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« on: May 05, 2019, 07:01:58 PM »
« edited: May 06, 2019, 06:34:21 PM by NYGurl »


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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2019, 07:08:10 PM »
« Edited: May 05, 2019, 07:45:48 PM by Fuzzy Bear »

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1124798285632417793


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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2019, 07:08:51 PM »

A swing and a miss by a very special boy.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2019, 07:09:50 PM »

I like how the bottom chart still shows Republicans as more extreme than Democrats on average (Ds around -0.4, Rs around +0.5), but because of the big shift on the Democratic side from 2016-2018, he's using it to portray Democrats in Congress as "extreme."

I also really aprecciate that the only units any of these charts use is years. Really makes u think.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2019, 07:12:36 PM »

I like how the bottom chart still shows Republicans as more extreme than Democrats on average (Ds around -0.4, Rs around +0.5), but because of the big shift on the Democratic side from 2016-2018, he's using it to portray Democrats in Congress as "extreme."

I also really aprecciate that the only units any of these charts use is years. Really makes u think.

Pretty much. Basically its that the nationalists are running with their tail between their legs about the monster they had created. By "monster", I mean people who are not willing to agree with 50% of what they say.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2019, 07:13:04 PM »
« Edited: May 05, 2019, 07:19:13 PM by Only Good Communist is a 🚁 One »

The ones who euphorically squeal for command economies, who fetishize the murder of infants, elevate sodomy to a place of honor, beg for our country to be invaded and conquered by third-world immigrants, and have a bitter hatred for liberty and fundamental natural rights.
The ones who to seek to categorically undermine and dismantle every last important societal building block we have had: the church, the community, the family, the marriage, all the way down to gender.  
Democrats.
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2019, 07:16:41 PM »
« Edited: May 05, 2019, 07:21:05 PM by Edgar Suit Larry »

The ones who euphorically squeal for command economies, who fetishize the murder of infants, elevate sodomy and other sexual deviancies to a place of honor, beg for our country to be invaded and conquered by third-world immigrants, and have a bitter hatred for liberty and fundamental natural rights.
The ones who to seek to categorically undermine and dismantle every last important societal building block we have had: the church, the community, the family, the marriage, all the way down to gender.  
Democrats.
So like, they are so far to the left that they are to the right? Isn't Donald Trump basically so far to the right that he's to the left? Wasn't that his appeal?
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2019, 07:31:56 PM »

The real issue isn't "Who moved?".  The issue is the increased difference between the two parties, ideologically.  The greater difference between the parties, and the narrower range of opinion within each party now is what has the effect of making the two parties less similar to each other than at any time in the last 150 years.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2019, 07:33:54 PM »

Now that we have [tweet] tags, I will never, EVER click a link to a Tweet ever again. Learn to post, noob.
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2019, 07:42:00 PM »

Now that we have [tweet] tags, I will never, EVER click a link to a Tweet ever again. Learn to post, noob.

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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2019, 07:57:13 PM »

The ones who euphorically squeal for command economies, who fetishize the murder of infants, elevate sodomy and other sexual deviancies to a place of honor, beg for our country to be invaded and conquered by third-world immigrants, and have a bitter hatred for liberty and fundamental natural rights.
The ones who to seek to categorically undermine and dismantle every last important societal building block we have had: the church, the community, the family, the marriage, all the way down to gender.  
Democrats.
So like, they are so far to the left that they are to the right? Isn't Donald Trump basically so far to the right that he's to the left? Wasn't that his appeal?

No. His appeal was he was anti-MSM, an "outsider", and wanted to bring back jobs to the rust belt.
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2019, 08:06:30 PM »

The ones who euphorically squeal for command economies, who fetishize the murder of infants, elevate sodomy and other sexual deviancies to a place of honor, beg for our country to be invaded and conquered by third-world immigrants, and have a bitter hatred for liberty and fundamental natural rights.
The ones who to seek to categorically undermine and dismantle every last important societal building block we have had: the church, the community, the family, the marriage, all the way down to gender.  
Democrats.
So like, they are so far to the left that they are to the right? Isn't Donald Trump basically so far to the right that he's to the left? Wasn't that his appeal?

No. His appeal was he was anti-MSM, an "outsider", and wanted to bring back jobs to the rust belt.
That was Bernie.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2019, 08:10:43 PM »

The ones who euphorically squeal for command economies, who fetishize the murder of infants, elevate sodomy and other sexual deviancies to a place of honor, beg for our country to be invaded and conquered by third-world immigrants, and have a bitter hatred for liberty and fundamental natural rights.
The ones who to seek to categorically undermine and dismantle every last important societal building block we have had: the church, the community, the family, the marriage, all the way down to gender.  
Democrats.
So like, they are so far to the left that they are to the right? Isn't Donald Trump basically so far to the right that he's to the left? Wasn't that his appeal?

No. His appeal was he was anti-MSM, an "outsider", and wanted to bring back jobs to the rust belt.
That was Bernie.

