LC 2.18 End of Public Affirmative Action in Lincoln (Final Vote)

[Former President tack50]

End of Public Affirmative Action in Lincoln

I. Any Publicly funded college or university in the region of Lincoln is hereby banned from using race as a factor in admissions in any form whatsoever.
II. Failure to abide by this law shall result in jail time and fines for university officials involved and funding cuts to universities that fail to abide to this law.
III: A publicly funded university shall be defined as one where at least 20% of funding for the university comes from the government.
IV. Private Universities shall not be affected by this law.

Sponsor: lfromnj

Debate time for this bill has started and shall last for no less than 72 hours

[lfromnj]

I believe its important to end any state sponsored discrimination of any type which includes Affirmative action.  I hope my fellow Councillors see the point of ending this blatantly racist practice. Public Colleges would still be allowed to consider economic backgrounds when considering admissions. This bill will still allow private colleges to continue this racist concept.

[Former President tack50]

While I am not a fan of affirmative action by any means, I have to say jail time for universities that don't follow this is an extremely harsh punishment!

[lfromnj]

While I am not a fan of affirmative action by any means, I have to say jail time for universities that don't follow this is an extremely harsh punishment!

A scenario where discrimination is applied publicly could ruin another person's life permanently. I still wanted to debate the specific punishment here.

[S019]

Jail time is a big excessive, maybe fines would be a better idea, or threatening court action


Also if you are going to suggest jail time, you should mention a range (ie two weeks, two months, 30 days, one year, etc.)


Also I support this bill, affirmative action does not benefit all minorities, as it should, and we need to rethink the idea of affirmative action

[lfromnj]

Jail time is a big excessive, maybe fines would be a better idea, or threatening court action


Also if you are going to suggest jail time, you should mention a range (ie two weeks, two months, 30 days, one year, etc.)


Also I support this bill, affirmative action does need to benefit all minorities, as it should, and we need to rethink the idea of affirmative action

I would rather punish the individuals involved rather than the university overall because punishing the university just punishes the public.

Also Affirmative action shouldn't benefit anybody from a racial perspective due to how absurd it is. A Hmong refugee from Cambodia in inner city NYC has an easier life than A Nigerian suburban immigrant in Bergen county NJ.

[lfromnj]

While I am not a fan of affirmative action by any means, I have to say jail time for universities that don't follow this is an extremely harsh punishment!

A scenario where discrimination is applied publicly could ruin another person's life permanently. I still wanted to debate the specific punishment here.

I'm not opposed to jail time tbh - affirmative action is that evil a practice. If it would improve the chances of passage, maybe a lifetime ban from employment in any public schools?

Also, does this affirmative action ban need to extend to K-12? What is the current law in place?

NYC magnet schools like Stuyvesant have a direct admit test and its heavily Asian but people like De Blasio wants affirmative action there.

[lfromnj]

End of Public Affirmative Action in Lincoln

I. Any Publicly funded college or university in the region of Lincoln is hereby banned from using race as a factor in admissions in any form whatsoever.
II. Failure to abide by this law shall result in jail time not exceeding 1 year or fine not exceeding $100,000 for any individuals involved in racial discrimination in college admissions. If the university as a whole is involved the judgement and fine will be determined by the courts. The money in this fine from the university will be deducted from the next year's budget.
III: A publicly funded university shall be defined as one where at least 20% of funding for the university comes from the government.
IV. Private Universities shall not be affected by this law.

Small amendment to specify the punishment.

[Former President tack50]

Amendment L 2:50 by lfromnj to LC 2.18 End of Public Affirmative Action in Lincoln

End of Public Affirmative Action in Lincoln

I. Any Publicly funded college or university in the region of Lincoln is hereby banned from using race as a factor in admissions in any form whatsoever.
II. Failure to abide by this law shall result in jail time not exceeding 1 year or fine not exceeding $100,000 for any individuals involved in racial discrimination in college admissions. If the university as a whole is involved the judgement and fine will be determined by the courts. The money in this fine from the university will be deducted from the next year's budget.
III: A publicly funded university shall be defined as one where at least 20% of funding for the university comes from the government.
IV. Private Universities shall not be affected by this law.

