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« Reply #125 on: June 09, 2020, 07:27:14 PM »

I can't believe I've missed so much of this. Fantastic work!
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« Reply #126 on: June 10, 2020, 08:01:12 PM »

My prediction: Hastert doesn't only get away with his crimes, but beats the Dem. opponent come election time. Either that or Hawa'ii gets nuked maybe? That might be par for the course.

How could Hastert win other than rigging the election he is on pace to win like maybe 1 state if he's lucky.
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« Reply #127 on: June 15, 2020, 11:39:41 AM »
« Edited: July 03, 2020, 03:23:40 AM by Parrotguy »

The Scandal
(Part III- July)



Sources: Wikipedia Commons

July 11th, 2007
"Hold on, Wolf, we're finally getting a report... Governor Abercrombie and Lieutenant Governot Schatz are going to hold a press conference right now. According to spokespeople, he's going to give 'a special announcement to the American people', as is being described now..."
-CNN reporter

"IS NEIL ABERCROMBIE GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT???"
-Bloggers Michael Brooks and Scutos Auros

"We're live NOW from Govenor Abercrombie's special press conference in front of the State Capitol- and all eyes are on Hawaii today!"
-Honolulu Star-Advertiser reporter

"Who is this Asian dude standing near the Lieutenant Governor?!"
-Twitter post

"Ladies and gentlemen, members of the press, people of Hawaii, and the people of America listening to us right now. You all know that we are in tough times. Times of crisis. The quagmire in Iraq and an economic slowdown are joined by a much more consequential crisis- a crisis of leadership. Our President and Commander-in-Chief, the man who's supposed to lead all Americans, ordered the arrest of the FBI Director to escape a report on horrible misconduct and heinous deeds. But I'm afraid that it'll still get worse before it can get better. I called the good soldiers of the Hawaii National and State Guard with a heavy heart but with great conviction- and the reason is that after his recent deeds, I do not trust the President to protect our freedom of speech. We must protect it by ourselves. Today, I'm not the main actor, or the man you should be listening to. I'm merely a vessel to the real hero , a vessel to freedom and the restoration of decency in this country. So without further talk please welcome Mr. Robert Seiki, Honolulu native and former FBI Agent who worked closely with Bob Mueller on his lastest investigation."
-Governor Neil Abercrombie

"Hello, everyone. My name is Robert Seiki. I was born and raised in the great city of Honolulu. I am... was an FBI Agent. Until I was fired along with others who worked on the Mueller investigation. I come here torn, reluctant to act against the commands of the President. But knowing what I know, hearing what I heard, I cannot in good conscious stay silent... Director Mueller and his team, we discovered that the President, during his time as Congressman and Speaker, created a scheme to withdraw a lot of cash to pay hush money without being noticed. Starting from the early 2000s, Hastert started paying these funds to a person who... a person he allegedly committed misconduct against. As we investigated further, more witnesses surfaced. We reached the conclusion that there is strong evidence that the President sexually harrassed and abused several minors during his time as a highschool football coach at Yorkville High School, boys as young as 14. Due to the Statue of Limitation we could not recommend an indictment for these horrid charges, and instead, our recommendation included charges of structuring withdrawals to evade reporting, and lying to the FBI under oath. But we also felt that we had to let the American people know about the rest, and this is what probably brought this authoritarian wrath on the Director. I stand with Director Mueller and I hope that we can restore a sense of decency and leadership to this country. Thank you, I will now answer questions."
-Whistleblower Robert Seiki

"BREAKING NEWS: FBI Whistleblower reveals shocking allegations about President Hastert"
-CNN

"Enough is enough. We're going to submit the Articles of Impeachment right now. Let all good men and women show their true worth."
-Speaker Nancy Pelosi

"The White House is locked down and in radio silence, journalists not allowed... what is going on?"
-Fox News Reporter

"This is disturbing. Deeply, deeply disturbing."
-Senator Susan Collins

"The President should step down immediately. This testimony is damning to the highest level, and I'm disgusted, as a mother, as an American, to have someone like this as the leader of the free world."
-Senator Hillary Clinton

