NY-15 2020 megathread: Diaz Sr!

[Suburbia]

Minorities are socially conservative (Hikind, Diaz, Felder, Marcia Fudge in Ohio) but the GOP is too white for them.

[andjey]

For his (Ruben Diaz's) socially conservatism and economically liberalism I massive support Ruben Diaz Sr. for this seat in 2020

[Abolish ICE]

I don't like Diaz but I hope he wins. Diversity of ideas is important.

Well, i usually apply "fit the district" criterion for races.. Somewhere in Deep South i could find such candidate natural and even desirable, supposedly being "the only one, who can win and hold such district". But- i doubt this is the case in NY-15.....

Yes, which is why public-option advocate Jay Rockefeller deserved to be re-elected over and over again in culturally conservative West Virginia

If Rockefeller deserves to represent WV, Diaz Sr. deserves to represent NY-15

Conservatives don't deserve election anywhere.

Even in conservative districts? Idiocy, plain and simple...

Why do you get to decide who deserves to represent conservative districts and not the voters?  Idiocy, plain and simple...

[Cowboys for Christ]

For his (Ruben Diaz's) socially conservatism and economically liberalism I massive support Ruben Diaz Sr. for this seat in 2020

Other than trolling, what kind of benefit is there to him being "socially conservative"? His defense of sexual harassers and hate of the big gay doesn't seem like something commendable or positive to society.

[Zaybay]

Reading this thread, I cant really tell if we are talking about a candidate for TN's Extremely Republican 1st Congressional District, or a candidate for New York's 15th district, considered to be THE MOST Democratic district in the country, whose previous representative was the famed Progressive Jose Serrano.

Anyway, whats already been said about him has already been said. Hes a terrible Democrat-and a rather terrible human being as well- who seems to only be cheered on by Conservative Posters.

[smoltchanov]

I don't like Diaz but I hope he wins. Diversity of ideas is important.

Well, i usually apply "fit the district" criterion for races.. Somewhere in Deep South i could find such candidate natural and even desirable, supposedly being "the only one, who can win and hold such district". But- i doubt this is the case in NY-15.....

Yes, which is why public-option advocate Jay Rockefeller deserved to be re-elected over and over again in culturally conservative West Virginia

If Rockefeller deserves to represent WV, Diaz Sr. deserves to represent NY-15

Conservatives don't deserve election anywhere.

Even in conservative districts? Idiocy, plain and simple...

Why do you get to decide who deserves to represent conservative districts and not the voters?  Idiocy, plain and simple...

It's not me, it's voters, who will decide. And i believe more in THEIR sanity, than yours and your like.... Small advice - don't be a parrot....

[smoltchanov]

Reading this thread, I cant really tell if we are talking about a candidate for TN's Extremely Republican 1st Congressional District, or a candidate for New York's 15th district, considered to be THE MOST Democratic district in the country, whose previous representative was the famed Progressive Jose Serrano.

Anyway, whats already been said about him has already been said. Hes a terrible Democrat-and a rather terrible human being as well- who seems to only be cheered on by Conservative Posters.

Don't conservative posters have a right to cheer him at least as much as liberals cheer no less odious persons like Tlaib or Omar? After all - Diaz is no more bigot then they are... Right-wing bigotry is no better, but - no worse, then left-wing after all... God, how i hate "political correctness"!!!! (a modern form of hypocrisy)))))

[TWTown]

Ritchie Torres will win.

[Zaybay]

Ritchie Torres will win.

[Arson Plus]

What about Michael Blake?

[smoltchanov]

The more candidates running here - the better for Diaz. He has a clearly defined and unique "social conservative" niche. The more standard liberal "territory" is split - the better for his chances. Whether that will be enough - another question...

[Badger]

So, the guy is a complete dick whose only cheerleaders here are people who are right-wingers from cells and of course the modern Heroes who phonetically support anybody who is decidedly more liberal than your typical Republican or conservative than your typical Democrat, because reasons. Color me unimpressed.

Diaz has a chance in a seriously split primary, and even then I'd say he's the underdog.

[smoltchanov]

So, the guy is a complete dick whose only cheerleaders here are people who are right-wingers from cells and of course the modern Heroes who phonetically support anybody who is decidedly more liberal than your typical Republican or conservative than your typical Democrat, because reasons. Color me unimpressed.

Diaz has a chance in a seriously split primary, and even then I'd say he's the underdog.

You are entitled to your opinion, Sir (just as i entitiled to my). We will see, whether your predictions come true, or not.... Anything else? Preferrably - about NY-15, as i am forced to repeat: your (and anybody's else) opinion about myself, for example, is of no interest to me (as i said many times - i don't care)... Let's return to the subject of the thread...

