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« Reply #1700 on: November 10, 2021, 06:57:11 PM »
« edited: November 10, 2021, 07:01:41 PM by Frank »

Thank you for your lack of interest in my breakdown of the Conservative shadow cabinet. I hate you all.  Smile   Angel
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« Reply #1701 on: November 11, 2021, 03:59:09 PM »

Thank you for your lack of interest in my breakdown of the Conservative shadow cabinet. I hate you all.  Smile   Angel

I think shadow cabinets get little attention as have little power.  Also if Tories do win next election (which isn't looking likely at moment but lots can happen), its likely actual cabinet would be different.  Smaller as well as it will mean more MPs so probably fewer from Alberta and Saskatchewan while more form provinces they didn't do so well in. 

Pierre Poilievre is most interesting one, but my guess is O'Toole worries he might challenges his leadership so probably more keep your friends close and keep your enemies even closer.
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« Reply #1702 on: November 12, 2021, 06:08:49 PM »

Not surprsing to see the Prairies and rest of Canada split on the question of capping oil and gas emissions

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Sixty-three per cent of respondents to a Nanos Research poll said they agree or somewhat agree that Canada should immediately limit emissions from the oil and gas sector and curtail them over time. Thirty-four per cent said they either disagree or somewhat disagree, and 3 per cent said they are unsure.

The poll, conducted for The Globe and Mail, also shows the country is “fundamentally divided” between the Prairie provinces and the rest of Canada, Nanos Research founder Nik Nanos said. As such, it reveals the political calculus for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as his government plans to implement a cap on emissions from the oil and gas sector, Mr. Nanos added, because the regions with the most support for such a cap are also Liberal strongholds.

The regional breakdown reveals a gulf between the main producers of oil and gas and other regions. In the Prairies, 57 per cent of respondents said they disagree or somewhat disagree with limiting emissions, whereas Quebec had the lowest level of dissent, with just 16 per cent not in favour. In Atlantic Canada and British Columbia, 29 per cent and 30 per cent, respectively, said they oppose a cap.


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-nearly-two-thirds-of-canadians-support-oil-and-gas-emissions-cap-even/
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« Reply #1703 on: November 14, 2021, 04:15:48 PM »

Does anyone here know if anybody has tried to map the results of the last Quebec election onto the federal constituencies? I'm curious about a few things.
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« Reply #1704 on: November 14, 2021, 06:13:53 PM »

Tl;dr I would once again like to remind everyone that Erin O'Toole has another party on his right flank. Tongue

So how safe would you say O'Toole's position is overall after the election?

I'd echo Miles 50/50 comment.

O'Toole is unpopular with the base and caucus but there isn't an obvious candidate to stick the knife in, much less replace him. My contacts tell me that the socons are nervous that O'Toole will be replaced by someone worse for us (e.g. Poillievre) and don't want to push for a change.
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« Reply #1705 on: November 15, 2021, 03:44:54 PM »
« Edited: November 15, 2021, 03:52:34 PM by RogueBeaver »

Party president has said the petition is out of order because it violates the party constitution, which leaves rebels with the traditional options they don't wanna use.
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« Reply #1706 on: November 16, 2021, 07:54:35 PM »

Batters has been expelled from caucus.
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« Reply #1707 on: November 17, 2021, 08:18:33 AM »

Annamie Paul has apparently left the Green Party?
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« Reply #1708 on: November 17, 2021, 11:10:18 AM »

Annamie Paul has apparently left the Green Party?

At the same time she finally resigned leadership (which was actually last week).
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« Reply #1709 on: November 17, 2021, 01:33:24 PM »

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« Reply #1710 on: November 18, 2021, 11:15:26 PM »

Who is the most extreme member of the Canadian Conservative Party?

Who is the MTG or Gohmert of the party? Do they give Erin O'Toole a hard time?
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« Reply #1711 on: November 19, 2021, 12:18:09 PM »

Who is the most extreme member of the Canadian Conservative Party?

Who is the MTG or Gohmert of the party? Do they give Erin O'Toole a hard time?

It's Cheryl Gallant and yes.
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« Reply #1712 on: November 22, 2021, 10:03:14 AM »

Speaker election today, 7 candidates.

