France General Discussion IV: Yellow Fever

[parochial boy]

What about the whole "abolish ENA" thing huh?

I must admit I am so torn between thinking it is an excellent idea, and thinking well, it's Macron so it's obviously a horrendous idea.

Better analysis is probably about what would replace it, and knowing what Macron's ideology is, it probably means recruiting a load of private sector types as haut fonctionnaires, with all their conflicts of interest and ideological "management" theories. Which is not exactly going to be better...

[Lechasseur]

What about the whole "abolish ENA" thing huh?

I must admit I am so torn between thinking it is an excellent idea, and thinking well, it's Macron so it's obviously a horrendous idea.

Better analysis is probably about what would replace it, and knowing what Macron's ideology is, it probably means recruiting a load of private sector types as haut fonctionnaires, with all their conflicts of interest and ideological "management" theories. Which is not exactly going to be better...

This.

Never trust Jupiter.

[rob in cal]

  Any more details about Macron saying more proportional representation will be introduced? I'm guessing for national elections? And does it have a legitimate chance for passage?

[Lechasseur]

  Any more details about Macron saying more proportional representation will be introduced? I'm guessing for national elections? And does it have a legitimate chance for passage?

I've heard nothing about, so it's surely going nowhere

[Lechasseur]

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/culture/arts-expos/architecture/notre-dame-de-paris-les-francais-majoritairement-opposes-a-une-loi-d-exception-pour-accelerer-la-reconstruction-selon-un-sondage_3435847.html?fbclid=IwAR2SujHYEfTl6s9KqQgT0ABD9YUx53VSLHmOm_rN3cEOgResAUWZMwTZnP4

Only LREM support rebuilding Notre Dame's roof and spire with a modern design, the rest of the country wants it restored the way it was.

[Lechasseur]

https://www.bfmtv.com/politique/europeennes-pour-marine-le-pen-macron-devra-partir-si-sa-liste-arrive-derriere-le-rassemblement-national-1688782.html?fbclid=IwAR3uhameW3nyt6uX3qWrYYIQqcyW1jLmSYxOyMc5OiJ6fFadppniiGxRHwk

"European Elections: For Marine Le Pen, Macron will have to leave if his lists finishes behind the RN"

[Lechasseur]

https://www.rtl.fr/actu/politique/macron-il-veut-transformer-les-europeennes-en-referendum-selon-mazerolle-7797602994?fbclid=IwAR1cMEingmdxLTQmpQXLfE-wFD_VJ4KkUwtMPJVsPWek4osyyVdY4J3O5Hk

Macron wants the European elections to be a referendum on him and his policies.

[CumbrianLefty]

Can't see how that could possibly go wrong, AT ALL.

[Lechasseur]

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/notre-dame-hidalgo-veut-une-renovation-a-l-identique-de-la-toiture-et-la-charpente-20190526?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3-GdnN9xkldBg737CTQuitbgQ5Dgr5KplKfcPEWA383vvJY2u3Nk8c5L8#Echobox=1558869035

Even the PS mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, wants Notre Dame restored identically to how it was before. Jupiter needs to listen.

[Tirnam]

Ifop poll, 2022 presidential election, first round

Macron: 30%
Le Pen: 28%
Jadot: 12%
Mélenchon: 9%
Wauquiez: 8%
Dupont-Aignan: 5%
Faure: 4%

https://www.parismatch.com/Actu/Politique/Sondage-intentions-de-vote-presidentielle-Macron-et-Le-Pen-largement-en-tete-au-premier-tour-1627135

[America Needs R'hllor]

Ifop poll, 2022 presidential election, first round

Macron: 30%
Le Pen: 28%
Jadot: 12%
Mélenchon: 9%
Wauquiez: 8%
Dupont-Aignan: 5%
Faure: 4%

https://www.parismatch.com/Actu/Politique/Sondage-intentions-de-vote-presidentielle-Macron-et-Le-Pen-largement-en-tete-au-premier-tour-1627135

The Greens becoming the main alternative of the French left would be a wonderful twist.

[Zinneke]

Ifop poll, 2022 presidential election, first round

Macron: 30%
Le Pen: 28%
Jadot: 12%
Mélenchon: 9%
Wauquiez: 8%
Dupont-Aignan: 5%
Faure: 4%

https://www.parismatch.com/Actu/Politique/Sondage-intentions-de-vote-presidentielle-Macron-et-Le-Pen-largement-en-tete-au-premier-tour-1627135

The Greens becoming the main alternative of the French left would be a wonderful twist.

Well they have JLM to thank for that.

[Lechasseur]

https://www.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/video/les-republicains-le-retour-de-nicolas-sarkozy-demande-apres-l-echec-aux-elections-europeennes-1165087.html?fbclid=IwAR1LLa6YPv_IxfsAYqevkF8GIgGrPX-F2PcbIZ0-s1Sjy1pnyJiZ20QT7WY

An increasing amount of LR voters and activists are asking for Sarkozy's return.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

https://www.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/video/les-republicains-le-retour-de-nicolas-sarkozy-demande-apres-l-echec-aux-elections-europeennes-1165087.html?fbclid=IwAR1LLa6YPv_IxfsAYqevkF8GIgGrPX-F2PcbIZ0-s1Sjy1pnyJiZ20QT7WY

An increasing amount of LR voters and activists are asking for Sarkozy's return.

