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« on: April 06, 2019, 11:02:58 PM »
« edited: April 06, 2019, 11:05:59 PM by Da2017 »

How much did sexism play a role in the election? It still looks like there is a problem with Woman candidates this cycle. You can't deny there are some voter uncomfortable with Woman leading.

On the hand being a woman could of been a plus. There were some voters excited for a woman president.
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2019, 01:32:00 AM »

To blame her loss on sexism would be to excuse the various tactical blunders she made. Given how close the final outcome was, if she had not committed some or all of those tactical blunders, the sexism factor wouldn't have mattered in terms of the outcome (just like how racism wasn't anywhere near enough to prevent Obama from getting elected twice).
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2019, 04:07:10 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2019, 04:15:58 AM »

Her campaign was seriously considering the motto "It's her turn". Imagine a man trying to use the motto "It's his turn".
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2019, 05:42:29 AM »

Ask President McCain and President Romney if racism helped them get to the White House.
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2019, 06:41:49 AM »

It did matter in Michigan where many Muslims (which make up perhaps 3-4% of the vote) didn't turn out for Hillary--enough to tip the state to Trump.  Perhaps a lower than expected support from male Hispanics may have played a role, but I don't think it affected the outcome in any state.
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2019, 06:46:21 AM »

It did matter in Michigan where many Muslims (which make up perhaps 3-4% of the vote) didn't turn out for Hillary--enough to tip the state to Trump.  Perhaps a lower than expected support from male Hispanics may have played a role, but I don't think it affected the outcome in any state.

I'm pretty sure they'd vote for a woman rather than vote or enable somebody who has threatened to ban them from entering the U.S and uses dog-whistle Islamophobia.
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2019, 07:29:48 AM »

It did matter in Michigan where many Muslims (which make up perhaps 3-4% of the vote) didn't turn out for Hillary--enough to tip the state to Trump.  Perhaps a lower than expected support from male Hispanics may have played a role, but I don't think it affected the outcome in any state.

I'm pretty sure they'd vote for a woman rather than vote or enable somebody who has threatened to ban them from entering the U.S and uses dog-whistle Islamophobia.

You might think so, and I am sure that most of them did.  But just enough didn't show up to make the difference.
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2019, 09:15:55 AM »

It did matter in Michigan where many Muslims (which make up perhaps 3-4% of the vote) didn't turn out for Hillary--enough to tip the state to Trump.  Perhaps a lower than expected support from male Hispanics may have played a role, but I don't think it affected the outcome in any state.

But yet the two Moslem reps in Congress are both female. And both won in districts that have large  Moslem populations, more so for Tlaib's district.  If Moslems of Arab or African origin didnt vote for Hillary (I dont know whether or not thats true), I suspect it was more because of her eagerness for war in the middle east.

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2019, 12:26:30 PM »

Here's article from WP from September 2016 which described the difficulties Hillary was facing in consolidating the Muslim vote going into that November:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/clinton-is-trying-to-woo-muslim-voters-they-could-make-all-the-difference/2016/09/07/876821f6-6bae-11e6-99bf-f0cf3a6449a6_story.html?utm_term=.4ecd27f7be69


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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2019, 01:23:31 AM »

To a degree, sure. But it’s really not something that, alone, her loss should be blamed on.
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2019, 05:08:19 AM »

Her low favorability, in part due to her perceived unlikability and untrustworthiness, was a key cause of her defeat. It's entirely possible, probable even, that sexism helped fuel perceptions of her as unlikable and untrustworthy. However it is very difficult to separate what levels of her unpopularity were caused by sexism or whether it was due to other factors and not an inevitable consequence of sexism. Saying all of her unpopularity was based on sexism would be foolish and probably saying none of it was based on sexism would be foolish too. Perhaps it made enough of a difference for her to lose narrowly instead of winning narrowly. Perhaps her own mistakes were the primary cause but were bigger mistakes due to sexism.
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2019, 10:13:10 AM »

To a degree, sure. But it’s really not something that, alone, her loss should be blamed on.
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2019, 02:58:49 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2019, 03:04:46 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2019, 07:35:51 AM »

Her low favorability, in part due to her perceived unlikability and untrustworthiness, was a key cause of her defeat. It's entirely possible, probable even, that sexism helped fuel perceptions of her as unlikable and untrustworthy. However it is very difficult to separate what levels of her unpopularity were caused by sexism or whether it was due to other factors and not an inevitable consequence of sexism. Saying all of her unpopularity was based on sexism would be foolish and probably saying none of it was based on sexism would be foolish too. Perhaps it made enough of a difference for her to lose narrowly instead of winning narrowly. Perhaps her own mistakes were the primary cause but were bigger mistakes due to sexism.
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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2019, 09:28:07 AM »

There was a degree of sexism, yes.

Was that the reason she lost?  No.
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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2019, 01:11:22 PM »

Sad state of affairs that this question needs a thread and that to answer "yes" is controversial.

I've got about 10 pages of quotes saved from asshats of all political stripes on this very forum spouting sexist drivel about Hillary Clinton. To say that gender has not played a significant role colouring perceptions of Hillary Clinton and increasing the intensity of the hatred levelled towards her is absolutely ridiculous. Talk to the blue-collar unions about their membership's feelings towards Hillary Clinton. The IAFF couldn't even be arsed to endorse her despite her strong record of supporting fire fighters and union rights because its insecure male membership was going ballistic about a shrill woman leading the liberal culture wars.

No one has asked robot Corey Booker about likability. Roll Eyes










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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2019, 01:19:43 PM »

Yes, and it's the fundamental reason she lost.
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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2019, 01:26:39 PM »

There was a degree of sexism, yes.

Was that the reason she lost?  No.

This.
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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2019, 01:27:29 PM »

Sexist attacks that go further back than 2015 surely cost her more than her margin of defeat in MI/PA/WI, but there were bigger factors at play in her loss.
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2019, 10:23:22 AM »

No
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2019, 11:00:02 AM »

Yes.
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2019, 09:19:05 PM »

Yes, at least partially.
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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2019, 05:19:58 AM »

Obviously, and almost all women are. All the leftists here saying otherwise because they hate $hillary are either just dishonest or terrible progressives.
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