"The American satan reveals itself to its ugliest colors. The President is a pedophile. This is the essence of Western Civilization!"
-Ayatollah Khamenei

"Nation in Turmoil: How do we go on from here?"
-Washington Post

"BREAKING: A dozen Republican Senators announce support for impeachment"
-New York Times

"It would be better for the nation if the President resigns today."
-Minority Leader Roy Blunt

"PRESIDENT HASTERT RELEASES COMBATIVE STATEMENT: accusations "a disgusting smear", stepping down "not in the cards", accuses Republicans of "disployalty and listening to filth", confident that "the American people will see where is the truth and where the lies""
-Associated Press

"Reports: dozens of White House staffers take "leave of absence", refuse to work for Hastert; Giuliani silent"
-CNN



Note: the next post will finally be in the "normal" format Smiley Sorry for slow updates- I'll be quite burdened with uni projects until the end of July or so. And thanks for the warm words everyone, I hope this story can continue to be enjoyable!
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« Reply #128 on: June 15, 2020, 11:45:26 AM »

Am I the only one who finds Khamenei's way of writing hilarious?

Amazing update!
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« Reply #129 on: June 15, 2020, 11:49:26 AM »

The odds of Feingold rise with every new scandal.
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« Reply #130 on: June 15, 2020, 08:26:17 PM »

"This is disturbing. Deeply, deeply disturbing."
-Senator Susan Collins
Ha!
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« Reply #131 on: June 16, 2020, 12:05:41 AM »

Just found this timeline and absolutely loving it, won't be surprised if DNC goes to a contested convention between Clinton, Gore, Feingold, and Obama.
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« Reply #132 on: June 17, 2020, 05:39:04 PM »

Let me put it this way.

AL GORE 2008
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« Reply #133 on: July 02, 2020, 05:18:19 PM »
« Edited: July 02, 2020, 05:57:28 PM by Parrotguy »

The Scandal
(Part IV- July)



Sources: Wikipedia Commons

July 12th: White House releases defiant statement, calls accusations "the biggest smear campaign in history"

July 13th: Crisis mode in the White House as consequences from Seiki testimony unfold; dozens of Republican figures say the President "should resign"

July 14th: Presidential candidate Gore goes on the attack: "weak response by Republican leadership; they should demand a resignation"

July 15th: BREAKING: Jolene Reinboldt Burdge, sister of alleged Hastert victim, releases testimony, calls President "a monster"

July 16h: REPORTS: Press Secretary Snowe, Attorney General Gonzalez left the White House

July 17th: A Nation Without Leadership: Deep in a political crisis, the White House goes silent

July 18th: Speaker Pelosi officially submits articles of impeachment to the House floor, claims "speed is of essence"

July 19th: As U.S. is embroiled in turmoil, world leaders feel they have no partner; some reportedly in contact with Clinton, Gore

July 20st: House of Representatives votes 326-77 for impeachment, Senate trial expected in coming days

July 21st: Vice President Giuliani breaks silence, says "it is to the best interest of the nation that the President resigns"; few Republicans still defend Hastert

July 22nd: Senate Majority Leader Reid announces beginning of quick impeachment trial

July 23rd: President reportedly huddled with Chief of Staff, refusing to resign

July 24th: Scott Cross, known in FBI investigation as "individual D", testifies before the Senate, detailing the pattern of abuse from Hastert

July 25th: Former President Cheney "shocked and ashamed" of Hastert, says he's "regretting" resignation

July 26th: NEW POLL: 73% of Americans disapprove of Republican Party's response to Hastert scandal; 82% want President to resign

July 27th: THE PRESIDENT IS IMPEACHED: in a night vote, Senate impeaches Dennis Hastert in a 74-21 vote

July 28th: Rudy Giuliani sworn in as 47th President of the United States, fourth in past two years



After more than a year of turmoil and scandals in the American political scene, the worst came. The testimony of Robert Seiki, a former FBI Agent-turned-whistleblower who worked closely with former Director Mueller on the Hastert case, opened the dam and let in the flood. The news exploded all over the media- from Fox News to MSNBC no one stayed calm in the face of such a horrifying testimony.