Anthony Rota (Liberal, MP for Nipissing-Temiskaming 2004-2011 and since 2015; incumbent Speaker since 2019)
Alexandra Mendès (Liberal, MP for Brossard-La Prairie 2008-2011 and Brossard--Saint-Lambert since 2015; Assistant Deputy Speaker since 2019)
Marc Dalton (Conservative, MP for Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge since 2019; BC Liberal MLA for Maple Ridge-Mission 2009-2017)
Chris d'Entremont (Conservative, MP for West Nova since 2019; PC MHA for Argyle 2003-2013, Argyle-Barrington 2013-2019; former provincial Cabinet minister)
Joël Godin (Conservative, MP for Portneuf--Jacques-Cartier since 2015)
Carol Hughes (NDP, MP for Algoma-Manitoulin-Kapuskasing since 2008; Assistant Deputy Speaker since 2015
Elizabeth May (Green, MP for Saanich-Gulf Islands since 2011; Green Party leader 2006-2019)
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« Reply #1713 on: November 22, 2021, 10:08:47 AM »

Speaker election today, 7 candidates.

Anthony Rota (Liberal, MP for Nipissing-Temiskaming 2004-2011 and since 2015; incumbent Speaker since 2019)
Alexandra Mendès (Liberal, MP for Brossard-La Prairie 2008-2011 and Brossard--Saint-Lambert since 2015; Assistant Deputy Speaker since 2019)
Marc Dalton (Conservative, MP for Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge since 2019; BC Liberal MLA for Maple Ridge-Mission 2009-2017)
Chris d'Entremont (Conservative, MP for West Nova since 2019; PC MHA for Argyle 2003-2013, Argyle-Barrington 2013-2019; former provincial Cabinet minister)
Joël Godin (Conservative, MP for Portneuf--Jacques-Cartier since 2015)
Carol Hughes (NDP, MP for Algoma-Manitoulin-Kapuskasing since 2008; Assistant Deputy Speaker since 2015
Elizabeth May (Green, MP for Saanich-Gulf Islands since 2011; Green Party leader 2006-2019)

Interesting in that if Elizabeth May becomes Speaker that could be the death knell for the party at the federal level.  They have the one other M.P in Kitchener, Mike Morrice, but he doesn't seem to be interested in running for the leadership, and, while this is purely speculation on my part, he seems to be more of a pragmatic environmentalist, the exact sort of person the Liberals would attempt to woo to their party.
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« Reply #1714 on: November 22, 2021, 01:11:54 PM »

Speaker election today, 7 candidates.

Anthony Rota (Liberal, MP for Nipissing-Temiskaming 2004-2011 and since 2015; incumbent Speaker since 2019)
Alexandra Mendès (Liberal, MP for Brossard-La Prairie 2008-2011 and Brossard--Saint-Lambert since 2015; Assistant Deputy Speaker since 2019)
Marc Dalton (Conservative, MP for Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge since 2019; BC Liberal MLA for Maple Ridge-Mission 2009-2017)
Chris d'Entremont (Conservative, MP for West Nova since 2019; PC MHA for Argyle 2003-2013, Argyle-Barrington 2013-2019; former provincial Cabinet minister)
Joël Godin (Conservative, MP for Portneuf--Jacques-Cartier since 2015)
Carol Hughes (NDP, MP for Algoma-Manitoulin-Kapuskasing since 2008; Assistant Deputy Speaker since 2015
Elizabeth May (Green, MP for Saanich-Gulf Islands since 2011; Green Party leader 2006-2019)

Interesting in that if Elizabeth May becomes Speaker that could be the death knell for the party at the federal level.  They have the one other M.P in Kitchener, Mike Morrice, but he doesn't seem to be interested in running for the leadership, and, while this is purely speculation on my part, he seems to be more of a pragmatic environmentalist, the exact sort of person the Liberals would attempt to woo to their party.

May stepping down from leadership in 2019, with hopes of pursuing the Speakership, is what killed the party already. Atwin's gone, Manly (Nanaimo–Ladysmith) lost re-election earlier this year, and Morrice's win was of course only due to the Liberal in his riding not being viable. Paul's leadership was a disaster from which the party doesn't seem fit to recover.
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« Reply #1715 on: November 22, 2021, 02:10:21 PM »

Like always on the anglophone generals, major news pieces are left out by those who want to hide the truth

Canada’s Indigenous communities brave police violence to block pipeline project
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Indigenous groups in Canada resisting a multi-billion dollar pipeline are yet again facing a crackdown. On Thursday, November 18, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) arrested 15 people and attempted to disrupt an Indigenous-led blockade of a drill site. Among those arrested were two community elders, three legal observers and a journalist.

