How would you have voted in 1924?

[YE]

La Follette, obviously.

But out of the two in the poll, Coolidge.

[RINO Tom]

Coolidge. Davis isn't as conservative as people make him out to be...

"Additionally, as much as he was opposed to centralism in politics he was opposed to concentration of capitalism by supporting a number of early progressive laws regulating Interstate commerce and limiting the power and concentration of corporations. Consequently, he felt distinctly out of place in the Republican Party, who supported free-association and free markets and maintained his father's staunch allegiance to the Democratic Party, even as he later represented the interests of business opposed to the New Deal."

Davis was also the lead lawyer arguing to keep segregation legal before the SCOTUS in Brown V Board

http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/5-decision/defenders.html

People can mock me all they want, but when you have otherwise liberal politicians opposing civil rights (and some supporting it, of course) and otherwise conservative politicians supporting civil rights (and some opposing it, of course), it's highly subjective to assign opposition to civil rights as automatically "conservative," or at least concluding that politician as a whole is a "conservative."  Someone who is a Heritage Foundation golden boy but supports gay marriage, affirmative action and anti-discriminatory workplace regulations isn't seen as a "liberal" today, and I think we should apply that same metric to past politicians, too.

Anyway, Coolidge (R-MA), quite easily.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Coolidge. Davis isn't as conservative as people make him out to be...

"Additionally, as much as he was opposed to centralism in politics he was opposed to concentration of capitalism by supporting a number of early progressive laws regulating Interstate commerce and limiting the power and concentration of corporations. Consequently, he felt distinctly out of place in the Republican Party, who supported free-association and free markets and maintained his father's staunch allegiance to the Democratic Party, even as he later represented the interests of business opposed to the New Deal."

Davis was also the lead lawyer arguing to keep segregation legal before the SCOTUS in Brown V Board

http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/5-decision/defenders.html

People can mock me all they want, but when you have otherwise liberal politicians opposing civil rights (and some supporting it, of course) and otherwise conservative politicians supporting civil rights (and some opposing it, of course), it's highly subjective to assign opposition to civil rights as automatically "conservative," or at least concluding that politician as a whole is a "conservative."  Someone who is a Heritage Foundation golden boy but supports gay marriage, affirmative action and anti-discriminatory workplace regulations isn't seen as a "liberal" today, and I think we should apply that same metric to past politicians, too.

Anyway, Coolidge (R-MA), quite easily.

Racism/being against civil rights is a conservative or right-wing position, that doesn't mean everyone who is a racist is conservative, but they're clearly conservative on that issue.

[RINO Tom]

Coolidge. Davis isn't as conservative as people make him out to be...

"Additionally, as much as he was opposed to centralism in politics he was opposed to concentration of capitalism by supporting a number of early progressive laws regulating Interstate commerce and limiting the power and concentration of corporations. Consequently, he felt distinctly out of place in the Republican Party, who supported free-association and free markets and maintained his father's staunch allegiance to the Democratic Party, even as he later represented the interests of business opposed to the New Deal."

Davis was also the lead lawyer arguing to keep segregation legal before the SCOTUS in Brown V Board

http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/5-decision/defenders.html

People can mock me all they want, but when you have otherwise liberal politicians opposing civil rights (and some supporting it, of course) and otherwise conservative politicians supporting civil rights (and some opposing it, of course), it's highly subjective to assign opposition to civil rights as automatically "conservative," or at least concluding that politician as a whole is a "conservative."  Someone who is a Heritage Foundation golden boy but supports gay marriage, affirmative action and anti-discriminatory workplace regulations isn't seen as a "liberal" today, and I think we should apply that same metric to past politicians, too.

Anyway, Coolidge (R-MA), quite easily.

Racism/being against civil rights is a conservative or right-wing position, that doesn't mean everyone who is a racist is conservative, but they're clearly conservative on that issue.

Can you be a little more persuasive?  LOL, seriously, you just said that as an assumed fact that we all need to agree to because you have a mental image of backward conservatives who are racists.  A hypothetical "racist hick" who also happens to be a socialist has no meaningful connection to conservatism, even on the race issue.  That is what I am alleging.  If you disagree, say why.  Were eugenicists who supported scientific racism and otherwise identified as progressives "conservative" on the race issue?  I call BS.

[Wazza [INACTIVE]]

Coolidge. Davis isn't as conservative as people make him out to be...

"Additionally, as much as he was opposed to centralism in politics he was opposed to concentration of capitalism by supporting a number of early progressive laws regulating Interstate commerce and limiting the power and concentration of corporations. Consequently, he felt distinctly out of place in the Republican Party, who supported free-association and free markets and maintained his father's staunch allegiance to the Democratic Party, even as he later represented the interests of business opposed to the New Deal."

