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« Reply #500 on: March 13, 2021, 02:48:24 PM »

Yeah I'm sorry. I agree with your point about the nursing home scandal, but there were plenty on the left who were critical about that as well. They were just silence by the corporate machine that is the central party. Also the Dems at least really cracked down on sexual harassment allegations, and Republicans literally denounced Trump for saying that he assaulted people on camera but then did nothing about it--not to mention the myriad other scandals. It is a low bar, but one of the reasons I still am a Democrat despite hating them is that the GOP can't even get over that (or off the ground and out of the gutter).

Except the Republicans never claimed to be the party of #MeToo, nor have their supposed virtues been paraded by a Pravda-esque media campaign for the past few years. A crooked politician being accused of sexual harassment is one thing, a crooked politician who was repeatedly pushed as a presidential contender because of his medical management running for the Party of Women's Rights being accused of the same (after months of cover ups of his medical failures) is something else entirely.

If anything Republican voters have demonstrated way more willingness to punish their own when it actually counts. In 2018 when control of the Senate was at stake enough Republicans in Alabama decided to not show up to give the seat to Doug Jones, whereas Menendez in New Jersey won by the sort of margin any regular Democrat would win by. There are literally zero examples of Democrats holding their own accountable when it carries actual political risk. To be clear I despise Republican politicians but when they said Democrats would never hold themselves to the standard they applied to Kavanaugh they were absolutely right.

If this was Ron DeSantis nothing would be happening at this point, and the women accusers would be ignored. And please don't bring up Eric Greitens. He literally documented his rape and then lied about it to law enforcement. He wasn't forced out by his party, but the justice system lol

If this was Ron DeSantis there would have been months of headlines along the lines of "DEATHSANTIS COVERS UP NURSING HOME DEATH TOLL, FLORIDA NURSING HOMES OVERRUN WITH CORPSES and DeSantis would have a 10% approval rating plus multiple primary challengers. Then the sexual harassment allegations would come up and DeSantis would be imprisoned for a very long time, not be advised that he should probably resign. His worst case scenario wouldn't see him retiring with a small fortune, a huge political legacy and a future of fruit painting but being literally dragged to prison in handcuffs.

Media outlets glamourized a literal crazy person to promote conspiracy theories about Florida's COVID performance at the same time they were ignoring Cuomo's actual scandals. If they had anything real to work with they undoubtedly wouldn't have waited until after Biden was safely inaugurated to start running stories.
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« Reply #501 on: March 13, 2021, 02:51:28 PM »

Jeffries' weak statement doesn't seem like the sort of impression you want to create when you're looking to run for Speaker. There are no plaudits to be gained for holding on to a sinking ship.
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« Reply #502 on: March 13, 2021, 03:01:25 PM »

How does Cuomo survive the impeachment trial in the senate?

Switch party registration to Republican. Cut a deal with Trump to rally Republican support for him in exchange for a pardon. Then call in every last favor he has with NY Senate Democrats to get them to vote not to convict. I'm assuming he knows where the bodies are buried and can blackmail/intimidate/whatever a few people to vote in his favor.

How could Trump pardon him?

Cuomo would be the one pardoning Trump for state-level charges.
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« Reply #503 on: March 13, 2021, 03:07:16 PM »

At this point, Cuomo could go the route of Blago: Get impeached and later to prison. If I remember correctly, Blago was even convicted unanimously by the Illinois senate.
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« Reply #504 on: March 13, 2021, 03:14:41 PM »

How does Cuomo survive the impeachment trial in the senate?

Switch party registration to Republican. Cut a deal with Trump to rally Republican support for him in exchange for a pardon. Then call in every last favor he has with NY Senate Democrats to get them to vote not to convict. I'm assuming he knows where the bodies are buried and can blackmail/intimidate/whatever a few people to vote in his favor.

This entire idea is nonsense.

1. The only thing keeping Cuomo barely afloat right now are the partisan Democrats that choose to look the other way no matter what he does because of the D next to his name. The Republicans aren't just gonna suddenly embrace the guy that they've despised for the past decade just because he suddenly swapped to being a Republican.

2. Why would the Republicans even want Cuomo? The guy likely won't be able to win the GOP primary nor the general in 2022, and he can't really block much legislation since the Democrats have a supermajority in both chambers. They'd be taking in a man they despise and someone who's got numerous counts of sexual harassment...for little/no gain.

3. If Cuomo is switching to the Republican party, why would any senate Democrat, even those that are currently his staunchest allies, stick by him? He'd basically be stabbing the party in the back and then asking said party to bail him out. If anything, switching his affiliation would make his impeachment/conviction assured.

4. Riiiiight, the blackmail strategy has totally worked for Cuomo so far during this scandal and hasn't just caused things to get even worse. /s
Normally when you try to blackmail someone, you need to have some form of leverage over them. Before this all occurred, he had a ton of leverage. He was the popular governor of NY, the guy that no one could touch, and if you wanted to get anywhere in the state's politics, you had to talk to him. Now, he's the guy who Democrats and Republicans across the US are calling to resign including almost the entire NY delegation (which houses some of his staunchest allies). This man has absolutely no leverage, which has become apparent as absolutely no one has been taking his threats seriously and have just been leaking them to the press or talking about them outright, which only serves to damage Cuomo even more.

