AOC blasts FDR, Reagan for racist policies

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

https://wjactv.com/news/nation-world/rep-ocasio-cortez-blasts-former-presidents-fdr-reagan-during-sxsw-panel

Ocasio-Cortez also criticized former President Reagan's policies, saying they aggravated racial divisions in the country. The New York congresswoman says they "pitted white working-class Americans against brown and black working-class Americans to just screw over all working-class Americans.”

Ocasio-Cortez also blasted FDR's "New Deal" which created several programs and projects aimed at helping the U.S. recover from the Great Depression. “The New Deal was an extremely economically racist policy that drew literal red line around black and brown communities,” says Ocasio-Cortez.

[Sestak]

Lol:

Conservatives like Sebastian Gorka were outraged by the statement.

"When somebody attacks one of the most progressive presidents in history in terms of FDR's new deal and says that’s the problem, you realize AOC is a hardcore radical," says Gorka.

>When Sebastian Gorka is the best "outraged conservative" you can find.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I don't know enough about 1930s American race relations to know whether or not that's an accurate description of the New Deal, but I do know that it's definitely not the most incontrovertible example of a racist FDR policy she could have chosen.

Anyway, this seems like a #woke update of the traditional American socialist "grudging admiration for FDR saving capitalism" line, and I don't think any of us need Sebastian f**king Gorka telling us how to feel about that.

[RI]

I don't know enough about 1930s American race relations to know whether or not that's an accurate description of the New Deal, but I do know that it's definitely not the most incontrovertible example of a racist FDR policy she could have chosen.

People, especially on the left, don't care much about racism against Asians these days because they're a "privileged" group. Just look at how Harvard is justifying its anti-Asian policies by claiming Asians have "bad personalities" and getting leftist professors to stick up for them.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Man if only Crowley took the primary challenge seriously

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Man if only Crowley took the primary challenge seriously

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I don't know enough about 1930s American race relations to know whether or not that's an accurate description of the New Deal, but I do know that it's definitely not the most incontrovertible example of a racist FDR policy she could have chosen.

People, especially on the left, don't care much about racism against Asians these days because they're a "privileged" group. Just look at how Harvard is justifying its anti-Asian policies by claiming Asians have "bad personalities" and getting leftist professors to stick up for them.

I would respond more to racism against Asians if

1. Any Asian I ever knew in my life actually raised a complaint on the issue, which they haven't (my high school was 25% Asian for the record)
2. There was something more systemic in the nature of racism against Asians than not being admitted to Ivy League schools (note: working in an academic setting where Asians are disproportionately represented, racism against Chinese people is quite real, but I find it manifesting itself more on a personal level than a systemic level)
3. If it wasn't wielded as a cudgel in bad faith by conservatives who don't care about racism at all. I've heard much more complaining from white people about Harvard admissions than I ever have from Asians, and usually it's with the context that too many Blacks and Hispanics are admitted.

[Theodore]

Man if only Crowley took the primary challenge seriously

[Koharu]

Good for her.

Asians are very much at the mercy of racism. Just because no one's told you personally doesn't mean it doesn't happen. In some ways, being the "golden child" of minorites has caused some even more messed up stereotypes and expectations.

Good people can still do bad things. Bad people can do good things. Most people can be awesome and can also be awful. The bad behavior doesn't invalidate the good, and the good doesn't excuse the bad. No one is perfect, including politicians. The New Deal did many good things. It did not help everyone equally, though. One can accomplish great things and still be a racist. It is important to shred light on the failings of those we hold most dear so not to make it seem like their bad behavior is acceptable. The New Deal was a good start but it did also affect many minorities in negative ways. We can celebrate the progress it bright while also learning from and admitting the mistakes it made.

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There was plenty of racism in the New Deal, but obviously it still helped blacks for blacks to start voting Democratic in 1936.

[GP270watch]

She didn't say anything controversial. Redlining was a very real thing that denied African Americans wealth creation that was offered to Whites. Federal Housing policy excluded black people, this is a fact.

[Kevin]

Man if only Crowley took the primary challenge seriously

[Xeuma]

Man if only Crowley took the primary challenge seriously

[T'Chenka]

Several top Republicans behind the "War On Drugs" and the "Southern Strategy" from the Reagan era have openly admitted this. It is literally estsblished as fact and not up for debate, unless you want to theorize that those Republicans lied about their own racism and made themselves look terrible, for some reason I can't fathom.