Be hard to run a campaign while under house arrest, though.

[Lechasseur]

https://www.thelocal.fr/20190528/french-senate-says-notre-dame-must-be-restored-exactly-to-how-it-was?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&fbclid=IwAR2aFFGIb_O1rjm5Lv9kBbmzI4MxbFg41O0HcYs29j8MnTdYf71jDhrSg8E

The French Senate says Notre Dame must be restored exactly how it was

[Tirnam]

Laurent Wauquiez resigns as leader of LR.

[Lechasseur]

Laurent Wauquiez resigns as leader of LR.

You beat me to it

[Lechasseur]

https://www.rtl.fr/actu/politique/marion-marechal-le-rn-est-indispensable-a-la-vie-politique-mais-pas-suffisant-7797757739?fbclid=IwAR35Ns8BFkmT-i1fxiBs11fGghI-3CX5qC1jt193ZHRmux6PuqzH2hWgAdg

Marion Maréchal-Le Pen calls for a "grand coalition" between RN and the "popular right", considering that neither can make it on their own.

[parochial boy]

Really, I think LR's existential crisis is much worse than the PS's right now. As in there is always going to be a left-wing vote, as evidenced by the fact that, despite the complete éclatement of the left, they still got 35% combined at the Euro elections; and neither LFI or EELV really seem to offer enough to go the whole way (as in both Mélenchon and the greens have blown it in the past...).

While LR are stuck between a Macron who has sucked up pretty much all of the traditional "right" vote and RN. As in, they were barely eve above average in the ex-Catholic departments in the West. So who even votes for them any more? a handful of bcbg cathos in the Hauts-de-Seine, Yvelines and rich suburbs of Lyon and Paris?

[Lechasseur]

Really, I think LR's existential crisis is much worse than the PS's right now. As in there is always going to be a left-wing vote, as evidenced by the fact that, despite the complete éclatenent of the left, they still got 35% combined at the Euro elections; and neither LFI or EELV really seem to offer enough to go the whole way (as in both Mélenchon and the greens have blown it in the past...).

While LR are stuck between a Macron who has sucked up pretty much all of the traditional "right" vote and RN. As in, they were barely eve above average in the ex-Catholic departments in the West. So who even votes for them any more? a handful of bcbg cathos in the Hauts-de-Seine, Yvelines and rich suburbs of Lyon and Paris?

Good question. At anyrate up here I actually knew very few under 50s who voted for Macron in 2017. In my "social circle" there was a 3 way split between Fillon, Le Pen and Melenchon voters. I kind of lost interest in French politics after the election so I don't really ask my friends about it anymore, but I'd imagine the Fillon supporters I know are now split between RN and LREM.

At anyrate what I do know is us ex-LR supporters/reluctant LR supporters are all sick and tired of the factionalism, backstabbing and opportunism in LR, and I think that's lost the party a lot of its support, arguably more than being "sandwiched" between Macron and Le Pen.

[Lechasseur]

Really, I think LR's existential crisis is much worse than the PS's right now. As in there is always going to be a left-wing vote, as evidenced by the fact that, despite the complete éclatenent of the left, they still got 35% combined at the Euro elections; and neither LFI or EELV really seem to offer enough to go the whole way (as in both Mélenchon and the greens have blown it in the past...).

While LR are stuck between a Macron who has sucked up pretty much all of the traditional "right" vote and RN. As in, they were barely eve above average in the ex-Catholic departments in the West. So who even votes for them any more? a handful of bcbg cathos in the Hauts-de-Seine, Yvelines and rich suburbs of Lyon and Paris?

At anyrate you're probably basically right on who still votes LR, +those same demographics in a few other areas where they're present like in the wealthy suburbs of Lille.

[Lechasseur]

https://www.lemonde.fr/culture/article/2019/06/05/notre-dame-desaccord-profond-entre-l-assemblee-et-le-senat_5471717_3246.html

The National Assembly and the Senate can't come up with a compromise on the Notre Dame restoration (or as LREM would say, "reconstruction") bill, and given in France if both houses can't agree, the lower house has the last word, it looks like Macron will get the bill he wants and will be able to do whatever he wants to Notre Dame.

Frankly if the Senate's opinion doesn't matter, I really don't know why it hasn't been abolished yet.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Can you please stop double-posting every news about Notre Dame? I don't care if you post it in the Notre Dame thread or the general France thread (and I do appreciate you posting updates on this, since I'm invested in the issue myself and agree with you on it), but it's annoying to have to check two different thread and find the exact same post. Just pick one thread and stick with it.

[Lechasseur]

Can you please stop double-posting every news about Notre Dame? I don't care if you post it in the Notre Dame thread or the general France thread (and I do appreciate you posting updates on this, since I'm invested in the issue myself and agree with you on it), but it's annoying to have to check two different thread and find the exact same post. Just pick one thread and stick with it.

OK Will do. I just wanted to keep people updated, especially on an issue I really care about. I didn't mean to annoy anyone. I'll keep updates to the other thread.

[Angel of Death]

Sarkozy will stand trial for corruption.