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« Reply #875 on: October 16, 2020, 07:59:51 AM »



4D chess move to keep the Senate.
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« Reply #876 on: October 16, 2020, 09:10:52 AM »

So Mr. Trump is telling his supporters to abandon Collins? If you're going to lose, at least bring the GOP down with you and let a Biden Admin enjoy a trifecta.
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« Reply #877 on: October 16, 2020, 10:11:51 AM »

So McConnell is triaging Trump, and Trump is triaging Collins? REPS IN DISARRAY!
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« Reply #878 on: October 16, 2020, 10:33:11 AM »

A clever ploy to distance himself from Collins and stress how independent she is.
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« Reply #879 on: October 16, 2020, 10:35:46 AM »

He didn't attack Sasse and he had more reason to attack him.
Trump's moves are very calculated.
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« Reply #880 on: October 16, 2020, 10:50:39 AM »



4D chess move to keep the Senate.

I'm still laughing at how Collins embarrassed herself earlier this year by claiming that Trump had "learned his lesson" from impeachment. Trump-as he's also demonstrated in the aftermath of his coronavirus diagnosis-is incapable of learning from anything, and is very stubborn. He's also made his contempt for Collins clear many times in the past, and views her (correctly, though for different reasons obviously) as a useful stooge and as weak.
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« Reply #881 on: October 16, 2020, 02:26:58 PM »

How is it a terrible answer? There would be no Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, or ACB if we had a filibuster.

Im not a fan of the filibuster but I'm also not a fan of a partisan court.
How would reinstating the filibuster for judicial nominees make things less partisan? Also, get with the times, the Supreme Court IS partisan.

Because while someone like Gorsuch could probably get confirmed, judges like Kavanaugh and Barrett would never even sniff a nomination. If the SCOTUS is going to be stuffed with brainless lackeys, there is no reason to even have a Supreme Court.

I wouldn't bring back the filibuster but I don't think that's really on the table.
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« Reply #882 on: October 16, 2020, 02:27:56 PM »

Don’t these Republican senators ever get tired of this abusive relationship? They debase themselves and suck up to Trump, or at least avoid criticizing him, while he doesn’t think twice about raking them over the coals or throwing them under the bus. I have too much self-respect, pride, shame, honor, dignity, etc. to ever do what they do. It’s cowardly and pathetic.
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« Reply #883 on: October 16, 2020, 02:31:36 PM »

Don’t these Republican senators ever get tired of this abusive relationship? They debase themselves and suck up to Trump, or at least avoid criticizing him, while he doesn’t think twice about raking them over the coals or throwing them under the bus. I have too much self-respect, pride, shame, honor, dignity, etc. to ever do what they do. It’s cowardly and pathetic.

All they care about is hanging on to their job. Nothing else. They have no principles.
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« Reply #884 on: October 16, 2020, 03:52:59 PM »


We can joke about this, but I really don't see how any vote on ACB helps Collins:

Yea: she angers Dem/Indy voters who bought her pro-choice Republican schtick
No: she angers loyal Trump voters in the state, blowing up her coalition
Present: she angers literally everyone for sitting on the fence
*skips the vote*: she breaks her perfect voting streak and Gideon hammers her on 'not showing up to represent Maine'.

To the best of my knowledge, ACB is probably good for Graham, but awful for Gardner and Collins. It's like a reverse Heitkamp-Kavanaugh vote, there's just no vote that doesn't seem to make re-election harder.
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« Reply #885 on: October 16, 2020, 04:21:39 PM »


We can joke about this, but I really don't see how any vote on ACB helps Collins:

Yea: she angers Dem/Indy voters who bought her pro-choice Republican schtick
No: she angers loyal Trump voters in the state, blowing up her coalition
Present: she angers literally everyone for sitting on the fence
*skips the vote*: she breaks her perfect voting streak and Gideon hammers her on 'not showing up to represent Maine'.

To the best of my knowledge, ACB is probably good for Graham, but awful for Gardner and Collins. It's like a reverse Heitkamp-Kavanaugh vote, there's just no vote that doesn't seem to make re-election harder.

Voting NO will help Collins and hurt Jones.
Voting YES will help Graham, Tillis, Ernst, Danes and Perdue.
I don't think there is anything that can help Gardner and McSally.
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« Reply #886 on: October 16, 2020, 04:22:38 PM »


We can joke about this, but I really don't see how any vote on ACB helps Collins:

Yea: she angers Dem/Indy voters who bought her pro-choice Republican schtick
No: she angers loyal Trump voters in the state, blowing up her coalition
Present: she angers literally everyone for sitting on the fence
*skips the vote*: she breaks her perfect voting streak and Gideon hammers her on 'not showing up to represent Maine'.

To the best of my knowledge, ACB is probably good for Graham, but awful for Gardner and Collins. It's like a reverse Heitkamp-Kavanaugh vote, there's just no vote that doesn't seem to make re-election harder.