Even before that fateful day of July 11th was over, most of the Republican Party finally turned against its President. House and Senate leaders Blunt and McConnell stated that Hastert should resign, and at least a dozen Senators publicly declared their support for impeachment. RNC Chair Ken Blackwell, a staunch defender of the President, refused to comment and was reportedly huddled with advisors and refusing to go out and see the press.

In the White House, the situation was catastrophic- Press Secretary Snow and most of the cabinet left. Hastert remained with Chief of Staff Tyrone Fahner, and they contemplated their options. Some Republicans remained silent as well, while others showed their shock from the news and urged due process. Rep. Mark Kirk, for example, said that "anyone who knows Denny is shocked and confused by the recent news". The President refused to resign, believing if he could discredit Seiki he could regain his footing.

But it wasn't yet over. In the followin days, several victims- some sending anonymous letters and some speaking publicly- accused Hastert of sexual abuse when they were minors. One outspoken accuser was Jolene Reinboldt Burdge, who said that her late brother, Steve Reinboldt, told her he was abused several times by Hastert when he was a wrestling coach. She described an instance when Hastert attended Reinboldt's viewing after his death, and when she angrily asked him in the parking lot why he did what he did, "he just stood there and stared at me" before getting in his car. She claimed that "the lack of response said everything".

As polls showed the majority of American being very displeased at the party's late and restrained response, most of the remaining members of the party who hadn't spoken out, including Chairman Blackwell and Vice President Giuliani, said that the President "should resign". Reportedly, Hastert was heavily weighing a resignation before he's impeached, but believed he could find a way to discredit the allegations and, if impeached, win election again on a wave of sympathy, so he hesitated. But it moved past his hands- with quick efforts and over a few days, Speaker Nancy Pelosi brought the Articles of Impeachment to the House floor. She claimed that "every day Hastert is in office is a disgrace for our nation" and that there was no reason to do independent investigations in light of the recent testimonies, "especially considering the administration showed a dangerous light in Mueller's arrest".

The House voted overwhelmingly to impeach for obstruction of justice, sexual abuse, unlawful arrest and financial misconduct. 326 voted for it (all 267 Democrats and 59 Republicans), 77 voted against it and 32 abstained or didn't vote, all Republicans. Senate Majority leader Reid, acting as quickly and ruthlessly as Pelosi, was soon to follow- and he had the votes. The votes to impeach were all 55 members of the Democratic caucus and 19 Republicans- Murkowski (R-AK), McCain (R-AZ), Isakson (R-GA), Lugar (R-IN), Snowe (R-ME), Collins (R-ME), Coleman (R-MN), Hagel (R-NE), Sununu (R-NH), Gregg (R-NH), Domenici (R-NM), Dole (R-NC), Voinovich (R-OH), Coburn (R-OK), Smith (R-OR), Specter (R-PA), Alexander (R-TN), Bennett (R-UT) and Warner (R-VA). Five abstained- Allard (R-CO), Martinez (R-FL), Bond (R-MO), Burr (R-NC) and Hatch (R-UT). That made for a 74-21 blowout in favour of impeachment. It was July 24th, 2007.

For the first time in the history of the United States, the President was formally impeached by Congress.

As much as he didn't like it, Hastert had to leave the White House, and was seen escorted by Secret Service agents to a helicopter that would take him home to Illinois. After a quick swearing-in ceremony, it was done- Rudy Giuliani was President of the United States.

Key Polling (August 2007)

President Rudy Giuliani job approval (August 1st)
Disapprove- 58%
Approve- 31%
Unsure- 11%

Speaker Nancy Pelosi approval (August 1st)
Approve- 52% ↑ (+2)
Disapprove- 41% ↓ (-1)
Unsure- 7% ↓ (-1)

Direction of the Country (August 1st)
Wrong Track- 83% ↑ (+2)
Right Track- 11% ↑ (+1)
Unsure- 8% ↓ (-3)

Who will you support in the 2008 Presidential election? (Giuliani)
Generic Democrat- 55%
President Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)- 34%
Others\Undecided- 11%

Who will you support in the 2008 Presidential election? (Other Republican)
Generic Democrat- 54% ↑ (+3)
Generic Republican- 36% ↓ (-1)
Others\Undecided- 10% ↑ (-2)

