France General Discussion IV: Yellow Fever

[Zinneke]

So what shift has resulted in these changes? Has the dominant societal forces shifted to more prudishness?

More phones with cameras.

And in the case of governing instances cracking down on it : the issue is more complex. Officially it's a question of public order. French political class isn't prudish. It panders to some old conservative whingers but that's about it.

[darklordoftech]

So what shift has resulted in these changes? Has the dominant societal forces shifted to more prudishness?

More phones with cameras.

Why would that lead to people being offended by others’ bodies?

[Kingpoleon]

So what shift has resulted in these changes? Has the dominant societal forces shifted to more prudishness?

France has two very clashing ideals: a sort of collectivist thought, pretty common to Europe, brought on by monarchies, welfare states, and state churches; and a pretty individualistic liberalism, tracing its roots directly from the French Revolution. Some elements of the former mindset, having found that the law can do whatever is morally necessary for the common good and public decency, have begun looking for social aspects of this.

[Cassius]

So what shift has resulted in these changes? Has the dominant societal forces shifted to more prudishness?

More phones with cameras.

Why would that lead to people being offended by others’ bodies?

Because they don’t want people they don’t know or don’t like taking pictures of them topless?

[parochial boy]

Most understanding of French cultural trends can be explained by the fact that they are a nation of innately contrarian loudmouths who love to complain about everything.

And personally, when I think of nude bathing, I think of 60 year old women and obese Germans. I suspect a lot of people have that image too, and is why it's not so fashionable any more.

[darklordoftech]

So what shift has resulted in these changes? Has the dominant societal forces shifted to more prudishness?

More phones with cameras.

Why would that lead to people being offended by others’ bodies?

Because they don’t want people they don’t know or don’t like taking pictures of them topless?

I’m not asking, “Why don’t women want to be topless?” I’m asking, “Why are people offended by others being topless?”

[Cassius]

Most understanding of French cultural trends can be explained by the fact that they are a nation of innately contrarian loudmouths who love to complain about everything.

And personally, when I think of nude bathing, I think of 60 year old women and obese Germans. I suspect a lot of people have that image too, and is why it's not so fashionable any more.

What could possibly give you that idea?

[parochial boy]

Bit of a yikes article from "Valeurs" Actuelles causing a big scandal today. Although in reality, its probably not that surprising given the radicalisation of much of the French mainstream media in recent years.

[PSOL]

Bit of a yikes article from "Valeurs" Actuelles causing a big scandal today. Although in reality, its probably not that surprising given the radicalisation of much of the French mainstream media in recent years.

What was it?

[parochial boy]

Bit of a yikes article from "Valeurs" Actuelles causing a big scandal today. Although in reality, its probably not that surprising given the radicalisation of much of the French mainstream media in recent years.

What was it?

Picturing Danielle Obono, a black FI, députée as a slave so as to "show role of Africans in the transatlantic slave trade"

[NewYorkExpress]

Bit of a yikes article from "Valeurs" Actuelles causing a big scandal today. Although in reality, its probably not that surprising given the radicalisation of much of the French mainstream media in recent years.

What was it?

Picturing Danielle Obono, a black FI, députée as a slave so as to "show role of Africans in the transatlantic slave trade"

Does France have laws about this (I imagine things like libel laws might apply, as might any anti-racism laws France might have)? Forcibly shutting down the magazine or forcing the sacking of person involved would probably be the right outcome here.

[NewYorkExpress]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-france-horse-killing-20200829-pwqsidbeq5aifavns3roje2cna-story.html

Armed with knives, some knowledge of their prey and a large dose of cruelty, attackers are going after horses and ponies in pastures across France in what may be ritual mutilations.

Police are stymied by the macabre attacks that include slashings and worse. Most often, an ear — usually the right one — has been cut off, recalling the matador’s trophy in a bullring.


Up to 30 attacks have been reported in France, from the mountainous Jura region in the east to the Atlantic coast, many this summer, the agriculture minister said Friday. One attack was registered in February, according to the newsmagazine Le Point. With each attack, the mystery only seems to grow.

“We are excluding nothing,” Agriculture Minister Julien Denormandie said Friday on France-Info, before heading to a riding club in the Saone-et-Loire region, in east central France, where a horse was attacked a day earlier.

[CumbrianLefty]

Bit of a yikes article from "Valeurs" Actuelles causing a big scandal today. Although in reality, its probably not that surprising given the radicalisation of much of the French mainstream media in recent years.

What was it?

Picturing Danielle Obono, a black FI, députée as a slave so as to "show role of Africans in the transatlantic slave trade"

Does France have laws about this (I imagine things like libel laws might apply, as might any anti-racism laws France might have)? Forcibly shutting down the magazine or forcing the sacking of person involved would probably be the right outcome here.

High time some irresponsible "journalists" were held to account tbh - and not just in France.

[brucejoel99]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-france-horse-killing-20200829-pwqsidbeq5aifavns3roje2cna-story.html

Armed with knives, some knowledge of their prey and a large dose of cruelty, attackers are going after horses and ponies in pastures across France in what may be ritual mutilations.

Police are stymied by the macabre attacks that include slashings and worse. Most often, an ear — usually the right one — has been cut off, recalling the matador’s trophy in a bullring.


Up to 30 attacks have been reported in France, from the mountainous Jura region in the east to the Atlantic coast, many this summer, the agriculture minister said Friday. One attack was registered in February, according to the newsmagazine Le Point. With each attack, the mystery only seems to grow.