I love watching conservatives get triggered by reality and spaz out though. Thanks Alexandria.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Man if only Crowley took the primary challenge seriously

[GP270watch]

Several top Republicans behind the "War On Drugs" and the "Southern Strategy" from the Reagan era have openly admitted this. It is literally estsblished as fact and not up for debate, unless you want to theorize that those Republicans lied about their own racism and made themselves look terrible, for some reason I can't fathom.

I love watching conservatives get triggered by reality and spaz out though. Thanks Alexandria.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

This line of historical argument (if you can even call it that) strikes me as of the same school as fifteenth century Italian scholars who wanted to castigate everything that came before them as part of a Dark Age and discounted the contributions of previous "rebirths" of Classical learning for being too "Gothic." Not that there aren't obvious examples of racist policies implemented during the '30s and '40s that FDR either tolerated or personally promoted during his term in office, but the habit of a certain breed of leftist to blast any example of historical progress as worthless* makes one wonder what the template for future progress looks like.

*In fairness, I wasn't able to find AOC's full remarks, so I don't know if this is actually what she was saying or if she was taken out of context.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Several top Republicans behind the "War On Drugs" and the "Southern Strategy" from the Reagan era have openly admitted this. It is literally estsblished as fact and not up for debate, unless you want to theorize that those Republicans lied about their own racism and made themselves look terrible, for some reason I can't fathom.

I love watching conservatives get triggered by reality and spaz out though. Thanks Alexandria.


I'm not confused about America's past, but just exactly how is posturing that we are still at the level of 1960, or even 1980, a useful posture for liberals to move forward?

I'm not thrilled at all about the racism of the Reagan Republicans, and certainly not the tactics of the Atwater crowd of the Bushies.  But I'm certainly not thrilled about the specter of AOC-style Identity Politics that will undo all of the racial progress made and then some.  There are many, however, who welcome the coming enmity levels rising because they think their "side" will prevail.  The Disgusting Wrongs of the Past are not cause to usher in the Disgusting Wrongs of the Present and Future, and that's what today's Identity Politics is.

[darklordoftech]

She didn't say anything controversial. Redlining was a very real thing that denied African Americans wealth creation that was offered to Whites. Federal Housing policy excluded black people, this is a fact.

[T'Chenka]

This line of historical argument (if you can even call it that) strikes me as of the same school as fifteenth century Italian scholars who wanted to castigate everything that came before them as part of a Dark Age and discounted the contributions of previous "rebirths" of Classical learning for being too "Gothic." Not that there aren't obvious examples of racist policies implemented during the '30s and '40s that FDR either tolerated or personally promoted during his term in office, but the habit of a certain breed of leftist to blast any example of historical progress as worthless* makes one wonder what the template for future progress looks like.

*In fairness, I wasn't able to find AOC's full remarks, so I don't know if this is actually what she was saying or if she was taken out of context.

Full context = she wasn't doing much speculating, mostly just talking about established and on-the-record facts.

[QAnonKelly]

Man if only Crowley took the primary challenge seriously

[Koharu]

The number of people who don't understand that codemning one aspect of something doesn't mean you hate the whole thing is rather astounding.

[GP270watch]

 The Disgusting Wrongs of the Past are not cause to usher in the Disgusting Wrongs of the Present and Future, and that's what today's Identity Politics is.

 The phrase "identity politics" means absolutely nothing. You can add it to Lee Atwater's list of doublespeak garbage . Terms like "Political correctness" in the context of it supposedly being a huge problem in society is another one.

 It is in fact another white supremacist tactic and buzzword. We know this because reformed white supremacist Derek Black admitted so and he predated the rise of Trump:

Derek Black never used racial slurs. He didn’t advocate violence or lawbreaking. He had won a Republican committee seat in Palm Beach County, Fla., where Trump also had a home, without ever mentioning white nationalism, talking instead about the ravages of political correctness, affirmative action and unchecked Hispanic immigration.

 

[T'Chenka]

The number of people who don't understand that codemning one aspect of something doesn't mean you hate the whole thing is rather astounding.

Nuance is the mortal enemy of with left wing AND right wing outrage culture addiction.

[S019]

Even Dems think FDR is bad, he is so overrated


Maybe AOC should have lived under Carter's incompetence or Mondale's immense tax increases, then maybe she would know what to support and what not to