Mueller report thread - Mueller testimony July 24

[ProudModerate2]

Russia, Russia, Russia!
Oh wait....

You say "Oh wait" because you forgot about Flynn, didn't you?
We understand your error.
(President Trump’s former national security advisor, Lt. General Michael Flynn, was secretly communicating with Russian officials at the same time Russia was attacking our democracy. Flynn pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his communications with Russia. His final sentencing and more than likely prison-time, will be decided very soon.)

"The special counsel’s investigation was long, thorough and conclusive: There was no collusion."

Make up your mind.
Is it "Russia, Russia, Russia" or "collusion?"
You seem to change the (your) topic, when you realize you are wrong.

[gerritcole]

DELUSIONAL DEMS are devastated by the presidents exoneration. I’m sure they’ll start up a new witch hunt soon tho. The average voter is over the entire Russia collusion/ trump. Is illegitimate bullsh**t. Economy is booming and so are re-election chances

How many times are you going to repeat the (almost) same post over and over again.
You sound like a (trolling) parrot.
Do you want a cracker or something?

Dem hack calling me a troll is rich

[gerritcole]

Russia, Russia, Russia!
Oh wait....

You say "Oh wait" because you forgot about Flynn, didn't you?
We understand your error.
(President Trump’s former national security advisor, Lt. General Michael Flynn, was secretly communicating with Russian officials at the same time Russia was attacking our democracy. Flynn pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his communications with Russia. His final sentencing and more than likely prison-time, will be decided very soon.)

"The special counsel’s investigation was long, thorough and conclusive: There was no collusion."

Make up your mind.
Is it "Russia, Russia, Russia" or "collusion?"
You seem to change the (your) topic, when you realize you are wrong.

No matter the topic it’s all a witch-hunt

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Russia, Russia, Russia!

Oh wait....

Uh, the letter itself claims what we know to be true, that Russia DID try to influence the election. The investigation was about potential involvement with the Trump campaign. Finding no evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians doesn't change the fact that we know that Russia did try to interfere to elect Trump.

Now, Democrats shouldn't run on this in 2020, but it's not like Russia did nothing wrong.

Yes. The Russian interference was a factor, but hardly a single factor. Democrats can't play this card forever and ignore the lessons of 2016.

[pbrower2a]

Barr's cover letter is itself a cover-up. Maybe it is just his biased interpretation. Yeah, sure, the Russians did it all on behalf of Trump, but Trump had nothing to do with it. Nice kitty, nice kitty -- wouldn't hurt a mouse. 

How were the federal courts able to get so many convictions out of this investigation if there were nothing behind it?

Witch-hunt? An understatement. Real witches, at least as adjudicated by the legal process of the time of the persecution of imagined witches, could never do the horrible things of which they were accused of. We have some sophisticated operators being convicted of very bad stuff.

The President cannot use national security as a cover for official misconduct or personal wrong-doing.

Think of what significance exists if it is 'only the Russians' with minor aid by some Americans misguided by their ideology. If the Russians could alter the results of our Presidential elections, then think of what was possible with others. Republicans did far better in House and Senate elections in 2016. OK, the House elections of 2018 are obviously moot now, but the Republicans may have a majority in the Senate in part because they were able to hold onto all but two gains in the wave election of 2010. We are stuck with such until 2022.

No, Donald Trump is not at fault. Nice kitty, nice kitty -- wouldn't hurt a mouse!

[The Dowager Mod]

“The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’”

[cinyc]

Russia, Russia, Russia!
Oh wait....

You say "Oh wait" because you forgot about Flynn, didn't you?
We understand your error.
(President Trump’s former national security advisor, Lt. General Michael Flynn, was secretly communicating with Russian officials at the same time Russia was attacking our democracy. Flynn pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his communications with Russia. His final sentencing and more than likely prison-time, will be decided very soon.)

"The special counsel’s investigation was long, thorough and conclusive: There was no collusion."

Make up your mind.
Is it "Russia, Russia, Russia" or "collusion?"
You seem to change the (your) topic, when you realize you are wrong.

They are one and the same.

I was assured by you, most of the red avatars here, Adam Schiff, Jerrold Nadler and a bunch of Democratic Congressmen, MSNBC, CNN, The Washington Post, The New York Times, and the rest of the "mainstream media" that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia, Russia, Russia! in the 2016 election. I repeat again:

“The Special Counsel’s investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 US Presidential Election.”

Russia, Russia, Russia! is all about alleged collusion with the Trump campaign. "There was no collusion." Russia's inept attempt to spend a pittance on Facebook ads, when compared to the Clinton campaign, didn't sway anyone.

And I doubt it was the Russians who advised Hillary not to visit Wisconsin.

[7,052,770]

So it's pretty safe to assume that Barr swept something under the rug if we don't get the full report, right?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Once a Dem is elected, we need an independent commission to uncover what happened in 2016. Its clear, like in 1968 with the JFK assassination and 1972 with Watergate and 2016, the FBI with Hoover to Mueller dont want a cold war with Russia.

Moreover, the committee must have access to Trump tax records authorized by the Crts

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

The report (or Barr's interpretation of it) seems to me like a really, really good stuff for Trump who will benefit a lot because of high expectations (threeeeason) that the talking heads in mainstream media and Democrats (Adam Schiff, oh my god) etc have set.

I think that some "swing-voters" would think that Trump was right. Witch Hunt (seriously, but not literally). Not by Mueller who has done a great job, but by MSM, Dems and "deep state" (John Brennan, oh my god) etc.