Perhaps there is a way for Cuomo to weasel his way out of this, but this isn't it.


Trump can take care of 1, he can go on TV and proclaim that Andrew Cuomo has been his buddy for a long time, a fighter up against the Democratic "cancel culture", and that he's on the right side now so Republicans should stand with him. This would be done in exchange for Cuomo pardoning Trump on NY state charges.

You're right on 2, this is a big weakness of this strategy, if Cuomo could stop legislation he could promise the Republicans to veto the coming Democratic NY gerrymander and get the national Republican Party on his side too.

On 3 and 4, if Cuomo gets the 20 Republican senators, he only needs 2 Democratic senators. Of course he wouldn't get them on merit. But NY is a machine politics state and I'm sure there are corpses and skeletons hidden all over the place. Illegal slush funds that lawmakers use to enrich themselves, ties with Jeffrey Epstein, that kind of thing. You and I don't know where they are, but Cuomo surely does, and with this info he could blackmail a few Democratic senators to vote to acquit. Mike Madigan ran IL for decades with this kind of manipulation.

If Cuomo attempted something like that he'd be run out of Albany faster than he get to a press conference.
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« Reply #505 on: March 13, 2021, 04:50:29 PM »

Right, Democrats have so much integrity that they'll probably punish their own, as long as those punished are politically weak and easily replaced by other Democrats. Otherwise they'll just stop talking about it, as was the case with Virginia's Gov. Blackface Klansman and his partner in crime, Lt. Gov Serial Rapist.

Who do you think this is fooling?

Listen, I hate the Democrats too, but this is an incredibly stupid false equivalency, especially because Northam would be easily replaced by a Democrat (unless you think the Republicans have any chance at the governor's mansion in 2021 if there's le horrible scandal, in which case lol). Anyone with half a brain knows the only reason Northam is still in office is because he'd be replaced by Fairfax who is probably a r*pist. If like Andy Beshear or Roy Cooper have similar allegations and the Democrats turn a blind eye (which, to be fair, I could maybe see happening if Beshear and Cooper were as terrible as Cuomo) then this would be a fair comparison, but as it stands it's nonsensical. Meanwhile, even if your assertion were the case, the Republicans would still be worse; after all, Trump would have been easily replaced by a Republican and yet the GOP maintained a cultlike devotion to him.

There are a myriad of legitimate ways to criticize the Democrats, but this isn't one of them.
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« Reply #506 on: March 13, 2021, 07:40:14 PM »

have any state senators/representatives explicitly said they will not vote to impeach him?
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« Reply #507 on: March 13, 2021, 10:52:34 PM »

have any state senators/representatives explicitly said they will not vote to impeach him?

as of yet no. The members of the lower house are called assembly members.
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« Reply #508 on: March 14, 2021, 12:35:47 AM »

At this point, Cuomo could go the route of Blago: Get impeached and later to prison. If I remember correctly, Blago was even convicted unanimously by the Illinois senate.
He was.
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« Reply #509 on: March 14, 2021, 10:28:14 AM »

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« Reply #510 on: March 14, 2021, 10:31:49 AM »

A heartless man should look into his heart. Sounds like a great idea.
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« Reply #511 on: March 14, 2021, 11:22:10 AM »



The same heart that told him it was ok to sexually harass multiple women?
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« Reply #512 on: March 14, 2021, 02:37:32 PM »



Except the Republicans never claimed to be the party of #MeToo, nor have their supposed virtues been paraded by a Pravda-esque media campaign for the past few years. A crooked politician being accused of sexual harassment is one thing, a crooked politician who was repeatedly pushed as a presidential contender because of his medical management running for the Party of Women's Rights being accused of the same (after months of cover ups of his medical failures) is something else entirely.

If anything Republican voters have demonstrated way more willingness to punish their own when it actually counts. In 2018 when control of the Senate was at stake enough Republicans in Alabama decided to not show up to give the seat to Doug Jones, whereas Menendez in New Jersey won by the sort of margin any regular Democrat would win by. There are literally zero examples of Democrats holding their own accountable when it carries actual political risk. To be clear I despise Republican politicians but when they said Democrats would never hold themselves to the standard they applied to Kavanaugh they were absolutely right.


I also dislike the Democrats but your point is factually wrong. Democrats booted Al Franken from the Senate for grabbing exactly one tit. Anthony Weiner was punished for cheating on his wife. And Republican voters punishing their own? Where do you get that from? Can you name an instance in which a GOP candidate lost a primary because of sexual assault allegations in recent memory? Greitens is about to be a Senator. Or what about Scott DesJarlais?

The idea that Democrats have less integrity than Republicans on issues like sexual abuse is laughable. Like you using Roy Moore as an example just proves my point! He almost won (and would've in a higher turnout election) and wasn't just accused of assault, but pedophilia.