[coloradocowboi]

I don't like Diaz but I hope he wins. Diversity of ideas is important.

Well, i usually apply "fit the district" criterion for races.. Somewhere in Deep South i could find such candidate natural and even desirable, supposedly being "the only one, who can win and hold such district". But- i doubt this is the case in NY-15.....

Yes, which is why public-option advocate Jay Rockefeller deserved to be re-elected over and over again in culturally conservative West Virginia

If Rockefeller deserves to represent WV, Diaz Sr. deserves to represent NY-15

Conservatives don't deserve election anywhere.

Even in conservative districts? Idiocy, plain and simple...

Why do you get to decide who deserves to represent conservative districts and not the voters?  Idiocy, plain and simple...

It's not me, it's voters, who will decide. And i believe more in THEIR sanity, than yours and your like.... Small advice - don't be a parrot....

When you claim someone doesn't deserve to represent a type of district, you're implying you know better than the voters.  And they don't always vote in accordance with your "sanity."  Small advice...develop some self-awareness.

I don't like Diaz but I hope he wins. Diversity of ideas is important.

Diversity of bigotry most certainly isn’t important; and Diaz’s ‘views’ have no place in the Democratic Party.

Why do you decide for WHOLE party? There are very different people with VERY different views in it. After all - who gave you such right??? He could be winning candidate in Louisiana, Mississippi or Alabama. But - in NY-15???

You literally sound like a segregationist in 1955.

In 1955 in the South i could easily be one.. Man, white, straight, and so on. If i would be raised there - 99% probability... Not now, and surely - not where i live, but then and there - quite possibly... And now i am an dispassionate observer living in another country, for whom (as i already explained) US elections are simply a big game. And for game to be interesting  - it must be unpredictable, with candidates of different sort in all parties. When 99% of party candidates are as similar ideologically as Tweedledee and Tweedledum - there is no interest at all. And game becomes very boring and stale... That's why i like BOTH conservative Democrats and moderate (at least) Republicans - both go AGAINST standard "norms" of their parties, and thus - add intrigue and interest to the above mentioned game.

So you basically approach politics like a sociopath?  Good to know.

Not at all. I follow the law)) But, as i said, i don't like boring life))Game must be interesting... For this it must be unpredictable and non-boring...

Except it's not a game, that was kind of the point.  Elections actually have consequences and when people are elected who support bad policies, innocent people get hurt (often needlessly).  If you approach it as "this all simply exists for my amusement, consequences be d***ed," then sure, what you say makes sense.  But that's a pretty messed up way to look at elections, be they in one's own country or a foreign country.  There is a lot more at stake than your amusement and it's better to have a "boring" outcome that accomplishes the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of people than it is to have an "exciting" outcome that leads to bad policies.

For you - may be. Not for me, especially when results have little influence on my own life. So - it remains a game for ME... Other people may (and must) care for themselves... I care about my (and my family and friends) interests))) But it's offtopic...

Hence, my observation that you approach American politics like a sociopath.  Your attitude seems to be "well, if it doesn't directly effect me, my family, or my friend personally, then who cares how many people get hurt as long as I am entertained b/c that's all that matters."  The selfishness and fundamental lack of empathy that such a political worldview requires suggests quite a bit of callous amorality on your part.

You think i will dispute that? I will not. You can call me any name you want. I simply don't care, Sir.... I care about my relatives and friends opinion about me, but that's all. And critically important for me is an opinion of only one person, which is always positive. But, i repeat - this thread is NOT about me.. May be - we will return to NY-15 after all??

Honestly this whole thing is proof that as terrified as I am that Diaz will win the seat, I needn't worry because the only people who his selfish, hate-mongering, bitterness-appealing politics appeal to are the mostly male, largely white but not exclusively, embittered crowd who see the changing of the world as an excuse to shut themselves off to it, and in fact are trying to stop it. That's all you are, my friend, a man standing on the beach and shouting at the tide to stop.

