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« Reply #925 on: October 27, 2020, 10:45:07 AM »

Let's be honest, Collins would've voted yes if it would've put them at 50. She voted nay because she wants to pretend she's bipartisan.

We all know this and I think the voters of Maine do too.
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« Reply #926 on: October 27, 2020, 11:13:12 AM »

Let's be honest, Collins would've voted yes if it would've put them at 50. She voted nay because she wants to pretend she's bipartisan.

We all know this and I think the voters of Maine do too.

The voters in Maine have a choice between a proven bipartisan Senator and a Democratic hack. I think they will chose bipartisanship, as they don't want to be dominated by the radical left wing.
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« Reply #927 on: October 27, 2020, 11:20:14 AM »

Let's be honest, Collins would've voted yes if it would've put them at 50. She voted nay because she wants to pretend she's bipartisan.

We all know this and I think the voters of Maine do too.

The voters in Maine have a choice between a proven bipartisan Senator and a Democratic hack. I think they will chose bipartisanship, as they don't want to be dominated by the radical left wing.


You know, you can say what you want about Democrats (and I do), but at least they don't have these annoying delusions of invulnerability. Whenever there's a single bad poll, they always start doomering about whatever race, which is at least better than Republicans' unwarranted confidence about a race where polling shows Gideon hovering around 50 and Collins failing to even crack 45 for months now.
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« Reply #928 on: October 27, 2020, 11:51:26 AM »

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« Reply #929 on: October 28, 2020, 11:23:28 PM »


Maine, please vote Susan Collins out!
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« Reply #930 on: October 28, 2020, 11:27:18 PM »


Maine, please vote Susan Collins out!

I second this. As a black person, I'm fully aware of how many whites have downplayed, and continue to downplay, institutional racism within this country. It doesn't surprise me that Susan Collins, an elderly white woman who lives in a state that is well over 90% white, would be so ignorant on such issues. Fortunately, it looks like Maine is going to give her a pink slip in less than a week, after a quarter of a century.
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« Reply #931 on: October 29, 2020, 12:04:36 AM »


Maine, please vote Susan Collins out!

I second this. As a black person, I'm fully aware of how many whites have downplayed, and continue to downplay, institutional racism within this country. It doesn't surprise me that Susan Collins, an elderly white woman who lives in a state that is well over 90% white, would be so ignorant on such issues. Fortunately, it looks like Maine is going to give her a pink slip in less than a week, after a quarter of a century.

What kind of systemic racism is there in Maine?
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« Reply #932 on: October 29, 2020, 12:11:49 AM »


Maine, please vote Susan Collins out!

I second this. As a black person, I'm fully aware of how many whites have downplayed, and continue to downplay, institutional racism within this country. It doesn't surprise me that Susan Collins, an elderly white woman who lives in a state that is well over 90% white, would be so ignorant on such issues. Fortunately, it looks like Maine is going to give her a pink slip in less than a week, after a quarter of a century.

What kind of systemic racism is there in Maine?

Same kind there is in the rest of the United States.
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« Reply #933 on: October 29, 2020, 12:25:47 AM »


Maine, please vote Susan Collins out!

In Collins's defense, there are no non-white in Maine to be racist to /s
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« Reply #934 on: October 29, 2020, 12:30:41 AM »


Maine, please vote Susan Collins out!

I second this. As a black person, I'm fully aware of how many whites have downplayed, and continue to downplay, institutional racism within this country. It doesn't surprise me that Susan Collins, an elderly white woman who lives in a state that is well over 90% white, would be so ignorant on such issues. Fortunately, it looks like Maine is going to give her a pink slip in less than a week, after a quarter of a century.

What kind of systemic racism is there in Maine?

Same kind there is in the rest of the United States.

I thought part of the idea of systemic racism is that it is embedded in particular institutions and historical systems ?
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« Reply #935 on: October 29, 2020, 12:51:34 AM »


Maine, please vote Susan Collins out!

I second this. As a black person, I'm fully aware of how many whites have downplayed, and continue to downplay, institutional racism within this country. It doesn't surprise me that Susan Collins, an elderly white woman who lives in a state that is well over 90% white, would be so ignorant on such issues. Fortunately, it looks like Maine is going to give her a pink slip in less than a week, after a quarter of a century.

What kind of systemic racism is there in Maine?

Same kind there is in the rest of the United States.

I thought part of the idea of systemic racism is that it is embedded in particular institutions and historical systems ?
Is Maine not apart of the United States?
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« Reply #936 on: October 29, 2020, 02:23:35 AM »

A reminder that Collins accused her Indian-American opponent of not being a "real" Mainer.
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« Reply #937 on: October 29, 2020, 06:08:14 AM »


Maine, please vote Susan Collins out!

I second this. As a black person, I'm fully aware of how many whites have downplayed, and continue to downplay, institutional racism within this country. It doesn't surprise me that Susan Collins, an elderly white woman who lives in a state that is well over 90% white, would be so ignorant on such issues. Fortunately, it looks like Maine is going to give her a pink slip in less than a week, after a quarter of a century.