“We are excluding nothing,” Agriculture Minister Julien Denormandie said Friday on France-Info, before heading to a riding club in the Saone-et-Loire region, in east central France, where a horse was attacked a day earlier.

IIRC there was a string of similar "horse-rippings" in the UK in the early 2000s/late 1990s that was never solved either. It had the exact same modus operandi, the same speculations & theories, but nobody was ever caught for it.

[Zinneke]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/03/french-reporter-who-joined-police-exposes-racism-and-violence-valentin-gendrot

[NewYorkExpress]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/06/europe/facebook-french-man-streaming-death-intl/index.html

Facebook has prevented a French man with an incurable illness from streaming his own death on the social media site, according to a company statement.

Alain Cocq, 57, from Dijon in eastern France, has a rare incurable medical condition that causes his arteries to stick together.

He estimates he will only have days to live after stopping all medication, food and drink, which he planned to do on Friday evening.

Cocq had intended to broadcast his dying days on the platform, to raise awareness about France's laws on assisted dying.

In a statement Saturday Facebook said the live stream was prevented to avoid promoting self-harm.

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Cocq previously lobbied President Emmanuel Macron to allow him to die by "active medical assistance" but was unsuccessful.

Euthanasia is illegal in France. French law also dictates that deep and continuous sedation, which can hasten a person's death and render them unconscious until they die, is not legal unless under specific circumstances set out by the 2016 Claeys-Leonetti Law, which also requires a person's death to be imminent. But French citizens do have the right to stop medical care, and under French law there is no prosecution for suicide.

[NewYorkExpress]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/man-chasing-fly-accidentally-blows-up-part-house-france-report

A man in France was injured Friday after he blew up part of his home while trying to kill a fly with an electric swatter, according to reports.


The man, who is in his 80s, was about to eat dinner when he spotted the insect.

He picked up the bug-killing racket and start swatting at it -- unaware a gas canister was leaking from the home, located in the village of Parcoul-Chenaud in southwestern France, according to the BBC.

[parochial boy]

New ecologist mayor of Lyon Grégory Doucet creates a bit of controversy by calling the Tour de France "macho and polluting".

At the risk of editorialising somewhat, he's an elitist pillock and this is why EÉLV will never win a presidential election.

[Tirnam]

And it's not the only controversy created by an EELV mayor. The new mayor of Bordeaux faced a backlash after his decision to remove all Christmas trees in the city, there is also a heated debate with the implementation of the 5G, ...

As a result the party's favorability has fallen quite a bit. According to an Odoxa poll 43% have a favorable opinion of EELV, down from 57% in February. Still, they remain the most popular political party.

[NewYorkExpress]

https://in.reuters.com/article/us-france-security-eiffel/eiffel-tower-reopens-after-bomb-hoax-idUSKCN26E1V0

The Eiffel Tower was evacuated for several hours on Wednesday after police received a call suggesting a bomb had been placed there.

The Paris monument had been searched and no explosives found, a police spokeswoman said. It reopened at about 2.25 p.m. (1225 GMT).

[NewYorkExpress]

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2020-09-23/france-wants-to-require-fathers-to-take-parental-leave

FRANCE’S president wants to expand paternity leave to one month — and require fathers to take time off with their newborns.

President Emmanuel Macron announced the plan on Instagram before visiting a child-care facility on Wednesday.

“When a baby arrives in the world, there is no reason it should be only the mom who takes care of it. It’s important to have greater equality in sharing responsibilities,” Macron said, noting the importance of the “intimate" moments early in a child's life.

Currently fathers or other partners in France can take up to 14 days off work after the birth of a child. Macron's government wants to expand that to 28 days, with daily allowances paid by the French state health insurance system — and to make it obligatory for at least a week.

[Kingpoleon]

Does France have laws about this (I imagine things like libel laws might apply, as might any anti-racism laws France might have)? Forcibly shutting down the magazine or forcing the sacking of person involved would probably be the right outcome here.

What kind of American thinks magazines should be shut down for being racist?

[NewYorkExpress]

Does France have laws about this (I imagine things like libel laws might apply, as might any anti-racism laws France might have)? Forcibly shutting down the magazine or forcing the sacking of person involved would probably be the right outcome here.

What kind of American thinks magazines should be shut down for being racist?

The kind of American who thinks hate speech shouldn't be covered by the First Amendment?

[John Dule]

Does France have laws about this (I imagine things like libel laws might apply, as might any anti-racism laws France might have)? Forcibly shutting down the magazine or forcing the sacking of person involved would probably be the right outcome here.

What kind of American thinks magazines should be shut down for being racist?

The kind of American who thinks hate speech shouldn't be covered by the First Amendment?

So an authoritarian. Got it.

[parochial boy]

You know, I feel the real victim here is still the woman who had a whole article fantasizing about her being sold into slavery in a major national magazine. Some debate about whether or not to punish the author just detracts from the fact that we’re right to be horrified by how much of a dark place the French mainstream media has gone to these days

See the latest installment where there has been collective outrage on the part of the usual pseudo républicain bien-pensants over the idea that someone could appear in parliament while veiled. Or worse, cook on instagram while veiled.

Some convoluted free speech thing just lets valeurs actuelles pretend that they’re the victims. When they’re not, they’re the aggressors