Who do you support for the Republican nomination in 2008? (Speculated)
President Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)- 24%
Governor Jeb Bush (R-FL)- 17% ↓ (-3)
Fmr. Secretary Condoleezza Rice (R-CA)- 11% ↓ (-1)
Senator John McCain (R-AZ)- 9% ↑ (+2)
Fmr. President Dennis Hastert (R-IL)- 8% ↓ (-23)
Fmr. First Lady Laura Bush (R-TX)- 6% = (+-0)
Fmr. President Dick Cheney (R-WY)- 4%
Fmr. Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR)- 3%
U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)- 3% ↓ (-2)
Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA)- 2% = (+-0)
Others- 6% ↓ (-2)
Undecided- 7% ↓ (-2)

Who do you support for the Democratic nomination in 2008?
Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY)- 24% ↑ (+1)
Fmr. Vice President Al Gore (D-TN)- 22% = (+-0)
Senator Barack Obama (D-IL)- 15% ↓ (-2)
Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI)- 10% ↓ (-2)
Governor Neil Abercrombie (D-HI)- 6%
Governor Janet Napolitano (D-AZ)- 5% ↓ (-1)
Fmr. Senator John Edwards (D-NC)- 4% = (+-0)
Fmr. Governor Gary Locke (D-WA)- 3% = (+-0)
Governor Phil Bredesen (D-TN)- 2% = (+-0)
Senator Joe Biden (D-DE)- 2% = (+-0)
Governor Bill Richardson (D-NM)- 1% ↓ (-1)
U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)- 1% = (+-0)
Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN)- 1% = (+-0)
Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT)- 0% ↓ (-1)
Governor Tom Vilsack (D-IA)- 0% = (+-0)
Fmr. Senator Mike Gravel (D-AK)- 0% = (+-0)
Others\Undecided- 4% = (+-0)
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« Reply #134 on: July 02, 2020, 05:50:32 PM »

This timeline makes me realize that as much as Trump sucks, it could ALWAYS be worse.
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« Reply #135 on: July 02, 2020, 05:59:12 PM »

Note: added an... Interesting detail to the polling numbers.
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« Reply #136 on: July 02, 2020, 08:32:42 PM »

Great update, even if Rudy is now the President!

Note: added an... Interesting detail to the polling numbers.

N E I L

One small thing... in the first of your main posts today, there’s a reference to “2010”
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« Reply #137 on: July 02, 2020, 08:39:04 PM »

Note: added an... Interesting detail to the polling numbers.

The only thing who can stop N E I L is David I*e who we shall not name.
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« Reply #138 on: July 03, 2020, 03:24:10 AM »

Great update, even if Rudy is now the President!

Note: added an... Interesting detail to the polling numbers.

N E I L

One small thing... in the first of your main posts today, there’s a reference to “2010”

Thanks, fixed!
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« Reply #139 on: July 03, 2020, 03:30:40 AM »

Al Gore 2008! Please!
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« Reply #140 on: July 03, 2020, 11:00:41 AM »

I hope Laura Bush does run
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« Reply #141 on: July 03, 2020, 12:42:05 PM »

Just caught up with the recent updates.

If this is a President Abercrombie timeline, I'm going to be very happy.
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« Reply #142 on: July 03, 2020, 12:49:46 PM »

Feingold/Abercrombie 2008 tbh
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« Reply #143 on: July 03, 2020, 01:26:37 PM »

By the way- now that we're out of the climax of the scandal, the next posts (when I get around to it) will focus on the 2008 Presidential race on both sides Smiley Expect a scramble on the GOP side and an exciting race on the Dem side!
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« Reply #144 on: July 03, 2020, 01:33:39 PM »

At this point, I won't be surprised if Giuliani's so sick of everything that he decides not to run.
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« Reply #145 on: July 06, 2020, 07:53:18 AM »

The 2008 Election
Part I- August to September (2007)



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July 30th: Just two days after his swearing-in, Rep. Waters calls on President Giuliani to resign and let Speaker Pelosi take over

August 1st: Former President Hastert releases statement withdrawing his candidacy for the Presidency, affirms that he "will not run this year for the good of the country"