What kind of systemic racism is there in Maine?

what a disgusting comment. you should be ashamed of yourself.
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« Reply #938 on: October 29, 2020, 07:52:57 AM »

Yeah. So she’s going to survive.

(Not counting Mitch)

I want to see her and Lindsey go more than anything.

It disgusts me she’s going to survive, she’s clearly charging hard and I’m afraid will cross the fi ish line unfortunately
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« Reply #939 on: October 29, 2020, 08:16:47 AM »

Yeah. So she’s going to survive.

(Not counting Mitch)

I want to see her and Lindsey go more than anything.

It disgusts me she’s going to survive, she’s clearly charging hard and I’m afraid will cross the fi ish line unfortunately

Fundamentals Favoring Collins:

-Collins is the incumbent

Fundamentals working against Collins:

-The national environment
-Partisanship
-Fundraising
-Polling
-Biden’s very likely to carry Maine, and by a bigger margin than Clinton
-Incumbents tend to underperform polls
-She’s on of the most disliked senators nationally
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« Reply #940 on: October 29, 2020, 08:44:07 AM »

Yeah. So she’s going to survive.

(Not counting Mitch)

I want to see her and Lindsey go more than anything.

It disgusts me she’s going to survive, she’s clearly charging hard and I’m afraid will cross the fi ish line unfortunately

Fundamentals Favoring Collins:

-Collins is the incumbent

Fundamentals working against Collins:

-The national environment
-Partisanship
-Fundraising
-Polling
-Biden’s very likely to carry Maine, and by a bigger margin than Clinton
-Incumbents tend to underperform polls
-She’s on of the most disliked senators nationally

She’s always considered vulnerable and always ends up with cross party ticket splitting appeal
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« Reply #941 on: October 29, 2020, 08:46:00 AM »

Yeah. So she’s going to survive.

(Not counting Mitch)

I want to see her and Lindsey go more than anything.

It disgusts me she’s going to survive, she’s clearly charging hard and I’m afraid will cross the fi ish line unfortunately

Fundamentals Favoring Collins:

-Collins is the incumbent

Fundamentals working against Collins:

-The national environment
-Partisanship
-Fundraising
-Polling
-Biden’s very likely to carry Maine, and by a bigger margin than Clinton
-Incumbents tend to underperform polls
-She’s on of the most disliked senators nationally

She’s always considered vulnerable and always ends up with cross party ticket splitting appeal

She’s always been safe on the Atlas consensus, and this is very different than 6 years ago. The national environment looks to be far more favorable to Democrats, our political climate is far more polarizing, it’s a presidential year, Susan Collins has gotten a lot of negative media, and her race is being seriously contested
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« Reply #942 on: October 29, 2020, 08:54:15 AM »

Yeah. So she’s going to survive.

(Not counting Mitch)

I want to see her and Lindsey go more than anything.

It disgusts me she’s going to survive, she’s clearly charging hard and I’m afraid will cross the fi ish line unfortunately

Fundamentals Favoring Collins:

-Collins is the incumbent

Fundamentals working against Collins:

-The national environment
-Partisanship
-Fundraising
-Polling
-Biden’s very likely to carry Maine, and by a bigger margin than Clinton
-Incumbents tend to underperform polls
-She’s on of the most disliked senators nationally

She’s always considered vulnerable and always ends up with cross party ticket splitting appeal

LMAO what world have you been living in?
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« Reply #943 on: October 29, 2020, 10:09:23 AM »

Regardless of RCV's effect on final margins, it gave us Max Linn cutting up masks on the debate stage and praising Hillary Clinton (w.r.t. Susan Collins) while also being pro-Trump. The last debate had neither him nor Lisa Savage and considering how boring it was compared to the rest, we should all be grateful for the new voting system.
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« Reply #944 on: October 29, 2020, 10:16:22 AM »

Yeah. So she’s going to survive.

(Not counting Mitch)

I want to see her and Lindsey go more than anything.

It disgusts me she’s going to survive, she’s clearly charging hard and I’m afraid will cross the fi ish line unfortunately

Fundamentals Favoring Collins:

-Collins is the incumbent

Fundamentals working against Collins:

-The national environment
-Partisanship
-Fundraising
-Polling
-Biden’s very likely to carry Maine, and by a bigger margin than Clinton
-Incumbents tend to underperform polls
-She’s on of the most disliked senators nationally

She’s always considered vulnerable and always ends up with cross party ticket splitting appeal

Ah yes, I totally thought Shenna Bellows was going to win in 2014.
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« Reply #945 on: October 29, 2020, 10:30:29 AM »

Yeah. So she’s going to survive.

(Not counting Mitch)

I want to see her and Lindsey go more than anything.

It disgusts me she’s going to survive, she’s clearly charging hard and I’m afraid will cross the fi ish line unfortunately

This race isn't over yet, Collins could still win, but good god, take a chill pill, Joe III!

Anyway, yeah, Collins is terrible. She's always been, she's just dropping the act more these days, while still making the occasional empty gesture to appear """"""""""moderate"""""""""".
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« Reply #946 on: October 29, 2020, 11:09:12 AM »

Yeah. So she’s going to survive.