Davis was also the lead lawyer arguing to keep segregation legal before the SCOTUS in Brown V Board

http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/5-decision/defenders.html

People can mock me all they want, but when you have otherwise liberal politicians opposing civil rights (and some supporting it, of course) and otherwise conservative politicians supporting civil rights (and some opposing it, of course), it's highly subjective to assign opposition to civil rights as automatically "conservative," or at least concluding that politician as a whole is a "conservative."  Someone who is a Heritage Foundation golden boy but supports gay marriage, affirmative action and anti-discriminatory workplace regulations isn't seen as a "liberal" today, and I think we should apply that same metric to past politicians, too.

Anyway, Coolidge (R-MA), quite easily.

[Former President tack50]

La Follette. Of the 2 in the poll, John W. Davis.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Coolidge. Davis isn't as conservative as people make him out to be...

"Additionally, as much as he was opposed to centralism in politics he was opposed to concentration of capitalism by supporting a number of early progressive laws regulating Interstate commerce and limiting the power and concentration of corporations. Consequently, he felt distinctly out of place in the Republican Party, who supported free-association and free markets and maintained his father's staunch allegiance to the Democratic Party, even as he later represented the interests of business opposed to the New Deal."

Davis was also the lead lawyer arguing to keep segregation legal before the SCOTUS in Brown V Board

http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/5-decision/defenders.html

People can mock me all they want, but when you have otherwise liberal politicians opposing civil rights (and some supporting it, of course) and otherwise conservative politicians supporting civil rights (and some opposing it, of course), it's highly subjective to assign opposition to civil rights as automatically "conservative," or at least concluding that politician as a whole is a "conservative."  Someone who is a Heritage Foundation golden boy but supports gay marriage, affirmative action and anti-discriminatory workplace regulations isn't seen as a "liberal" today, and I think we should apply that same metric to past politicians, too.

Anyway, Coolidge (R-MA), quite easily.

Racism/being against civil rights is a conservative or right-wing position, that doesn't mean everyone who is a racist is conservative, but they're clearly conservative on that issue.

Can you be a little more persuasive?  LOL, seriously, you just said that as an assumed fact that we all need to agree to because you have a mental image of backward conservatives who are racists.  A hypothetical "racist hick" who also happens to be a socialist has no meaningful connection to conservatism, even on the race issue.  That is what I am alleging.  If you disagree, say why.  Were eugenicists who supported scientific racism and otherwise identified as progressives "conservative" on the race issue?  I call BS.

Let's say I'm a hardcore conservative but I support abortion on demand - would you not agree that's a liberal position to hold, even if it's held by someone who is otherwise conservative?

OR, let's say I'm a hardcore progressive but I'm strongly against gun control - would you not say that's a conservative position to hold even if it's held by someone who is otherwise progressive?

Or what if I'm an enlightened centrist but in the midst of all my well thought out, reasonable opinions, I believe Hitler did nothing wrong - would you not say someone who holds that position is a radical even if they're otherwise an enlightened, reasonable, hip n' with it centrist?

[Big Abraham]

OR, let's say I'm a hardcore progressive but I'm strongly against gun control - would you not say that's a conservative position to hold even if it's held by someone who is otherwise progressive?

Obviously not, and there's a recent thread that precisely explains why.

[RINO Tom]

Coolidge. Davis isn't as conservative as people make him out to be...

"Additionally, as much as he was opposed to centralism in politics he was opposed to concentration of capitalism by supporting a number of early progressive laws regulating Interstate commerce and limiting the power and concentration of corporations. Consequently, he felt distinctly out of place in the Republican Party, who supported free-association and free markets and maintained his father's staunch allegiance to the Democratic Party, even as he later represented the interests of business opposed to the New Deal."

Davis was also the lead lawyer arguing to keep segregation legal before the SCOTUS in Brown V Board

http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/5-decision/defenders.html

People can mock me all they want, but when you have otherwise liberal politicians opposing civil rights (and some supporting it, of course) and otherwise conservative politicians supporting civil rights (and some opposing it, of course), it's highly subjective to assign opposition to civil rights as automatically "conservative," or at least concluding that politician as a whole is a "conservative."  Someone who is a Heritage Foundation golden boy but supports gay marriage, affirmative action and anti-discriminatory workplace regulations isn't seen as a "liberal" today, and I think we should apply that same metric to past politicians, too.

Anyway, Coolidge (R-MA), quite easily.

