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« on: June 02, 2019, 03:39:37 PM »

Afewerki is certainly doing his best to claim the title.
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2019, 04:36:57 PM »

Afewerki is certainly doing his best to claim the title.

Eritrea was the first country to come to mind when I saw this thread title, yeah. Conscripting people for indefinite periods of time and literally never having held a national election, even an electoral-type-event, really make it "pop" among the world's tinpot dictatorships.
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2019, 05:03:56 PM »

Eritrea & Venezuela.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2019, 05:20:35 PM »

China's social credit system is making it gain points in this category.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2019, 06:03:12 PM »


Venezuela is of course awful, but not even close to some others.

Certain ex-Soviet republics, for example.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2019, 06:11:52 PM »

Turkmenistan easily
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2019, 06:14:32 PM »

Saudi Arabia?
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2019, 07:04:03 PM »

Saudi Arabia.
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2019, 07:15:10 PM »

Herding the Uighurs into concentration camps basically gives this to China in a rout.
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2019, 07:36:03 PM »

Herding the Uighurs into concentration camps basically gives this to China in a rout.

You're saying that one thing - putting people in camps  based on their ethnicity - is enough to win a nation "more repressive in the world (other than North Korea)"? You may want to re-think that. (For the record, the US, even under Trumpy the wanna-be dictator and his party, is far better than China, and China in turn is far from the worst.)
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2019, 07:58:41 PM »

Probably the horrible reactionary parents who won't let their teenagers have casual sex.
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2019, 08:02:00 PM »

Herding the Uighurs into concentration camps basically gives this to China in a rout.

You're saying that one thing - putting people in camps  based on their ethnicity - is enough to win a nation "more repressive in the world (other than North Korea)"? You may want to re-think that. (For the record, the US, even under Trumpy the wanna-be dictator and his party, is far better than China, and China in turn is far from the worst.)

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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2019, 08:36:59 PM »

In all seriousness, China might be more modern and have many of the trappings of a free society than most of the other candidates, but they've industrialized oppression in bizarre and horrific ways. The Uighur camps, the mass executions of prisoners and dissidents for the purpose of harvesting and selling their organs, the social credit system and aggressive encouragement of reporting on their fellow citizens...I find it hard to find another non-NK regime that's worse.
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2019, 09:08:56 PM »

Saudi Arabia takes this one.

China is definitely climbing the list quite rapidly, but at least they won't chop you up like a cucumber for kissing a member of your own sex.
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2019, 09:13:16 PM »

Equatorial Guinea is up there among countries not yet mentioned
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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2019, 09:33:28 PM »

Assad bombs civilian centers literally every day, specifically to make the opposition as radicalized as possible so he can build legitimacy to keep fighting them. Hard to beat that.
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2019, 10:24:56 PM »

Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Eritrea, Equatorial Guinea, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, Belarus, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, China
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2019, 10:36:21 PM »

Assad bombs civilian centers literally every day, specifically to make the opposition as radicalized as possible so he can build legitimacy to keep fighting them. Hard to beat that.

I think both Syria and Venezuela are odd cases because of how chaotic they are. The government simply isn't in firm enough control to qualify. They're horror shows of a different breed.
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2019, 03:53:42 AM »

Seriously, guys, Turkmenistan receives too little attention from international community. Country is kinda useless and boring, but in terms of repressive regime it is on par with North Korea - someone argues that it's even more restrict.

Also local dictator films bizarre videos about himself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZj0KNcuJF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H8UiepsF_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TJgKBPNfF8
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2019, 04:20:17 AM »

Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Eritrea, Equatorial Guinea, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, Belarus, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, China

Uzbekistan? Or has it got slightly better since Karimov died??

And putting in Russia/Cuba/Venezuela/Belarus just shows your (cold war?) ideological bias tbh, all are highly bad but none are systematically totalitarian like some others in your list. Despite the mullahs, there is quite a vigorous civil society in Iran as well.

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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2019, 06:07:04 AM »

Assad bombs civilian centers literally every day, specifically to make the opposition as radicalized as possible so he can build legitimacy to keep fighting them. Hard to beat that.

I think both Syria and Venezuela are odd cases because of how chaotic they are. The government simply isn't in firm enough control to qualify. They're horror shows of a different breed.

Yeah, was gonna say this. Venezuela's main problem isn't how repressive their regime is but how incompetent it is in managing society.

Eritrea, China and Saudi Arabia all sound like decent choices to me for reasons already mentioned. I have a vague feeling about the Central Asian countries brought up but am not updated enough about them to be sure there.
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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2019, 06:18:29 AM »

The PRC for the sheer numbers of humans repressed.  It might not be the worst to an individual, but for the total number of individuals getting screwed over by the state, the PRC are all time champions.
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2019, 07:05:09 AM »

The question is not which regime is the bloodiest or which repressed more people (given that China has well over one billion people, it would be hard to beat for purely statistical reason). The question is which regime is overall most opressive toward its citizens, which naturally puts North Korea at the top and Eritrea is the closest you've got to this.
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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2019, 09:11:10 AM »

Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Eritrea, Equatorial Guinea, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, Belarus, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, China

Uzbekistan? Or has it got slightly better since Karimov died??

And putting in Russia/Cuba/Venezuela/Belarus just shows your (cold war?) ideological bias tbh, all are highly bad but none are systematically totalitarian like some others in your list. Despite the mullahs, there is quite a vigorous civil society in Iran as well.



Uzbekistan hasnt been as bad under Mirizyoyev(?). Karimov was basically Turkmenbashi without the cult. Central Asia never really shook off Stalin. But We'll see what happens in Kazakhstan this week
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2019, 02:34:18 PM »

Eritrea, Equatorial Guinea, Saudi Arabia, Turkmenistan.

And Syria, of course, unless you are a proven loyalist.
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