Sponsor feedback: Origination
Status: 24 hours to object, otherwise added to the bill

[Former President tack50]

With no objections, the above amendment is adopted

[Former President tack50]

I present the following amendment, mostly to get rid of the jail punishment.

Amendment L 2:52 by tack50 to LC 2.18 End of Public Affirmative Action in Lincoln

End of Public Affirmative Action in Lincoln

I. Any Publicly funded college or university in the region of Lincoln is hereby banned from using race as a factor in admissions in any form whatsoever.
II. Failure to abide by this law shall result in jail time not exceeding 1 year or a fine not exceeding $100,000 $25000 for any individuals involved in racial discrimination in college admissions. If the university as a whole is involved the judgement and fine will be determined by the courts. The money in this fine from the university will be deducted from the next year's budget.
III: A publicly funded university shall be defined as one where at least 20% of funding for the university comes from the government.
IV. Private Universities shall not be affected by this law.

Sponsor feedback: 24 hours to specify, otherwise assumed unfriendly
Status: 24 hours to object, otherwise added to the bill

[lfromnj]

Friendly for sake of passing

[Former President tack50]

With no objections, the above amendment is approved

[Former President tack50]

This bill should be straightforward enough.

I motion for a final vote, 24 hours to object

[Former President tack50]

Councillors, a FINAL vote is now open on the following legislation

End of Public Affirmative Action in Lincoln

I. Any Publicly funded college or university in the region of Lincoln is hereby banned from using race as a factor in admissions in any form whatsoever.
II. Failure to abide by this law shall result a fine not exceeding $25000 for any individuals involved in racial discrimination in college admissions. If the university as a whole is involved the judgement and fine will be determined by the courts. The money in this fine from the university will be deducted from the next year's budget.
III: A publicly funded university shall be defined as one where at least 20% of funding for the university comes from the government.
IV. Private Universities shall not be affected by this law.

Please vote AYE, NAY or Abstain
This vote shall last for 48 hours or until all Councillors have voted

[Dipper Josh]

Nay

[lfromnj]

Aye. I mean I basically made this bill but as I stated affirmative action is generally a racist idea. I do believe private colleges can do it but the state should never be sponsoring this.

[Pyro]

Nay.

[lfromnj]

Disappointing that some of Lincoln's Councilers can't even explain their final vote on this after failing to engage in any debate. Then again all they are told to do is how to vote by their party leaders so they don't get recalled.

[Former President tack50]

After some thinking,

Aye

Affirmative action is overall a bad idea. We should treat all people equally, regardless of their skin colour, gender, age, wealth or other considerations; and that of course extends to college admission.

That does not mean that some groups don't have a harder time than others because of their race, but affirmative action is not the appropiate solution to said problem.

[S019]

Aye


The current affirmative action system is deeply flawed, any true affirmative action, should benefit all minorites. Sadly, the current AA system, actually disadvantages some minorites, ultimately, if AA cannot do the one thing, that it is designed to do, there is no use it for keeping it.

[Adam Griffin]

Nay.

College enrollment should be just as much about future outcomes/potential as past performance; affirmative action enrollees as a whole have higher graduation rates and higher per capita incomes than enrollees at-large. Coupled with the fact that the racial disparity between organic admissions and that made possible by affirmative action remains one of the largest of any institution or situation, it's obvious that the situation AA has sought to address has not yet been accomplished fully.

[lfromnj]

Nay.

College enrollment should be just as much about future outcomes/potential as past performance; affirmative action enrollees as a whole have higher graduation rates and higher per capita incomes than enrollees at-large. Coupled with the fact that the racial disparity between organic admissions and that made possible by affirmative action remains one of the largest of any institution or situation, it's obvious that the situation AA has sought to address has not yet been accomplished fully.

Source?

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3699572?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents



If anything if you had such a problem with this bill you should bring up these concerns before the final vote. I can understand with your busy schedule.

[Former President tack50]

The FINAL vote on LC 2.18 End of Public Affirmative Action in Lincoln is now closed

Aye: 4 (thr33, lfromnj, tack50, SNJC)
Abstain: 0
Nay: 3 (Dipper Josh, Pyro, Griffin)
Not voting: 1 (Zaybay)

So this bill passes

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Cough cough, the Governor forgot to sign/veto this.