According to rcp Trump have had 43-44% approval rating since May 2018. I'd guess that Trump will get a bump of 1-2%. So let's say 45-46% - still awful, but the path to the reelection becomes real enough. Especially if Biden isn't the nominee of Democrats (ha!). We'll find out it soon enough.

[GP270watch]

 This is going to backfire against Trump. Many swing voters have already soured on Trump. It just looks like what they know couldn't be confirmed probably because there were no tapes.

 Remember when Trump jumped out of the blue and said Obama had wiretapped his campaign and Trump Towers, why do you think he said that? He was looking to poison the only probable evidence that could confirm he conspired directly.

[Xing]

"Wow, I hated Trump and everything he stood for, didn't vote for him in 2016, and voted Democratic in 2018, but an investigation against him that doesn't explicitly say that he's a criminal has made me decide to like and support him!" - Literally no voter ever

The 2020 election is a Toss-Up, and anyone trying to call it a foregone conclusion either way this far out is being ridiculous.

[Progressive Pessimist]

“The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’”

As important as that sentence is, no one is going to take it into account when Trump and the GOP dig their heels in and insist on 100% pure innocence. American voters don't take nuance very well and Trump has proven to be the first person to say something enough times and make it true, at least in terms of perceptions.

Face it, we're never hearing the end of this, and we deserve that for having expectations about the investigation that weren't grounded in reality as much as we may have thought.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Lovin' Every Minute Of It

[Reaganfan]

Scott Pelley just begin 60 Minutes by saying, "The Mueller Report findings completely exonerate President Donald Trump".

Today is a Reaganfan sort of day.

[The Dowager Mod]

I was never too hung up on Mueller, I am much more interested in what's coming from Letitia James.

[Fuzzy Bear]

The Democrats have to keep the investigations going through all channels possible. Look what happened with the Benghazi investigation - it appeared closed in July 2016 before a big fat apple (which had nothing to do with Benghazi) fell out at the last minute.

That's their plan.  And it could be a winner.  I do think that, at some point, folks are going to have Investigation Fatigue and recognize that if Congress is constantly embroiled in political investigations, there will be little energy spent in legislation designed to solve actual problems that actually affect real citizens.

[Hammy]

Scott Pelley just begin 60 Minutes by saying, "The Mueller Report findings completely exonerate President Donald Trump".

Today is a Reaganfan sort of day.

How when this is contrary Mueller and Barr stated?

[Reaganfan]

Scott Pelley just begin 60 Minutes by saying, "The Mueller Report findings completely exonerate President Donald Trump".

Today is a Reaganfan sort of day.

How when this is contrary Mueller and Barr stated?

[Fuzzy Bear]

Scott Pelley just begin 60 Minutes by saying, "The Mueller Report findings completely exonerate President Donald Trump".

Today is a Reaganfan sort of day.

How when this is contrary Mueller and Barr stated?

Firstly, prosecutors should not be making any statements regarding "exonerating" persons.

Secondly, there are no indictments, no "unindicted co-conspirators" named (Nixon was named an "unindicted co-conspirator") and no plans for indictments.  None.  And this was a criminal investigation; indeed, it was THE criminal investigation, since DoJ was pushed aside. 

[DrScholl]

Scott Pelley just begin 60 Minutes by saying, "The Mueller Report findings completely exonerate President Donald Trump".

Today is a Reaganfan sort of day.

That person is an irresponsible hack that should be fired for saying such a thing.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Scott Pelley just begin 60 Minutes by saying, "The Mueller Report findings completely exonerate President Donald Trump".

Today is a Reaganfan sort of day.

That person is an irresponsible hack that should be fired for saying such a thing.

That's the narrative though. It's set. Even if it isn't exactly true. It's similar with how the FBI investigating emails on Huma Abedin's computer automatically meant that Hillary Clinton was guilty after all, even as that wasn't necessarily true. That was how people perceived it though. This country has an endemic double standard that is destroying us from the inside and may help Trump win again in 2020.

[Hammy]

Scott Pelley just begin 60 Minutes by saying, "The Mueller Report findings completely exonerate President Donald Trump".

Today is a Reaganfan sort of day.

How when this is contrary Mueller and Barr stated?

Firstly, prosecutors should not be making any statements regarding "exonerating" persons.

Secondly, there are no indictments, no "unindicted co-conspirators" named (Nixon was named an "unindicted co-conspirator") and no plans for indictments.  None.  And this was a criminal investigation; indeed, it was THE criminal investigation, since DoJ was pushed aside. 

Except he isn't an "exonerated" person, if he was you wouldn't have had to put it in quotations in the first place. The investigation was, at best, inconclusive in the same sense that a hung jury is--there was (according to Barr) not enough evidence to formally indict, but enough there that Trump could've done it.

[Inmate Trump]

I accept Mueller's ultimate conclusion, which we now have available.  But the full report should be released.

Also, the president most certainly did attempt to obstruct justice.  Barr's personal conclusions are irrelevant and unimportant.  I want to see Mueller's full, uncensored report.

In any case, it seems like (again, without having the full report--which is a necessity) there was no collusion, and I accept that.  Provided the full report is released and confirms that, I think Trump just won reelection.

[Crumpets]

Scott Pelley just begin 60 Minutes by saying, "The Mueller Report findings completely exonerate President Donald Trump".

Today is a Reaganfan sort of day.

How when this is contrary Mueller and Barr stated?

60 Minutes also once ran a completely unsubstantiated story on Hillary negligence in Benghazi using one source they didn't vet at all and turned out to be a total fraud. Peddling Republican shock narratives is pretty much their bread and butter.