(Not counting Mitch)

I want to see her and Lindsey go more than anything.

It disgusts me she’s going to survive, she’s clearly charging hard and I’m afraid will cross the fi ish line unfortunately

Fundamentals Favoring Collins:

-Collins is the incumbent

Fundamentals working against Collins:

-The national environment
-Partisanship
-Fundraising
-Polling
-Biden’s very likely to carry Maine, and by a bigger margin than Clinton
-Incumbents tend to underperform polls
-She’s on of the most disliked senators nationally

She’s always considered vulnerable and always ends up with cross party ticket splitting appeal

Ah yes, I totally thought Shenna Bellows was going to win in 2014.

Yeah, 2014 ME-Sen was a massive upset, perhaps the biggest senate upset in American History
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« Reply #947 on: October 29, 2020, 11:09:20 AM »

Yeah. So she’s going to survive.

(Not counting Mitch)

I want to see her and Lindsey go more than anything.

It disgusts me she’s going to survive, she’s clearly charging hard and I’m afraid will cross the fi ish line unfortunately

Fundamentals Favoring Collins:

-Collins is the incumbent

Fundamentals working against Collins:

-The national environment
-Partisanship
-Fundraising
-Polling
-Biden’s very likely to carry Maine, and by a bigger margin than Clinton
-Incumbents tend to underperform polls
-She’s on of the most disliked senators nationally

She’s always considered vulnerable and always ends up with cross party ticket splitting appeal

LMAO what world have you been living in?

In 2008, Collins was initially seen as vulnerable, and she faced a credible opponent that year-then Rep. Tom Allen from Maine's 1st congressional district. Collins, however, ended up defeating Allen by 23%, even while Obama was carrying Maine by 18% against John McCain at the same time. Nevertheless, as I myself have said, this is not 2008 anymore. The country is much more polarized, and Collins is far less popular than she was 12 years ago.
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« Reply #948 on: October 29, 2020, 11:12:58 AM »

Yeah. So she’s going to survive.

(Not counting Mitch)

I want to see her and Lindsey go more than anything.

It disgusts me she’s going to survive, she’s clearly charging hard and I’m afraid will cross the fi ish line unfortunately

Fundamentals Favoring Collins:

-Collins is the incumbent

Fundamentals working against Collins:

-The national environment
-Partisanship
-Fundraising
-Polling
-Biden’s very likely to carry Maine, and by a bigger margin than Clinton
-Incumbents tend to underperform polls
-She’s on of the most disliked senators nationally

She’s always considered vulnerable and always ends up with cross party ticket splitting appeal

LMAO what world have you been living in?

In 2008, Collins was initially seen as vulnerable, and she faced a credible opponent that year-then Rep. Tom Allen from Maine's 1st congressional district. Collins, however, ended up defeating Allen by 23%, even while Obama was carrying Maine by 18% against John McCain at the same time. Nevertheless, as I myself have said, this is not 2008 anymore. The country is much more polarized, and Collins is far less popular than she was 12 years ago.

Polls consistently showed Collins far ahead in 2008 (albeit not quite as far ahead as she ended up winning by) and at that point, she had only won re-election once, in a Republican year, so she didn't seem quite as invincible then as she did later.
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« Reply #949 on: October 29, 2020, 11:19:23 AM »
« Edited: October 29, 2020, 11:22:24 AM by Calthrina950 »

Yeah. So she’s going to survive.

(Not counting Mitch)

I want to see her and Lindsey go more than anything.

It disgusts me she’s going to survive, she’s clearly charging hard and I’m afraid will cross the fi ish line unfortunately

Fundamentals Favoring Collins:

-Collins is the incumbent

Fundamentals working against Collins:

-The national environment
-Partisanship
-Fundraising
-Polling
-Biden’s very likely to carry Maine, and by a bigger margin than Clinton
-Incumbents tend to underperform polls
-She’s on of the most disliked senators nationally

She’s always considered vulnerable and always ends up with cross party ticket splitting appeal

LMAO what world have you been living in?

In 2008, Collins was initially seen as vulnerable, and she faced a credible opponent that year-then Rep. Tom Allen from Maine's 1st congressional district. Collins, however, ended up defeating Allen by 23%, even while Obama was carrying Maine by 18% against John McCain at the same time. Nevertheless, as I myself have said, this is not 2008 anymore. The country is much more polarized, and Collins is far less popular than she was 12 years ago.

Polls consistently showed Collins far ahead in 2008 (albeit not quite as far ahead as she ended up winning by) and at that point, she had only won re-election once, in a Republican year, so she didn't seem quite as invincible then as she did later.

I see. I remember seeing an article somewhere, in which it was said that her race was initially viewed as competitive that year. But yes, you're right. Collins "only" beat Chellie Pingree 58-42% in 2002, and that was the 9/11 midterm year. So it makes sense that she wouldn't have been viewed as an electoral titan, like she came to be following 2014. And 2014, obviously, was also a Republican wave year-which may help to explain why Collins garnered her largest-ever majority in that election (beating Shenna Bellows 68-31%).
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