The latest crackdown comes just days after the Gidimt’en clan members of the Wet’suwet’en tribe sent out a notice to the employees of TC Energy’s Coastal GasLink (CGL) pipeline, on November 14. The stand-off between CGL and Indigenous protesters also led to several workers being stranded at the drill site.

Clan members and elders have for weeks been holding a blockade at the drillsite at Coyote Camp, which falls within the Indigenous Wet’suwet’en lands. After the evacuation notice was handed out, CGL was given eight hours time to vacate Wet’suwet’en land.

But according to Gidimt’en activists, who have been manning the blockade at Coyote Camp, not only did the pipeline company request a two-hour extension as a stalling tactic, they also did not inform their employees of the situation, leaving them stranded. The RCMP was also kept in the loop about the evacuation and also the two-hour extension that was granted to CGL for a peaceful exit.
Stop the invasions on the land. Stop Trudeau’s anti-indigenous agenda and the sellouts at the LNG “Alliance”
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« Reply #1716 on: November 22, 2021, 02:14:29 PM »

Like always on the anglophone generals, major news pieces are left out by those who want to hide the truth

Canada’s Indigenous communities brave police violence to block pipeline project
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Indigenous groups in Canada resisting a multi-billion dollar pipeline are yet again facing a crackdown. On Thursday, November 18, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) arrested 15 people and attempted to disrupt an Indigenous-led blockade of a drill site. Among those arrested were two community elders, three legal observers and a journalist.

The latest crackdown comes just days after the Gidimt’en clan members of the Wet’suwet’en tribe sent out a notice to the employees of TC Energy’s Coastal GasLink (CGL) pipeline, on November 14. The stand-off between CGL and Indigenous protesters also led to several workers being stranded at the drill site.

Clan members and elders have for weeks been holding a blockade at the drillsite at Coyote Camp, which falls within the Indigenous Wet’suwet’en lands. After the evacuation notice was handed out, CGL was given eight hours time to vacate Wet’suwet’en land.

But according to Gidimt’en activists, who have been manning the blockade at Coyote Camp, not only did the pipeline company request a two-hour extension as a stalling tactic, they also did not inform their employees of the situation, leaving them stranded. The RCMP was also kept in the loop about the evacuation and also the two-hour extension that was granted to CGL for a peaceful exit.
Stop the invasions on the land. Stop Trudeau’s anti-indigenous agenda and the sellouts at the LNG “Alliance”

What is anti-Indigenous is to recognize those self-proclaimed "traditional" governments instead of the governments elected by the Indigenous themselves.
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« Reply #1717 on: November 22, 2021, 03:29:31 PM »

Like always on the anglophone generals, major news pieces are left out by those who want to hide the truth

Canada’s Indigenous communities brave police violence to block pipeline project
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Indigenous groups in Canada resisting a multi-billion dollar pipeline are yet again facing a crackdown. On Thursday, November 18, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) arrested 15 people and attempted to disrupt an Indigenous-led blockade of a drill site. Among those arrested were two community elders, three legal observers and a journalist.

The latest crackdown comes just days after the Gidimt’en clan members of the Wet’suwet’en tribe sent out a notice to the employees of TC Energy’s Coastal GasLink (CGL) pipeline, on November 14. The stand-off between CGL and Indigenous protesters also led to several workers being stranded at the drill site.

Clan members and elders have for weeks been holding a blockade at the drillsite at Coyote Camp, which falls within the Indigenous Wet’suwet’en lands. After the evacuation notice was handed out, CGL was given eight hours time to vacate Wet’suwet’en land.

