UK General Discussion: 2019 and onwards, The End of May

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I think they should leave on No Deal. That’s what the people voted for.

But then a General election is needed cause clearly there is no confidence in the Government.

This is the Tories putting their party ahead of the country... this is harder to do in our system,
one reason I don’t like the Parliament system that Canada and the UK have.

Your idiotic, ignorant and completely clueless comments are really not welcome. This is serious, a really serious issue that could potential cause serious damage to the lives of a lot of people, not a fycking game.

I have to admit a part of me wants a hard Brexit to happen just so people will see how such stuff ends, especially idiots ruling certain countries. But then I force myself to think about the people who will potentially die, or at the very least suffer, from this. In any case pro-Brexit idiots, especially those who lied to people about this being so easy, played and continue to play with fire getting rapidly out of control.

[The Mikado]

I think they should leave on No Deal. That’s what the people voted for.

Welcome to Atlas, Mr. Farage. It's an honor to have such a distinguished person in our midst.

[Helsinkian]

VIENNA (Reuters) - There is currently “absolutely no reason” for another extension to Brexit because the situation in Britain’s parliament has not fundamentally changed, Austria’s Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said on Wednesday.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-austria-extension/austria-sees-absolutely-no-reason-for-brexit-extension-idUKKCN1RF10Q

Under Article 50 rules, one member state opposing would be enough to deny the UK an extension. In practice, I doubt that such a big decision would be made in that way in the European Council.

[Sestak]

VIENNA (Reuters) - There is currently “absolutely no reason” for another extension to Brexit because the situation in Britain’s parliament has not fundamentally changed, Austria’s Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said on Wednesday.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-austria-extension/austria-sees-absolutely-no-reason-for-brexit-extension-idUKKCN1RF10Q

Under Article 50 rules, one member state opposing would be enough to deny the UK an extension. In practice, I doubt that such a big decision would be made in that way in the European Council.

Both Macron and Kurz are hardline. Just shows that this fantasy second extension that May wants it’s happening under these circumstances.

[Silent Hunter]

It's worth remembering that EU leaders say things for domestic audiences just as much as any politician.

The problem is that there is no reasonable prospect of Britain sorting itself out by 12 April and forcing No Deal won't fix that either...

[Omega21]

Why the hell hasn't anyone linked this before?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9uj2GY1MHQ

[The Mikado]

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1113405505496584192

[Silent Hunter]

I certainly wouldn't. It doesn't give us anything it couldn't do as part of Ireland.

[LabourJersey]

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1113405505496584192

That poll says more about little the average citizen in Great Britain thinks or cares about NI, rather than actual support for reunification.

[The Mikado]

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1113405505496584192

That poll says more about little the average citizen in Great Britain thinks or cares about NI, rather than actual support for reunification.

I didn't say otherwise. 36% not care and 9% not sure adds up to a whopping 45% plurality for shrugging.

It can't be heartening to the DUP to  place so much identity on a union to a power which doesn't remotely care about you.

[Silent Hunter]

91 Tory MPs voted against a Government-backed amendment to not limit the powers of the Brexit Secretary in negotiating Brexit Day i.e. can change the date without a positive commons vote. With a defeat of 180, that's the second biggest Government defeat in history... the first being MV1.

Mostly ERG, which some are taking as the manifestation of a threatened backbencher strike.

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I wonder if the queen would have dissolved the government by now if it was't for the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act.

[Blair]

I wonder if the queen would have dissolved the government by now if it was't for the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act.

Nope. The Queen won't be getting involved in this at all.

[CumbrianLefty]

Cooper amendment passes its third reading by a single vote.

Now the Lords.......

[brucejoel99]

Cooper amendment passes its third reading by a single vote.

Now the Lords.......

Looks like the government is gonna let it sail through in the Lords; tomorrow's whipping arrangements for Conservative peers is apparently "come if convenient"... that's not *quite* the language of a government preparing for a voting war, now is it? Of course, Tory Brexiteers are still gonna submit a lot of amendments & filibuster to the max, though the expectation is that after a long time & a lot of votes & amendments, there are overwhelming numbers in the Lords to get the Cooper bill passed (at least, after a very long night).

[Silent Hunter]

Commons sitting suspended for the day after the roof starts leaking

[Helsinkian]

A YouGov poll has no deal Brexit at 51% when the choice is between that or remaining in the EU:

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1113822734465798144

[YL]

A YouGov poll has no deal Brexit at 51% when the choice is between that or remaining in the EU:

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1113822734465798144

No it doesn't.  The actual poll data can be found at
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ojewuniikg/Internal_190401_BrexitTrackers_w.pdf

The question that Leavers are cherry-picking is "And if Britain has not agreed a deal by April 12th
and the European Union refused to grant a further extension, what do you think should happen?" to which the answer was No Deal 44%, Remain 42%, Don't Know 13%.  Note that this is in the context of the EU refusing to grant an extension.

[DINGO Joe]

So, somehow I'm able to watch the House of Lords on a channel 1384 and it's a trip.  Content? Not Content?  WTF.

[Helsinkian]

The question that Leavers are cherry-picking is "And if Britain has not agreed a deal by April 12th
and the European Union refused to grant a further extension, what do you think should happen?" to which the answer was No Deal 44%, Remain 42%, Don't Know 13%.  Note that this is in the context of the EU refusing to grant an extension.

Replying with "don't know" is the equivalent of not voting; i.e. those people don't count.

[Sestak]

The question that Leavers are cherry-picking is "And if Britain has not agreed a deal by April 12th
and the European Union refused to grant a further extension, what do you think should happen?" to which the answer was No Deal 44%, Remain 42%, Don't Know 13%.  Note that this is in the context of the EU refusing to grant an extension.

Replying with "don't know" is the equivalent of not voting; i.e. those people don't count.

Except it’s reasonable to say they *will* vote. And, in the other side of things, dishonest to claim there’s an absolute majority of the electorate in favor of No Deal.

[YL]

The question that Leavers are cherry-picking is "And if Britain has not agreed a deal by April 12th
and the European Union refused to grant a further extension, what do you think should happen?" to which the answer was No Deal 44%, Remain 42%, Don't Know 13%.  Note that this is in the context of the EU refusing to grant an extension.

Replying with "don't know" is the equivalent of not voting; i.e. those people don't count.

That isn't my objection.  My objection is to the fact that people who are making a fuss about this are ignoring the framing and the context of the question; this is Opinion Polling 101: these things matter.

[The Mikado]

So...six days Parliament is in session between now and the deadline. What is even left to try at this point?

[Former President tack50]

The question that Leavers are cherry-picking is "And if Britain has not agreed a deal by April 12th
and the European Union refused to grant a further extension, what do you think should happen?" to which the answer was No Deal 44%, Remain 42%, Don't Know 13%.  Note that this is in the context of the EU refusing to grant an extension.

Replying with "don't know" is the equivalent of not voting; i.e. those people don't count.

Except it’s reasonable to say they *will* vote. And, in the other side of things, dishonest to claim there’s an absolute majority of the electorate in favor of No Deal.

In fact, trying to estimate how the people who voted "don't know" will actually vote (or turn out in the first place) is one of the most important things when making a poll.

[Middle-aged Europe]

https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1113857756463804421

https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1113858741471010816