In the most recent episode of Veep, Jonah says as a joke, "This country is bad because of it's full of people who aren't like me!" But I actually think this is the kind of politics that people like you practice: just so close-minded, unimaginative, and daring to masquerade as "individualistic" and "original" when it is really just tethered to a mythologized but still woefully pathetic past. So worried are ye that history will bury the world you made as not "the best of all possible worlds," but rather an absolute cluster of a society, that you are willing to destroy civilization just so you will not be superseded. Yours is just the worst of all possible Oedipal impulses, and the worst part is that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You are so fearful of being irrelevant in a future society, of being replaced by someone who is not at all like you, that you pursue a politics of discrimination. You have began a race 50 meters in front of the marginalized and now are crying that they get to start five seconds after you. By the grace of God almighty, you waste the overtures those who have no need to cooperate with you have made. But they are the young, the diverse, the urban, and the future. And this district is full of them. And you cannot possibly fathom them. Which is to say that in a high turnout election, when the people of this district are paying more attention, expressions of politics like yours would truly disgust them. And that's how I know Diaz wouldn't win.

[Arson Plus]

This should really be renamed.

[MRS DONNA SHALALA]

Back on topic, via DailyKos: "New York City Councilman Ritchie Torres enters crowded Democratic primary for #NY15. His 2013 win at age 25 made him both the youngest elected official in New York City as well as the first gay candidate to win office from the Bronx"

Good foil to Diaz if he gains traction.

[Arson Plus]

What about Michael Blake running, he is a state assembly member?

[Zaybay]

Back on topic, via DailyKos: "New York City Councilman Ritchie Torres enters crowded Democratic primary for #NY15. His 2013 win at age 25 made him both the youngest elected official in New York City as well as the first gay candidate to win office from the Bronx"

Good foil to Diaz if he gains traction.

Torres is actually the current favorite in this race.

[Virginiá]

Please keep thread discussion on-topic. Arguments surrounding and including smoltchanov have been purged. A bit torn on whether it was better to lock this thread or mass delete posts, but if it starts up again I'm just locking it.

[Badger]

Okay, to summarize this thread...

One, Diaz has a chance in a crowded primary field, but it's still an underdog that Torres. And no Smirnoff or whatever the hell your name is, Torres is hardly the left of serrano who's long been one of the most Progressive members in Congress. Any difference is there are nominal. But nice try

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A Democrat who endorsed Ted Cruz for president and readily warrants the title of biggest Dino in America.


* I'm trying to keep this thread from turning into a toxic waste dump so please refrain from rebooting the same argument over and over again.

[Virginiá]

smoltchanov has been given a time out from this thread for continuing to argue after I asked everyone to stop.

[Cold War Liberal]

I’ve been following Torres for years and he’s awesome. A real fighter for the community he serves, especially the poor. Glad to see he’s got a great shot at moving up; can’t wait to give money to his campaign.

[Senator Incitatus]

Is there any evidence that Torres is actually the favorite? Diaz is at least comparably popular in the district and has much, much, much higher name ID.

[Badger]

Is there any evidence that Torres is actually the favorite? Diaz is at least comparably popular in the district and has much, much, much higher name ID.

Most of his higher Name ID is not for the positive.

I'm not saying that such types don't it exist, but conservatives need to get over this fantasy that inner-city blacks and Hispanics are secret social conservatives who by and large want mandated School prayer, a ban on abortions, and no gay marriage. The worst that can be said is they tend to be slightly less Progressive on such issues than most white Democrats, but still by and large more Progressive on the issues than the population at large.

Diaz has survived these years because until recently more voters than not didn't care about these issues, NDS simply worked local retail politics quite fervently. However, Urban blacks and Hispanics have evolved on this issue in the last 10 years just the same way that the rest of America has. Plus, a congressional race is far more partisan on such issues then those of trash collection in the like where Diaz has been more effective on city council and even the state senate.

As much as conservatives are wetting themselves over the possibility of a plus eighty District being represented by a Ted Cruz supporter, Diaz is going to have to rely on the rest of the field being severely split among multiple serious candidates for any chance of sneaking by.

Heck, what are New York's laws about sore loser candidacies or running as an independent / right in? Knowing New York, they are probably extremely restrictive. If they allow a post primary independent Challenge from a serious Democrat, though, I would get better than even odds that Diaz losses to such an independent Progressive Democrat in November. Lord knows the less than 10% of the district voting Republican isn't going to help him too much Beyond his own rather small primary base.

[beesley]

I don't like Diaz but I hope he wins. Diversity of ideas is important.

Well, i usually apply "fit the district" criterion for races.. Somewhere in Deep South i could find such candidate natural and even desirable, supposedly being "the only one, who can win and hold such district". But- i doubt this is the case in NY-15.....

Yes, which is why public-option advocate Jay Rockefeller deserved to be re-elected over and over again in culturally conservative West Virginia

If Rockefeller deserves to represent WV, Diaz Sr. deserves to represent NY-15

Conservatives don't deserve election anywhere.

Nobody deserves election anywhere. That being said, I think Diaz understandably has a good shot.