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« on: August 26, 2020, 06:20:12 PM »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/25/french-minister-defends-precious-right-to-sunbathe-topless

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France’s interior minister has defended the “precious” right to sunbathe topless on beaches, after police asked a group of women to cover up on the southern coast.

French gendarmes patrolling a beach in Mediterranean seaside town Sainte-Marie-la-Mer last week asked a group of topless sunbathers to cover up in response to a complaint from a family, the local gendarmerie said in a statement on Facebook.

It acknowledged their actions had been “clumsy” but said the officers only wanted to calm the situation, insisting there had been no official order to ban topless sunbathing in the town.

But their actions prompted an avalanche of criticism on social media, where users wondered if the practice was now out of bounds.

“Is Sainte-Marie-la-Mer now Saudi Arabia?” wondered one user, while others slammed a creeping “prudishness” in France.

“It was wrong that the women were warned about their clothing,” interior minister Gerald Darmanin wrote on Twitter.

“Freedom is something precious. And it is normal that officials can admit their mistakes.”

“You will always see me in uniform,” the spokeswoman of the French gendarmerie Maddy Scheurer wrote on Twitter. “But topless sunbathing is allowed on the beach at Sainte-Marie-la-Mer. It was clumsiness by two gendarmes who had the best intentions.”

Topless sunbathing in France is legally not considered to be sexual exhibitionism although it can be halted by local directives outlawing certain styles of dress.

But far from everyone in France takes their tops off on the beach these days and topless sunbathing has become less popular in recent years.

Surveys show that younger women are increasingly concerned about sexual harassment and body shaming on the beach.

Less than 20% of French women aged under 50 now sunbathe topless, compared with 28% 10 years ago and 43% in 1984, according to a recent survey by pollster Ifop of over 5,000 Europeans including 1,000 French.

This makes the French less willing to sunbathe topless than some other Europeans, with almost half of Spanish women saying they sunbathe topless and 34% of Germans.

Less than 20% of French women aged under 50 now sunbathe topless, compared with 28% 10 years ago and 43% in 1984, according to a recent survey by pollster Ifop of over 5,000 Europeans including 1,000 French.

This makes the French less willing to sunbathe topless than some other Europeans, with almost half of Spanish women saying they sunbathe topless and 34% of Germans.[/quote]


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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2020, 04:16:14 PM »

So what shift has resulted in these changes? Has the dominant societal forces shifted to more prudishness?

More phones with cameras.
Why would that lead to people being offended by others’ bodies?
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2020, 06:12:28 PM »

So what shift has resulted in these changes? Has the dominant societal forces shifted to more prudishness?

More phones with cameras.
Why would that lead to people being offended by others’ bodies?

Because they don’t want people they don’t know or don’t like taking pictures of them topless?
I’m not asking, “Why don’t women want to be topless?” I’m asking, “Why are people offended by others being topless?”
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