Joe Biden: "I actually like Dick Cheney"

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Biden might as well run as a Republican at this rate.

I mean, he's not that far off from it at all...

If our political system was sane, your average Republican would be like Biden and your average Democrat would be like Sanders or AOC.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Biden might as well run as a Republican at this rate.

I mean, he's not that far off from it at all...

If our political system was sane, your average Republican would be like Biden and your average Democrat would be like Sanders or AOC.

Lmao. What country in the world is your model of a “sane” political system? One that represents less than a tenth of a percentage of the world’s population?

[Crumpets]

HillGoose -> Titanium D

[7,052,770]

ITT: people who probably don’t have any friends that are Republicans or just otherwise pretend they don’t exist

Yeah, I have lots of Republican friends/friendly acquaintances. Does that make me a fake Democrat too?

Have any of your friends committed war crimes?

No, but it's not like they've had the opportunity. I assume (though I generally avoid such topics) that most of my Republican friends have a good opinion of Bush and Cheney.

[Xing]

Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh. It's no surprise that Republicans (most of whom would never actually consider voting for him over Trump) want him to win the Democratic nomination so badly. It's one thing to say that he's personal friends with a generic Republican politician. It's another to say he likes *this* particular Republican, and is clearly trying to run on bipartisanship, since apparently some people still think that's possible.

Yeah yeah, he's better than Trump, this doesn't change that, sure. But personally, I like Democratic nominees who don't praise VPs who start illegal wars for oil money.

[Green Line]

Dick Cheney seems like a really good guy.  If they DIDNT get along, I would be more concerned.  I want my President to get along with the opposite party, unlike Trump.

[KaiserDave]

Ew......

[ProudModerate2]

He never said he liked Cheney’s policies lol

Yeah, that's the headline here.

I'm not a fan of Cheney at all, but I don't really care if Biden likes him on a personal level. In fact, I think that "being able to have a good personal relationship with members of the opposite party" is a really important quality for a president to have.

This.

[darklordoftech]

I think Biden's comments about Strom Thurmond will hurt him far more.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Biden might as well run as a Republican at this rate.

I mean, he's not that far off from it at all...

If our political system was sane, your average Republican would be like Biden and your average Democrat would be like Sanders or AOC.

Lmao. What country in the world is your model of a “sane” political system? One that represents less than a tenth of a percentage of the world’s population?

Basically every European country, actually.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Biden might as well run as a Republican at this rate.

I mean, he's not that far off from it at all...

If our political system was sane, your average Republican would be like Biden and your average Democrat would be like Sanders or AOC.

Lmao. What country in the world is your model of a “sane” political system? One that represents less than a tenth of a percentage of the world’s population?

Basically every European country, actually.

LMAO just LMAO


So you think Margaret Thatcher, David Cameron and Thersa May are similar politically to Joe Biden.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Biden isnt even centrist, he is clearly to the left of 90s Bill Clinton

[Associate Justice PiT]

Biden might as well run as a Republican at this rate.

I mean, he's not that far off from it at all...

If our political system was sane, your average Republican would be like Biden and your average Democrat would be like Sanders or AOC.

Lmao. What country in the world is your model of a “sane” political system? One that represents less than a tenth of a percentage of the world’s population?

Basically every European country, actually.

LMAO just LMAO


So you think Margaret Thatcher, David Cameron and Thersa May are similar politically to Joe Biden.

     Maybe someday people will know better than to try to compare American and European countries in such simplistic terms.

[TPIG]

That feeling when Biden holds higher views of a Republican politician than you...

[darklordoftech]

I assume (though I generally avoid such topics) that most of my Republican friends have a good opinion of Bush and Cheney.

Bush's own party wasn't working with him in 2008. The 2016 Republican primaries were a rejection of Bush and Cheney by their own party.

[Sumner 1868]

Nobody who voted for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution ever became President. History will repeat.

[TML]

This will probably be the first of many "gaffes" which will cause his polling lead to shrivel up and possibly disappear completely.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Biden might as well run as a Republican at this rate.

I mean, he's not that far off from it at all...

If our political system was sane, your average Republican would be like Biden and your average Democrat would be like Sanders or AOC.

Lmao. What country in the world is your model of a “sane” political system? One that represents less than a tenth of a percentage of the world’s population?

Basically every European country, actually.

LMAO just LMAO


So you think Margaret Thatcher, David Cameron and Thersa May are similar politically to Joe Biden.