August 4th: President Giuliani officially announces candidacy, declares that he will "lead America to prosperity and restore our standing in the world"

August 5th: Who will Bushworld put up? Speculation abounds that pro-Bush donors, consultants are preparign to challenge Giuliani; Rice, Powell rule themselves out

August 7th: Democrats hold another Presidential debate; Gore, Obama, Napolitano shine

August 10th: RNC Chairman Ken Blackwell announces resignation, citing "personal reasons"

August 11th: Shocking observers, Jeb Bush says he will not run for President, saying "it's not the right time for my family". Speculation now centering on former President George H.W. Bush, First Lady Laura Bush

August 12th: New poll shows former President Bush leading President Giuliani 25%-22%; Laura bush trailing 24%-17%

August 13th: President Giuliani receives another challenger- former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson running on a libertarian-Republican platform, claims Rep. Paul "doesn't represent liberty on all levels, including civic"

August 14th: Giuliani picks non-controversial former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore to serve as RNC Chair; expected to win

August 16th: BREAKING: former First Lady Laura Bush to challenge President Giuliani, promising "dignity and stability" and focusing on "bringing everyone up via quality education"

August 17th: Potential heavyweights John McCain, Mike Huckabee not running for President

August 19th: Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum, defeated in 2006, challenges Giuliani from the right promising to combat 'crisis of immorality': "I will cleanse the nation"

August 20th: Neil Abercrombie not running for Democratic nomination, praises "wonderful field of excellent potential nominees"

August 21st: Two new candidates announce Presidential campaigns for GOP: Kansas Senator Sam Brownback and California Representative Duncan hunter, two staunch conservatives challenging Giuliani from the right

August 22nd: Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney "not pursuing the Presidency this year"

August 24th: BREAKING: former President Richard Cheney announces shocking candidacy, claims Hastert forced him out and warns Americans of "emboldened enemies everywhere"

August 27th: Moderate former Governor of New York George Pataki announces Presidential campaign, setting up struggle between two New York rivals

August 28th: Colorado's Tom Tancredo announces Presidential campaign, focuses on anti-immigration rhetoric

September 1st: Fmr. Ambassador Alan Keyes to run for President



With the resignation of President Hastert, a new chapter started in these tumultous years of American politics- the 2008 Presidential election went into full gears. Now that President Hastert was disgraced, both major parties were sure to have competitive primaries- and while the Democratic field was presumably mostly finalized, on the GOP side things were about to get especially wild.

The Republican National Committee had to rush to allow a fair and orderly nominating contest, knowing that many more candidates would have to announce now and scheduling more debates for the next weeks and months. They also had their own shakeup- RNC Chairman Blackwell, an avid Hastert backer, quietly resigned his post and was replaced by Giuliani's choice- former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore, who served in the role in 2001. Luckily, the final date for submitting signatures to gain ballot access was still some time away, but the candidates had to join the race as fast as possible in order to get their names out, start fundraising and gather petitions for ballot access. And so it would be.

Former President Hastert was the first big name to announce his intentions. In a press release from his home in Illinois, Hastert said that he would "not run for President this year, for the sake of the country's unity". That was effectively a suspension of his existing campaign, making Hastert the first drop-out of the 2008 cycle. There was heavy speculation that President Giuliani would grant him a pardon, ala-Ford and Nixon, but Giuliani decided not to do that- at least yet- due to the former President's deep unpopularity.

President Giuliani was the next to announce his intentions- he was running. Giuliani was rumoured to be considering a run for 2008 even before becoming President after an odd turn of events, so not many observers were surprised that he was prepared to use the advantage of incumbency- even lessened, serving only for a few months until the first primaries and serving under a scandal-riddened administration before that. With it, he could have a much better chance of winning the primary than in an open field, but he was still not going to have an easy time. One other candidate- Rep. Ron Paul- was already running and gaining some traction with anti-war right-wing youth. And soon, more were expected to join.

But there was more than one major hurdle for serious Republican candidates to enter the primary this year- the other was that polls showed overwhelming odds against their party. Many politicians were reluctant to throw away their future chances.