Yep but Hillary cheated and became the nominee and Bernie bros voted Trump, and here we are.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2019, 08:52:43 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2019, 09:17:25 PM »

The ones who euphorically squeal for command economies, who fetishize the murder of infants, elevate sodomy and other sexual deviancies to a place of honor, beg for our country to be invaded and conquered by third-world immigrants, and have a bitter hatred for liberty and fundamental natural rights.
The ones who to seek to categorically undermine and dismantle every last important societal building block we have had: the church, the community, the family, the marriage, all the way down to gender.  
Democrats.
So like, they are so far to the left that they are to the right? Isn't Donald Trump basically so far to the right that he's to the left? Wasn't that his appeal?

No. His appeal was he was anti-MSM, an "outsider", and wanted to bring back jobs to the rust belt.
That was Bernie.

Yep but Hillary cheated and became the nominee and Bernie bros voted Trump, and here we are.

Interesting. A single sentence containing both Bernie Bro and Donut Twitter talking points. And from Dabaev to boot!
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2019, 09:21:44 PM »

From the Pew study this is taken from, the Democrats have "moved to the extreme" because":

Democrats no longer support the idea that "poor people have it easy because they can get government benefits without doing anything", and no longer believe  that "most people who want to get ahead can do so if they work hard" or that "environmental laws and regulations cost too many jobs and hurt the economy", or that immigrants "take our jobs, housing and health care" or that "homosexuality should be discouraged by society".

Democrats do, think that "racism is the main reason blacks can't get ahead" and "corporations make too much profit" and  that "government should do more to help the needy" and "peace is ensured by good diplomacy" and they've have halved their already low support for the idea of "peace was through military strength".

In short, Democrats are now 'extreme' because they're not still stuck in 1980.
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2019, 09:25:37 PM »

From the Pew study this is taken from, the Democrats have "moved to the extreme" because":

Democrats no longer support the idea that "poor people have it easy because they can get government benefits without doing anything", and no longer believe  that "most people who want to get ahead can do so if they work hard" or that "environmental laws and regulations cost too many jobs and hurt the economy", or that immigrants "take our jobs, housing and health care" or that "homosexuality should be discouraged by society".

Democrats do, think that "racism is the main reason blacks can't get ahead" and "corporations make too much profit" and  that "government should do more to help the needy" and "peace is ensured by good diplomacy" and they've have halved their already low support for the idea of "peace was through military strength".

In short, Democrats are now 'extreme' because they're not still stuck in 1980.

And also welfare was really gutted.
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2019, 09:26:36 PM »

Yes, Republicans have been extremists since the Nixon days.
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2019, 09:28:27 PM »

From the Pew study this is taken from, the Democrats have "moved to the extreme" because":

Democrats no longer support the idea that "poor people have it easy because they can get government benefits without doing anything", and no longer believe  that "most people who want to get ahead can do so if they work hard" or that "environmental laws and regulations cost too many jobs and hurt the economy", or that immigrants "take our jobs, housing and health care" or that "homosexuality should be discouraged by society".

Democrats do, think that "racism is the main reason blacks can't get ahead" and "corporations make too much profit" and  that "government should do more to help the needy" and "peace is ensured by good diplomacy" and they've have halved their already low support for the idea of "peace was through military strength".

In short, Democrats are now 'extreme' because they're not still stuck in 1980.

That's one thing you have to give Nader credit for : Democrats are no longer trying to win national elections by not being Democrats. Even in the gerrymander from Hell, Democrats have been able to produce a majority from inside of Democratic orthodoxy.
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2019, 10:12:39 PM »

From the Pew study this is taken from, the Democrats have "moved to the extreme" because":

Democrats no longer support the idea that "poor people have it easy because they can get government benefits without doing anything", and no longer believe  that "most people who want to get ahead can do so if they work hard" or that "environmental laws and regulations cost too many jobs and hurt the economy", or that immigrants "take our jobs, housing and health care" or that "homosexuality should be discouraged by society".

Democrats do, think that "racism is the main reason blacks can't get ahead" and "corporations make too much profit" and  that "government should do more to help the needy" and "peace is ensured by good diplomacy" and they've have halved their already low support for the idea of "peace was through military strength".

In short, Democrats are now 'extreme' because they're not still stuck in 1980.

And also welfare was really gutted.

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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2019, 10:23:08 PM »

Americans can kick and scream about Sanders and Justice Democrats being "far left" all they want, but it's only far left in an AMERICAN context, not in the big picture.

Being a pro-choice gay muslim in rural Alabama makes you "FAR FAR left" by rural Alabama standards, but in the big picture it makes you center-left.

I would be harder on American tendencies to think America is the center of the universe, but honestly Canadians are guilty of thinking North America and Western Europe are the center of the universe.
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2019, 11:28:45 PM »
« Edited: May 05, 2019, 11:44:40 PM by GP270watch »

I know these days seem dark but America will become a more liberal and progressive country and it will be for the better.
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2019, 12:28:12 AM »

Who cares?
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2019, 05:47:30 AM »

I know these days seem dark but America will become a more liberal and progressive country and it will be for the better.

The goodness depends on how you define "liberal" and "progressive".
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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2019, 05:49:26 AM »

The people that aim to shut people up using their powerful position.

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