But according to Gidimt’en activists, who have been manning the blockade at Coyote Camp, not only did the pipeline company request a two-hour extension as a stalling tactic, they also did not inform their employees of the situation, leaving them stranded. The RCMP was also kept in the loop about the evacuation and also the two-hour extension that was granted to CGL for a peaceful exit.
Stop the invasions on the land. Stop Trudeau’s anti-indigenous agenda and the sellouts at the LNG “Alliance”

What is anti-Indigenous is to recognize those self-proclaimed "traditional" governments instead of the governments elected by the Indigenous themselves.
The participants are not just the tribal chiefs but many who don’t want to drink poisoned water. Clearly there’s disconnect between the many politicians who sell out to forces responsible for the environmental pollution on indigenous lands and those who shielded the murder of those forces into boarding schools.
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« Reply #1718 on: November 22, 2021, 04:47:08 PM »

Speaker election today, 7 candidates.

Anthony Rota (Liberal, MP for Nipissing-Temiskaming 2004-2011 and since 2015; incumbent Speaker since 2019)
Alexandra Mendès (Liberal, MP for Brossard-La Prairie 2008-2011 and Brossard--Saint-Lambert since 2015; Assistant Deputy Speaker since 2019)
Marc Dalton (Conservative, MP for Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge since 2019; BC Liberal MLA for Maple Ridge-Mission 2009-2017)
Chris d'Entremont (Conservative, MP for West Nova since 2019; PC MHA for Argyle 2003-2013, Argyle-Barrington 2013-2019; former provincial Cabinet minister)
Joël Godin (Conservative, MP for Portneuf--Jacques-Cartier since 2015)
Carol Hughes (NDP, MP for Algoma-Manitoulin-Kapuskasing since 2008; Assistant Deputy Speaker since 2015
Elizabeth May (Green, MP for Saanich-Gulf Islands since 2011; Green Party leader 2006-2019)

Interesting in that if Elizabeth May becomes Speaker that could be the death knell for the party at the federal level.  They have the one other M.P in Kitchener, Mike Morrice, but he doesn't seem to be interested in running for the leadership, and, while this is purely speculation on my part, he seems to be more of a pragmatic environmentalist, the exact sort of person the Liberals would attempt to woo to their party.

and Rota is reelected.
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« Reply #1719 on: November 24, 2021, 01:33:56 AM »

There were an additional 28 deputy shadow ministers for a grand total of 83 in the official opposition shadow cabinet or caucus officers.

These are the 36 Conservative M.Ps left out:
British Columbia
1.Rob Morrison
2.Mark Strahl
3.Mark Dalton

Alberta
4.Chris Warkentin
5.Shannon Stubbs
6.Rachael Harder
7.Glen Motz
8.Arnold Viersen
9.Earl Dreeshen
10.Gerald Soroka
11.Michael Cooper
12.Greg McLean
13.Len Webber
14.Bob Benzen
15.Pat Kelly
16.Tom Kmiec
17.Ron Liepert

Saskatchewan
18.Rosemarie Falk
19.Kelly Block
20.Jeremy Patzer
21.Robert Kitchener
22.Cathay Wagantall
23.Michael Kram

Manitoba
24.Dan Mazier
25.Ted Falk
26.Marty Morantz

Ontario
27.Cheryl Gallant
28.Alex Ruff
29.Kyle Seeback
30.Dean Allison
31.Leslyn Lewis
32.Dave MacKenzie
33.Marilyn Gladu
34.Colin Carrie

Quebec
35.Joel Godin

New Brunswick
36.John Williamson
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« Reply #1720 on: November 24, 2021, 11:17:25 AM »

There were an additional 28 deputy shadow ministers for a grand total of 83 in the official opposition shadow cabinet or caucus officers.

These are the 36 Conservative M.Ps left out:
British Columbia
1.Rob Morrison
2.Mark Strahl
3.Mark Dalton

Alberta
4.Chris Warkentin
5.Shannon Stubbs
6.Rachael Harder
7.Glen Motz
8.Arnold Viersen
9.Earl Dreeshen
10.Gerald Soroka
11.Michael Cooper
12.Greg McLean
13.Len Webber
14.Bob Benzen
15.Pat Kelly
16.Tom Kmiec
17.Ron Liepert

Saskatchewan
18.Rosemarie Falk
19.Kelly Block
20.Jeremy Patzer
21.Robert Kitchener
22.Cathay Wagantall
23.Michael Kram