Voting NO will help Collins and hurt Jones.
Voting YES will help Graham, Tillis, Ernst, Danes and Perdue.
I don't think there is anything that can help Gardner and McSally.


There's really also nothing that can help Jones.
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« Reply #887 on: October 16, 2020, 04:53:34 PM »


We can joke about this, but I really don't see how any vote on ACB helps Collins:

Yea: she angers Dem/Indy voters who bought her pro-choice Republican schtick
No: she angers loyal Trump voters in the state, blowing up her coalition
Present: she angers literally everyone for sitting on the fence
*skips the vote*: she breaks her perfect voting streak and Gideon hammers her on 'not showing up to represent Maine'.

To the best of my knowledge, ACB is probably good for Graham, but awful for Gardner and Collins. It's like a reverse Heitkamp-Kavanaugh vote, there's just no vote that doesn't seem to make re-election harder.

Voting NO will help Collins and hurt Jones.
Voting YES will help Graham, Tillis, Ernst, Danes and Perdue.
I don't think there is anything that can help Gardner and McSally.


Maybe with Independents. Show me one GOP voter who'll be more likely to vote for her if she votes no. She needs really good GOP turnout to win this election. She can still get that, but it'll be a heck of a lot harder if Trump spends the next fortnight attacking her.
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« Reply #888 on: October 18, 2020, 02:10:37 AM »

Both candidates have raised so much money that they are finding it impossible to spend and the people of Maine are getting pissed at how much they are being spammed by ads.

https://bangordailynews.com/2020/10/17/politics/maines-us-senate-race-has-attracted-so-much-money-that-its-hard-to-spend-it/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Maine/comments/jai2mi/can_we_all_agree_political_ads_are_out_of_control/
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« Reply #889 on: October 18, 2020, 02:48:23 AM »

Not maine relevant but Doug Jones needs historic turnout from African-Americans, every single liberal vote in Alabama (yes they exist) & all that resistance wine mum cash.

I don't see who the big pool of voters are who will switch their vote to Jones because he supported ACB; like surely high information voters who value conservative judges will be voting for Tuberville anyway?

It's like people who claimed that Jones would lose in 2017 because he was pro-choice.
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« Reply #890 on: October 18, 2020, 03:33:06 AM »

Don’t these Republican senators ever get tired of this abusive relationship? They debase themselves and suck up to Trump, or at least avoid criticizing him, while he doesn’t think twice about raking them over the coals or throwing them under the bus. I have too much self-respect, pride, shame, honor, dignity, etc. to ever do what they do. It’s cowardly and pathetic.

Trump has of course on several occasions accused Ted Cruz' father of assasinating JFK. Still, Lying Ted sucks up to him anytime he gets the chance.
Of course, Cruz is a guy who would probably sell his children to Somalian pirates without a second thought if it in any way could advance his political ambitions. The other GOP senators might not be quite so bad, but all of them utterly shameless.
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« Reply #891 on: October 18, 2020, 07:11:35 AM »


Collins only raised like $8M
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« Reply #892 on: October 18, 2020, 08:39:55 AM »


That's still more than is useful in Maine.
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« Reply #893 on: October 18, 2020, 11:16:08 AM »


I'm in Maine and I see Collins ads every time I watch a youtube video, sometimes from non campaign groups. But overall ad advantage in quantity and quality is to Gideon
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« Reply #894 on: October 18, 2020, 11:24:19 AM »


Yeah, even though Gideon raised over 3 times as much, it's not like she has 3 times the advantage in ground game; how are you going to burn through that money in ME?
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« Reply #895 on: October 18, 2020, 12:05:46 PM »


Yeah, even though Gideon raised over 3 times as much, it's not like she has 3 times the advantage in ground game; how are you going to burn through that money in ME?
Giving out Lobster rolls to every Mainer as part of GOTV effort?
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« Reply #896 on: October 19, 2020, 09:04:12 AM »

Obama making sure there is no "Collins comeback"

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« Reply #897 on: October 24, 2020, 10:57:45 AM »

What is with the lack of polling here. This could very well be the tipping point, we're less than 2 weeks from the election, and the last poll was about 3 weeks ago. This doesn't necessarily mean Susan Collin's position has improved,  but it definately increases uncertainty
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« Reply #898 on: October 24, 2020, 11:32:40 AM »

I think polls have done deliberately this, they been polling more MT Gov than Senate polls, but we will get results pretty fast anyways, forget the polls, we know ME is a Dem state and Bullock is more popular than Cooney
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« Reply #899 on: October 24, 2020, 11:34:42 AM »

What is with the lack of polling here. This could very well be the tipping point, we're less than 2 weeks from the election, and the last poll was about 3 weeks ago. This doesn't necessarily mean Susan Collin's position has improved,  but it definately increases uncertainty

I agree. We've gotten so many polls of KS, MT, and TX in the last few weeks showing Democrats there are behind. Why can't we get one from ME to get a clearer view on the path to a majority?
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