Cameron and May, yes.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Biden isnt even centrist, he is clearly to the left of 90s Bill Clinton

Because 90s Bill Clinton was essentially a standard 60s or 70s Republican.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Biden might as well run as a Republican at this rate.

I mean, he's not that far off from it at all...

If our political system was sane, your average Republican would be like Biden and your average Democrat would be like Sanders or AOC.

Lmao. What country in the world is your model of a “sane” political system? One that represents less than a tenth of a percentage of the world’s population?

Basically every European country, actually.

LMAO just LMAO


So you think Margaret Thatcher, David Cameron and Thersa May are similar politically to Joe Biden.

Cameron and May, yes.

Lmao how

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Biden might as well run as a Republican at this rate.

I mean, he's not that far off from it at all...

If our political system was sane, your average Republican would be like Biden and your average Democrat would be like Sanders or AOC.

Lmao. What country in the world is your model of a “sane” political system? One that represents less than a tenth of a percentage of the world’s population?

Basically every European country, actually.

LMAO just LMAO


So you think Margaret Thatcher, David Cameron and Thersa May are similar politically to Joe Biden.

Cameron and May, yes.

Lmao how

Neither of them are very "conservative" compared to US conservatives. I'll admit Thatcher was far-right by any standard however.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh. It's no surprise that Republicans (most of whom would never actually consider voting for him over Trump) want him to win the Democratic nomination so badly. It's one thing to say that he's personal friends with a generic Republican politician. It's another to say he likes *this* particular Republican, and is clearly trying to run on bipartisanship, since apparently some people still think that's possible.

Yeah yeah, he's better than Trump, this doesn't change that, sure. But personally, I like Democratic nominees who don't praise VPs who start illegal wars for oil money.

What about ones who abuse their office for the benefit of family members?

Hunter Biden’s Work in Ukraine Emerges as a Potential 2020 Scandal

In a move sure to trigger 2016 P.T.S.D., The New York Times has published a nearly 3,000-word tale of intrigue involving the Biden family’s various entanglements in Ukraine. In short, the story is this: in the final year of the Obama presidency, Vice President Joe Biden “threatened to withhold $1 billion in United States loan guarantees if Ukraine’s leaders did not dismiss the country’s top prosecutor”—Viktor Shokin—“who had been accused of turning a blind eye to corruption in his own office and among the political elite.” The pressure campaign also just so happened to benefit Biden’s younger son, Hunter, who was then getting paid as much as $50,000 to sit on the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company that was in Shokin’s sights. The question the Times raises, but does not answer, is: were Joe’s and Hunter’s overlapping interests in Ukraine coincidental, or corrupt?

What to do if Biden or someone like him gets the Democratic nomination is a tough question for me.

On the one hand, do I support a figure I don't agree with and find problematic on a great many things, just because I barely have a choice at all? Do I weigh the Supreme Court and just getting the others guys out highly enough to support corruption, hypocrisy and regulatory capture? Isn't that what part of what is so problematic about Trump?

On the other hand... corruption, hypocrisy, and catering to entrenched interests are far from being all that is wrong with Trump. Biden can speak clear English sentences, has a vocabulary better than a 5th grader, more self-control than a toddler, doesn't (as far as I know) speaking lovingly of dictators, and can probably be trusted to not publicly wipe his rear with the Constitution in between his weekly self-inflicted crises. And he's not an American Naziwhite supremacist.

I won't say that my mind is made up, and it won't be until much closer to election day. But I'm going to keep in mind two things this election cycle. First, that  real politics (not Republican-flavored creeping attacks on democracy) is about compromise. And second, that when voting we have a responsibility to think about what, among all the outcomes we can influence, will be better for the nation.

[Mr. Smith]

Nobody who voted for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution ever became President. History will repeat.

No one against either.

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Nobody who voted for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution ever became President. History will repeat.

Biden hasn't been in the Senate that long. Funny enough, Gravel primaried one of the 2 Senators to vote nay.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Biden might as well run as a Republican at this rate.

I mean, he's not that far off from it at all...

If our political system was sane, your average Republican would be like Biden and your average Democrat would be like Sanders or AOC.

Lmao. What country in the world is your model of a “sane” political system? One that represents less than a tenth of a percentage of the world’s population?

Basically every European country, actually.

Even if you were correct, and you are not, Europe represents very little of the world.