators should be shot.

I agree that constitutionally DC needs either statehood or a constitutional amendment to get representation. That being said, I would support either option so that residents of the district can get representation. I can tell that A18 is scared of two extra dem senators or else he wouldn't want to shoot me.

I would support Senatorial representation for DC as long as there was a system whereby the winners of the Republican and Democratic primaries both became Senators Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2005, 10:30:01 PM »

One, the bill is obviously unconstitutional.

Two, anyone who thinks DC should get two senators should be shot.

I agree that constitutionally DC needs either statehood or a constitutional amendment to get representation. That being said, I would support either option so that residents of the district can get representation. I can tell that A18 is scared of two extra dem senators or else he wouldn't want to shoot me.

I can tell you're a partisan joke or you wouldn't support giving two senators to a friggin' dysfunctional city.

How about Virginia Beach statehood? Give DC back to Maryland.
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2005, 12:31:31 AM »

Just for the record, more people (as of the 2000 Census and 2004 estimates) lived in the District of Columbia than Wyoming, although the has been narrowing since the 1950 census.  As of the 2000 Census, D.C. had a population of 572,059 while Wyoming had a population of 493,782.  According to 2004 estimates from the Census Bureau's web site (  ), however, Wyoming's population had grown to 506,529 while the District's population had dropped to 553,523.  Those estimates were of the population on January 10, 2004 while the official date of at least the 2000 Census and I believe every U.S. census is sometime in April, so the time from the 2000 Census to the 2004 estimates makes up about 37.5% of the time from the 2000 to 2010 Censuses.  Making the (obviously incorrect but still useful) assumption that both D.C. and Wyoming will have the same rate of population growth (negative in D.C's case) from January 2004 to April 2010 as from April 2000 to January 2004, Wyoming's resident population as of the 2010 Census will have grown to (rounded to the nearest person) 542,153 while D.C.'s population will have dropped to 523,955.  Okay, I've gone on way to long here, but, for now, there is one state with fewer people than the District of Columbia that has two U.S. Senators, one voting U.S. Representative and three electoral votes.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2005, 12:45:03 AM »

DC also cannot function as a state.
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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2005, 02:04:51 AM »

One, the bill is obviously unconstitutional.

Two, anyone who thinks DC should get two senators should be shot.

I agree that constitutionally DC needs either statehood or a constitutional amendment to get representation. That being said, I would support either option so that residents of the district can get representation. I can tell that A18 is scared of two extra dem senators or else he wouldn't want to shoot me.

I can tell you're a partisan joke or you wouldn't support giving two senators to a friggin' dysfunctional city.

How about Virginia Beach statehood? Give DC back to Maryland.

I don't think Maryland is crazy enough to annex a friggin' dysfunctional city.
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2005, 05:43:04 AM »

It would be a funny irony if Utah was given an extra congressional seat, and a Democrat won it.  It's not like it's impossible.
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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2005, 05:49:12 AM »

It would be a funny irony if Utah was given an extra congressional seat, and a Democrat won it.  It's not like it's impossible.

Our best candidate would probably be his brother, but it's probably hopeless. He got 41% in the governor race.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G04/UT.phtml
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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2005, 05:59:23 AM »

I've just discovered something else.  D.C. has been electing 'shadow senators' since the early '80s in anticipation of getting actual Senate representation.

The current shadow senators are Paul Strauss and Florence Pendleton (no website).
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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2005, 10:46:28 AM »

Just for the record, more people (as of the 2000 Census and 2004 estimates) lived in the District of Columbia than Wyoming, although the has been narrowing since the 1950 census.  As of the 2000 Census, D.C. had a population of 572,059 while Wyoming had a population of 493,782.  According to 2004 estimates from the Census Bureau's web site (  ), however, Wyoming's population had grown to 506,529 while the District's population had dropped to 553,523.  Those estimates were of the population on January 10, 2004 while the official date of at least the 2000 Census and I believe every U.S. census is sometime in April, so the time from the 2000 Census to the 2004 estimates makes up about 37.5% of the time from the 2000 to 2010 Censuses.  Making the (obviously incorrect but still useful) assumption that both D.C. and Wyoming will have the same rate of population growth (negative in D.C's case) from January 2004 to April 2010 as from April 2000 to January 2004, Wyoming's resident population as of the 2010 Census will have grown to (rounded to the nearest person) 542,153 while D.C.'s population will have dropped to 523,955.  Okay, I've gone on way to long here, but, for now, there is one state with fewer people than the District of Columbia that has two U.S. Senators, one voting U.S. Representative and three electoral votes.
At the time the XXIII was passed, DC would have been entitled to four EVs if it had been a state.
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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2005, 04:04:12 PM »

One, the bill is obviously unconstitutional.

Exactly how is it unconstitutional?  What clause do you believe it violates?

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It has a larger population than Wyoming.  So I'm okay with denying DC Senators as long as we remove the Senators from Wyoming...
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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2005, 05:46:27 PM »

Article I, Section 2: "The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several states..."
Article I, Section 3: "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state..." Either an amendment or statehood would be a required for DC representation.
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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2005, 09:18:32 PM »

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See above.

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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2005, 09:23:08 PM »

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Wyoming gave us Dick Cheney.  I rest my case.
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« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2005, 02:19:15 AM »

I've just discovered something else.  D.C. has been electing 'shadow senators' since the early '80s in anticipation of getting actual Senate representation.

The current shadow senators are Paul Strauss and Florence Pendleton (no website).

Hahaha, reminds me of what they do in Alberta. (they elect "shadow senators" as well in hopes the PM will appoint them instead of patronage)
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