Manitoba
24.Dan Mazier
25.Ted Falk
26.Marty Morantz

Ontario
27.Cheryl Gallant
28.Alex Ruff
29.Kyle Seeback
30.Dean Allison
31.Leslyn Lewis
32.Dave MacKenzie
33.Marilyn Gladu
34.Colin Carrie

Quebec
35.Joel Godin

New Brunswick
36.John Williamson

Some of them are not really left out, as the Deputy Speaker (Bruce Stanton retired, so maybe Joel Godin or Marc Dalton?) is not named yet, neither are commission chairs (Warkentin was Ethics chair, Gladu was Status of Women chair (through I assume she will be replaced), Kitchen (not Kitchener) was chair of Government Operations, Block was chair of Public Accounts and Allison was co-chair of Regulations).
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« Reply #1721 on: November 24, 2021, 12:58:19 PM »

There were an additional 28 deputy shadow ministers for a grand total of 83 in the official opposition shadow cabinet or caucus officers.

These are the 36 Conservative M.Ps left out:
British Columbia
1.Rob Morrison
2.Mark Strahl
3.Mark Dalton

Alberta
4.Chris Warkentin
5.Shannon Stubbs
6.Rachael Harder
7.Glen Motz
8.Arnold Viersen
9.Earl Dreeshen
10.Gerald Soroka
11.Michael Cooper
12.Greg McLean
13.Len Webber
14.Bob Benzen
15.Pat Kelly
16.Tom Kmiec
17.Ron Liepert

Saskatchewan
18.Rosemarie Falk
19.Kelly Block
20.Jeremy Patzer
21.Robert Kitchener
22.Cathay Wagantall
23.Michael Kram

Manitoba
24.Dan Mazier
25.Ted Falk
26.Marty Morantz

Ontario
27.Cheryl Gallant
28.Alex Ruff
29.Kyle Seeback
30.Dean Allison
31.Leslyn Lewis
32.Dave MacKenzie
33.Marilyn Gladu
34.Colin Carrie

Quebec
35.Joel Godin

New Brunswick
36.John Williamson

Looks like a lot of the more anti-vax and right wing types were left out so perhaps an implicit signal O'Toole is not happy with them, but doesn't want a direct fight as might hurt his leadership
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« Reply #1722 on: November 24, 2021, 10:07:23 PM »

There were an additional 28 deputy shadow ministers for a grand total of 83 in the official opposition shadow cabinet or caucus officers.

These are the 36 Conservative M.Ps left out:
British Columbia
1.Rob Morrison
2.Mark Strahl
3.Mark Dalton

Alberta
4.Chris Warkentin
5.Shannon Stubbs
6.Rachael Harder
7.Glen Motz
8.Arnold Viersen
9.Earl Dreeshen
10.Gerald Soroka
11.Michael Cooper
12.Greg McLean
13.Len Webber
14.Bob Benzen
15.Pat Kelly
16.Tom Kmiec
17.Ron Liepert

Saskatchewan
18.Rosemarie Falk
19.Kelly Block
20.Jeremy Patzer
21.Robert Kitchener
22.Cathay Wagantall
23.Michael Kram

Manitoba
24.Dan Mazier
25.Ted Falk
26.Marty Morantz

Ontario
27.Cheryl Gallant
28.Alex Ruff
29.Kyle Seeback
30.Dean Allison
31.Leslyn Lewis
32.Dave MacKenzie
33.Marilyn Gladu
34.Colin Carrie

Quebec
35.Joel Godin

New Brunswick
36.John Williamson

Looks like a lot of the more anti-vax and right wing types were left out so perhaps an implicit signal O'Toole is not happy with them, but doesn't want a direct fight as might hurt his leadership

I don't think it's even that implicit. For someone who has been so willing to play around with his political identity/brand in the past, he seems pretty set on staying in the moderate lane he charted out in this past election, and leaving out the likes of Cooper, Gallant, and even his leadership kingmaker Leslyn Lewis seems like a pretty clear expression of that intent. He's not necessarily purging the right wing of the CPC, but the more loony parts of that wing that like to bring up abortion, anti-LGBT stuff, and anti-vaxx rhetoric (I think the latter is the main reason why Lewis was left out).