And for the record, the point about what Cuomo did being bad isn't augmented by the presence of feminists in the Democratic Party, it's bad because it's universally bad lol. I would have a hard time thinking your problem with the Dems is anything more than tribal dislike if you're more offended more by "hypocrisy" than an abuse of power
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« Reply #513 on: March 14, 2021, 03:46:59 PM »



The same heart that told him it was ok to sexually harass multiple women?
More importantly, the same heart that told him it was OK to force nursing homes to take COVID-19 patients and then cover up all the deaths of old people that he caused?
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« Reply #514 on: March 14, 2021, 05:14:08 PM »



The same heart that told him it was ok to sexually harass multiple women?
More importantly, the same heart that told him it was OK to force nursing homes to take COVID-19 patients and then cover up all the deaths of old people that he caused?
The same heart that told him it was OK to cut corrupt deals with everyone in Albany, have them investigated, and then dissolve the Moreland Commission when it came looking his way?
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« Reply #515 on: March 14, 2021, 08:08:57 PM »

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« Reply #516 on: March 14, 2021, 08:39:49 PM »




Not a reliable source in the slightest, but it doesn't surprise me to hear elsewhere that the staff is jumping ship
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« Reply #517 on: March 14, 2021, 09:23:27 PM »




Not a reliable source in the slightest, but it doesn't surprise me to hear elsewhere that the staff is jumping ship

Here's a reliable source: https://news.yahoo.com/cuomos-offices-deserted-staffers-stop-142710438.html
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« Reply #518 on: March 14, 2021, 09:30:05 PM »




Not a reliable source in the slightest, but it doesn't surprise me to hear elsewhere that the staff is jumping ship

Here's a reliable source: https://news.yahoo.com/cuomos-offices-deserted-staffers-stop-142710438.html

Yeah NYP is biased but if Yahoo picks your dirt up you're probably screwed
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« Reply #519 on: March 14, 2021, 09:56:56 PM »



Reminds me of when Sanford just dipped without telling anyone to go to his mistress in Argentina
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« Reply #520 on: March 14, 2021, 10:10:46 PM »

Unlike Northam, most of Cuomo's problems happend while he is in office compared to whatever somebody did in the 80s. Also Cuomo has multiple problems instead of just one.
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« Reply #521 on: March 15, 2021, 12:14:49 AM »



Reminds me of when Sanford just dipped without telling anyone to go to his mistress in Argentina

Lucky for Cuomo that he's single.
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« Reply #522 on: March 15, 2021, 12:16:18 AM »

Unlike Northam, most of Cuomo's problems happend while he is in office compared to whatever somebody did in the 80s. Also Cuomo has multiple problems instead of just one.

Killing thousands of seniors in nursing homes and covering it up, or wearing blackface in college one time. Gee, I wonder which one is worse.
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« Reply #523 on: March 15, 2021, 12:50:34 AM »

Unlike Northam, most of Cuomo's problems happend while he is in office compared to whatever somebody did in the 80s. Also Cuomo has multiple problems instead of just one.

Killing thousands of seniors in nursing homes and covering it up, or wearing blackface in college one time. Gee, I wonder which one is worse.

Yea these guys haven’t been comparable from day 1 of Cuomo’s mess.
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« Reply #524 on: March 15, 2021, 05:18:09 PM »

Accuser Charlotte Bennett talked to investigators for four hours, said Cuomo was obssessed with discussing his large hand size and what it meant.

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A woman who has accused New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo of sexual harassment told investigators Monday that he was preoccupied with talking to subordinates about his “hand size” and “what the large size of his hands indicated,” her lawyer revealed.

The accuser, former Cuomo aide Charlotte Bennett, spent four hours talking via Zoom teleconference software to investigators conducting a probe of claims by her and several other women that the Democrat sexually harassed them, or otherwise made inappropriate comments and physical contact.

The investigation is being overseen by state Attorney General Letitia James.

Bennett, 25, “detailed her allegations of sexual harassment and provided the investigators with more than 120 pages of contemporaneous records, as well as other examples of documentary evidence, to corroborate her accusations against Gov. Cuomo and his senior staff,” her lawyer Debra Katz said in a statement.

Katz said that Bennett gave the investigators “detailed information about the sexually hostile work environment the Governor fostered in both his Manhattan and Albany offices and his deliberate effort to create rivalries and tension among female staffers on whom he bestowed attention.”

“One piece of new information that came to light today was the Governor’s preoccupation with his hand size and what the large size of his hands indicated to Charlotte and other members of his staff,” Katz said.

The lawyer said the investigators “have been moving quickly, and with sensitivity, to get to the heart of these allegations.”

“We remain confident that their investigation will substantiate Charlotte’s claims of sexual harassment against Gov. Cuomo, as well as the failure of his senior staff to meet their mandatory reporting requirements under the very laws he signed,” Katz said.

She also said that “it is imperative” that the probe focus not only on Cuomo’s conduct toward women, “but also on the culture of fear, abuse and secrecy that he and his most senior staff cultivated. ”

“To that end, we have full confidence in the investigation and the investigators.  We urge others who have been subjected to inappropriate conduct by the Governor – and we know you are out there – to come forward with what you experienced,” Katz said. “And to those who observed the behavior, we urge you to do the same.”
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