One powerful front of the Republican Party was preparing to set up a challenge against the President- Bush loyalists. Those who adored the deceased President and came to resent the ones who followed were aching to unseat Giuliani and present their own candidate for President. The most widely-speculated name was that of former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, but he eventually decided that it was not the right year and withdrew his name from consideration. The next names that were thrown around were quite peculiar- former President George H.W. Bush, who was eligible for another term, and former First Lady Laura Bush. Eventually, pro-Bush aides and donors settled on their candidate- Laura Bush. She announced a campaign based on continuing her late husband's legacy, focusing on education solutions and giving America "a stable, respectable administration that President Giuliani and the Democrats cannot provide". She accused Giuliani of staying quiet on Hastert and his transgressions for too, and immediately earned endorsements from Jeb Bush, George H.W. Bush and former First Lady Barbara Bush.

Many other potential candidates backed away from a run. Senator John McCain, long considered someone who wanted to run, decided to avoid a nearly-inevitably losing campaign and was said to set his eyes on 2012, despite his advanced age by then. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney was considered a candidate who almost threw his hat in the ring, fearing irrelevancy by 2012, but stayed out rather than challenge an incumbent in an uncomfortable year and decided to promote himself in other ways. Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee decided not to run too, choosing to pursue a Senate campaign instead against Mark Pryor.

With these heavyweights cleared, others chose to attempt an unlikely run. One of those was former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum, who was considered a darling of the religious right, being young and passionately conservative, before losing his 2006 reelection. Attempting to shed the loser's image, Santorum blamed the national environment created by "immoral activities that President Hastert allowed to go unpunished" and promised that he was the one "to cleanse the party and the country", touting his previous victories in Pennsylvania, a Democratic-leaning state.

It wasn't over yet. Anothe candidate threw his hat in the ring, a shocking candidacy not many people expected- former President Dick Cheney. Claiming that Hastert got him to resign in order to become President and promoting his candidacy as "someone who knows the damn job" and will be able to "set America back on course and protect us from emboldened enemies". The latter line seemed to resonate especially- many Americans saw North Korean missile tests, Russian training exercises, Chinese movements in the South China Sea and an increasingly robust Iranian nuclear program and felt that the political crisis was putting the country in a dangerous position.

And then, from the more moderate side of the party, Giuliani was challenged by a surprising candidate- the former Governor of his own state, George Pataki. The two had a famously strenuous relationship during their time as respective Governor and Mayor of New York, but it seems now like the rumours of an open dislike are correct- Pataki, a socially liberal, environmentalist and tax-cutting Republican, opened his campaign by attacking Giuliani for "collaborating with the worst forces of party over country and throwing away the values we believe in" and promoted himself as a "safe, stable and experienced hand to show proper stewardship as a contrast to both the Democratic Party's rising radicalism and the forces of party over country among us".

Other candidates with less of a standing entered later- ultra conserative Kansas Senator Sam Brownback, challenging Santorum for the religious right lane and adding a very conservative fiscal policy; former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson, running on a more socially libertarian platform than Ron Paul; U.S. Rep. and immigration hardliner Tom Tancredo of Colorado; conservative U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter of California; and former Ambassador Alan Keyes, another hardline social conservative.

Meanwhile, on the Democratic side there wasn't much development. The party held several debates until September, without much of a change. Al Gore was considered solid, improving on the memort of his 2000 campaign and showing more charisma; Hillary Clinton did as well as could be expected; Barack Obama continued showing his easy charisma and doing well; Russ Feingold didn't do badly but seemed to be more of a presence on the campaign trail than the debate stage; Janet Napolitano had several solid and improving showings; Gary Locke did well but didn't seem to shine on the big stage as he did in the undercard debate; John Edwards seemed to be overshadowed by candidates like Obama and Feingold; while Joe Biden, Phil Bredesen and Bill Richardson mostly faded. In the undercard debates, no one really moved, including Evan Bayh, who found himself out of the main debates.

Additionally, the performance of Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie when he helped Robert Seiki speak out against Hastert earned him much fame in Democratic circles, even earning him high numbers in Presidential polls. But eventually, he put the speculations to bed- probably calming Senators Feingold and Obama, whose more progressive base of voters he was chipping into in polls.