Pierre Poilievre and Candice Bergen are the obvious right-wing darlings who got good positions in the shadow cabinet, but he needs the big base-pleasers on his side, and he certainly can't afford to antagonize members like Poilievre and Bergen who have strong enough brands to challenge his leadership.
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« Reply #1723 on: November 25, 2021, 12:39:39 AM »
« Edited: November 25, 2021, 12:45:08 AM by Frank »

There were an additional 28 deputy shadow ministers for a grand total of 83 in the official opposition shadow cabinet or caucus officers.

These are the 36 Conservative M.Ps left out:
British Columbia
1.Rob Morrison
2.Mark Strahl
3.Mark Dalton

Alberta
4.Chris Warkentin
5.Shannon Stubbs
6.Rachael Harder
7.Glen Motz
8.Arnold Viersen
9.Earl Dreeshen
10.Gerald Soroka
11.Michael Cooper
12.Greg McLean
13.Len Webber
14.Bob Benzen
15.Pat Kelly
16.Tom Kmiec
17.Ron Liepert

Saskatchewan
18.Rosemarie Falk
19.Kelly Block
20.Jeremy Patzer
21.Robert Kitchen
22.Cathay Wagantall
23.Michael Kram

Manitoba
24.Dan Mazier
25.Ted Falk
26.Marty Morantz

Ontario
27.Cheryl Gallant
28.Alex Ruff
29.Kyle Seeback
30.Dean Allison
31.Leslyn Lewis
32.Dave MacKenzie
33.Marilyn Gladu
34.Colin Carrie

Quebec
35.Joel Godin

New Brunswick
36.John Williamson

Some of them are not really left out, as the Deputy Speaker (Bruce Stanton retired, so maybe Joel Godin or Marc Dalton?) is not named yet, neither are commission chairs (Warkentin was Ethics chair, Gladu was Status of Women chair (through I assume she will be replaced), Kitchen (not Kitchener) was chair of Government Operations, Block was chair of Public Accounts and Allison was co-chair of Regulations).

Yes, thanks for this addition. I was thinking of mentioning something like that but I couldn't find out all the Conservative M.Ps who have been offside with O'Toole, so I decided to just write up the list of those not included and let that speak for itself.

A few points though now that you've added some of the names

1.In terms of Assistant or Deputy Speakers, for what it's worth if anything, Marc Dalton was an Assistant Deputy Speaker in the B.C legislature for at least part of 2013-2017.

2.Rob Merrifield and probably a couple others were members of the National Security (oversight) Committee which the Conservatives quit in protest to some Liberal government action.  It is possible the Conservatives will either rejoin or will negotiate to try to rejoin.

3.Thanks for the information on the Conservative M.Ps who were committee chairs in the last Parliament.  Of course, I wouldn't expect Dean Allison to be reappointed as he has gone full 'antivax.'  (Never go full antivax.)

I also wouldn't expect Chris Warkentin to receive any position as he, along with the similarly left out Shannon Stubbs, have both been critical of Erin O'Toole's leadership.

4.On the other side, I'm familiar with at least Ron Liepert and Marty Morantz who have been supportive of Erin O'Toole's leadership, so I'm surprised they weren't appointed to any shadow cabinet positions, especially since both are senior politicians.  Liepert might have been left out due to his age (72) but he is a former Alberta Finance Minister, while Morantz is just one of 13 lawyers in the Conservative caucus.  

Morantz was also a Winnipeg City Councilor and chair of its finance committee.  Two Winnipeg City Council finance committee chairs have gone on to higher office: Greg Selinger first as Finance Minister under Gary Doer and then as Premier, and Scott Fielding, the current Finance Minister.  Former Manitoba Premier Gary Filmon was also previously a Winnipeg City Councilor. While he wasn't the finance committee chair (if the position existed at that time) he was on the Winnipeg city council executive committee.

5.It is interesting though, I think, that 14 of those left out (so far) are Albertans.  That's almost half (14/30) of the Alberta Conservative caucus.

I also agree that with the other comments that there seem to be three 'buckets' of those who were left out:  1.those critical of Erin O'Toole, 2.the anti vaxxers 3.at least some of the overtly religious right.  I believe about half of the Conservative caucus voted against the Conversion Therapy ban in the last Parliament, so obviously many who voted against it have Shadow Cabinet positions, but it does seem that many if not all of the most vocal against it have been left out.
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« Reply #1724 on: November 25, 2021, 12:38:50 PM »
« Edited: November 25, 2021, 12:48:02 PM by MaxQue »

There were an additional 28 deputy shadow ministers for a grand total of 83 in the official opposition shadow cabinet or caucus officers.