Key Polling (September 2007)

President Rudy Giuliani job approval (September 1st)
Disapprove- 55% ↓ (-3)
Approve- 36% ↑ (+5)
Unsure- 9% ↓ (-2)

Speaker Nancy Pelosi approval (September 1st)
Approve- 49% ↓ (-3)
Disapprove- 44% ↑ (+3)
Unsure- 7% = (+-0)

Direction of the Country (September 1st)
Wrong Track- 76% ↓ (-7)
Right Track- 17% ↑ (+6)
Unsure- 9% ↑ (+1)

Who will you support in the 2008 Presidential election? (Giuliani)
Generic Democrat- 53% ↓ (-2)
President Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)- 37% ↑ (+3)
Others\Undecided- 10% ↓ (-1)

Who will you support in the 2008 Presidential election? (Other Republican)
Generic Democrat- 48% ↓ (-6)
Generic Republican- 41% ↑ (+5)
Others\Undecided- 11% ↑ (+1)

Who do you support for the Republican nomination in 2008?
President Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)- 31% ↑ (+7)
Fmr. Governor George Pataki (R-NY)- 17%
Fmr. First Lady Laura Bush (R-TX)- 14% ↑ (+8)
Fmr. President Dick Cheney (R-WY)- 9% ↑ (+5)
Fmr. Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)- 7%
U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)- 5% ↑ (+2)
Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS)- 3%
U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO)- 2%
Fmr. Governor Gary Johnson (R-NM)- 2%
U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA)- 1%
Others/Undecided- 9% ↑ (+2)

Who do you support for the Democratic nomination in 2008?
Fmr. Vice President Al Gore (D-TN)- 24% ↑ (+2)
Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY)- 23% ↓ (-1)
Senator Barack Obama (D-IL)- 16% ↑ (+1)
Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI)- 12% ↑ (+2)
Governor Janet Napolitano (D-AZ)- 8% ↑ (+3)
Fmr. Governor Gary Locke (D-WA)- 3% = (+-0)
Fmr. Senator John Edwards (D-NC)- 3% ↓ (-1)
Governor Phil Bredesen (D-TN)- 2% = (+-0)
Senator Joe Biden (D-DE)- 2% = (+-0)
Governor Bill Richardson (D-NM)- 1% = (+-0)
U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)- 1% = (+-0)
Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN)- 0% = (-1)
Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT)- 0% = (+-0)
Governor Tom Vilsack (D-IA)- 0% = (+-0)
Fmr. Senator Mike Gravel (D-AK)- 0% = (+-0)
Others\Undecided- 5% ↑ (+1)
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« Reply #146 on: July 06, 2020, 10:52:32 AM »

Laura Bush 2008!
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« Reply #147 on: July 06, 2020, 01:38:06 PM »

Backing Hillary, but Obama or Gore are also fine, I'd be open to backing the Republicans, depending on the candidate, if Feingold wins.
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« Reply #148 on: July 06, 2020, 03:58:58 PM »

Backing Hillary, but Obama or Gore are also fine, I'd be open to backing the Republicans, depending on the candidate, if Feingold wins.

Who would you back over Feingold? Pataki, maybe Johnson or Bush?
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« Reply #149 on: July 07, 2020, 03:28:09 AM »

My preference:

1. Fmr. VP Al Gore (D-TN)
2. Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE)
3. Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
4. Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN)
5. Gov. Phil Bredesen (D-TN)
6. Gov. Tom Vilsack (D-IA)
7. Sen. Barack Obama  (D-IL)
8. Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI)
9. Gov. Janet Napolitano (D-AZ)
10. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT)
11. Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM)
12. Fmr. Gov. Gary Locke (D-WA)
13. Fmr. Sen. John Edwards (D-NC)
14. Fmr. Sen. Mike Gravel (D-AK)
15. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)

1. Fmr. Gov. George Pataki (R-NY)
2. Fmr. First Lady Laura Bush (R-TX)
3. Fmr. Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
4. Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA)
5. Sen. Sam Brownback (R-TX)
6. Fmr. Gov. Gary Johnson (R-NM)
7. Fmr. President Dick Cheney (R-WY)
8. President Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)
9. Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO)
10. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)
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