These are the 36 Conservative M.Ps left out:
British Columbia
1.Rob Morrison
2.Mark Strahl
3.Mark Dalton

Alberta
4.Chris Warkentin
5.Shannon Stubbs
6.Rachael Harder
7.Glen Motz
8.Arnold Viersen
9.Earl Dreeshen
10.Gerald Soroka
11.Michael Cooper
12.Greg McLean
13.Len Webber
14.Bob Benzen
15.Pat Kelly
16.Tom Kmiec
17.Ron Liepert

Saskatchewan
18.Rosemarie Falk
19.Kelly Block
20.Jeremy Patzer
21.Robert Kitchen
22.Cathay Wagantall
23.Michael Kram

Manitoba
24.Dan Mazier
25.Ted Falk
26.Marty Morantz

Ontario
27.Cheryl Gallant
28.Alex Ruff
29.Kyle Seeback
30.Dean Allison
31.Leslyn Lewis
32.Dave MacKenzie
33.Marilyn Gladu
34.Colin Carrie

Quebec
35.Joel Godin

New Brunswick
36.John Williamson

Some of them are not really left out, as the Deputy Speaker (Bruce Stanton retired, so maybe Joel Godin or Marc Dalton?) is not named yet, neither are commission chairs (Warkentin was Ethics chair, Gladu was Status of Women chair (through I assume she will be replaced), Kitchen (not Kitchener) was chair of Government Operations, Block was chair of Public Accounts and Allison was co-chair of Regulations).

Yes, thanks for this addition. I was thinking of mentioning something like that but I couldn't find out all the Conservative M.Ps who have been offside with O'Toole, so I decided to just write up the list of those not included and let that speak for itself.

A few points though now that you've added some of the names

1.In terms of Assistant or Deputy Speakers, for what it's worth if anything, Marc Dalton was an Assistant Deputy Speaker in the B.C legislature for at least part of 2013-2017.

2.Rob Merrifield and probably a couple others were members of the National Security (oversight) Committee which the Conservatives quit in protest to some Liberal government action.  It is possible the Conservatives will either rejoin or will negotiate to try to rejoin.

3.Thanks for the information on the Conservative M.Ps who were committee chairs in the last Parliament.  Of course, I wouldn't expect Dean Allison to be reappointed as he has gone full 'antivax.'  (Never go full antivax.)

I also wouldn't expect Chris Warkentin to receive any position as he, along with the similarly left out Shannon Stubbs, have both been critical of Erin O'Toole's leadership.

4.On the other side, I'm familiar with at least Ron Liepert and Marty Morantz who have been supportive of Erin O'Toole's leadership, so I'm surprised they weren't appointed to any shadow cabinet positions, especially since both are senior politicians.  Liepert might have been left out due to his age (72) but he is a former Alberta Finance Minister, while Morantz is just one of 13 lawyers in the Conservative caucus.  

Morantz was also a Winnipeg City Councilor and chair of its finance committee.  Two Winnipeg City Council finance committee chairs have gone on to higher office: Greg Selinger first as Finance Minister under Gary Doer and then as Premier, and Scott Fielding, the current Finance Minister.  Former Manitoba Premier Gary Filmon was also previously a Winnipeg City Councilor. While he wasn't the finance committee chair (if the position existed at that time) he was on the Winnipeg city council executive committee.

5.It is interesting though, I think, that 14 of those left out (so far) are Albertans.  That's almost half (14/30) of the Alberta Conservative caucus.

I also agree that with the other comments that there seem to be three 'buckets' of those who were left out:  1.those critical of Erin O'Toole, 2.the anti vaxxers 3.at least some of the overtly religious right.  I believe about half of the Conservative caucus voted against the Conversion Therapy ban in the last Parliament, so obviously many who voted against it have Shadow Cabinet positions, but it does seem that many if not all of the most vocal against it have been left out.

Deputy Speaker will be Chris d'Entremont. Also, the Conservatives didn't resign from the Committee, they are boycotting it, instead.
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