Racism/being against civil rights is a conservative or right-wing position, that doesn't mean everyone who is a racist is conservative, but they're clearly conservative on that issue.

Can you be a little more persuasive?  LOL, seriously, you just said that as an assumed fact that we all need to agree to because you have a mental image of backward conservatives who are racists.  A hypothetical "racist hick" who also happens to be a socialist has no meaningful connection to conservatism, even on the race issue.  That is what I am alleging.  If you disagree, say why.  Were eugenicists who supported scientific racism and otherwise identified as progressives "conservative" on the race issue?  I call BS.

Let's say I'm a hardcore conservative but I support abortion on demand - would you not agree that's a liberal position to hold, even if it's held by someone who is otherwise conservative?

OR, let's say I'm a hardcore progressive but I'm strongly against gun control - would you not say that's a conservative position to hold even if it's held by someone who is otherwise progressive?

Or what if I'm an enlightened centrist but in the midst of all my well thought out, reasonable opinions, I believe Hitler did nothing wrong - would you not say someone who holds that position is a radical even if they're otherwise an enlightened, reasonable, hip n' with it centrist?

I get what you're saying; I reject the premise that being racist is a conservative position in and of itself.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Coolidge. Davis isn't as conservative as people make him out to be...

"Additionally, as much as he was opposed to centralism in politics he was opposed to concentration of capitalism by supporting a number of early progressive laws regulating Interstate commerce and limiting the power and concentration of corporations. Consequently, he felt distinctly out of place in the Republican Party, who supported free-association and free markets and maintained his father's staunch allegiance to the Democratic Party, even as he later represented the interests of business opposed to the New Deal."

Davis was also the lead lawyer arguing to keep segregation legal before the SCOTUS in Brown V Board

http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/5-decision/defenders.html

People can mock me all they want, but when you have otherwise liberal politicians opposing civil rights (and some supporting it, of course) and otherwise conservative politicians supporting civil rights (and some opposing it, of course), it's highly subjective to assign opposition to civil rights as automatically "conservative," or at least concluding that politician as a whole is a "conservative."  Someone who is a Heritage Foundation golden boy but supports gay marriage, affirmative action and anti-discriminatory workplace regulations isn't seen as a "liberal" today, and I think we should apply that same metric to past politicians, too.

Anyway, Coolidge (R-MA), quite easily.

Racism/being against civil rights is a conservative or right-wing position, that doesn't mean everyone who is a racist is conservative, but they're clearly conservative on that issue.

Can you be a little more persuasive?  LOL, seriously, you just said that as an assumed fact that we all need to agree to because you have a mental image of backward conservatives who are racists.  A hypothetical "racist hick" who also happens to be a socialist has no meaningful connection to conservatism, even on the race issue.  That is what I am alleging.  If you disagree, say why.  Were eugenicists who supported scientific racism and otherwise identified as progressives "conservative" on the race issue?  I call BS.

Let's say I'm a hardcore conservative but I support abortion on demand - would you not agree that's a liberal position to hold, even if it's held by someone who is otherwise conservative?

OR, let's say I'm a hardcore progressive but I'm strongly against gun control - would you not say that's a conservative position to hold even if it's held by someone who is otherwise progressive?

Or what if I'm an enlightened centrist but in the midst of all my well thought out, reasonable opinions, I believe Hitler did nothing wrong - would you not say someone who holds that position is a radical even if they're otherwise an enlightened, reasonable, hip n' with it centrist?

I get what you're saying; I reject the premise that being racist is a conservative position in and of itself.

Well, it's clearly not a liberal or left-wing position.
While yes, you can obviously be a leftist and be racist, the very idea of classical racism in this country by itself is tied to American and capitalist ideals, so while perhaps a socialist from another country could be racist, they could not be racis in the uniquely American lassez-faire tradition.

[Sir Tiki]

La Follette, obviously.

But out of the two in the poll, Coolidge.

[RINO Tom]

Coolidge. Davis isn't as conservative as people make him out to be...

"Additionally, as much as he was opposed to centralism in politics he was opposed to concentration of capitalism by supporting a number of early progressive laws regulating Interstate commerce and limiting the power and concentration of corporations. Consequently, he felt distinctly out of place in the Republican Party, who supported free-association and free markets and maintained his father's staunch allegiance to the Democratic Party, even as he later represented the interests of business opposed to the New Deal."

Davis was also the lead lawyer arguing to keep segregation legal before the SCOTUS in Brown V Board

http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/5-decision/defenders.html

People can mock me all they want, but when you have otherwise liberal politicians opposing civil rights (and some supporting it, of course) and otherwise conservative politicians supporting civil rights (and some opposing it, of course), it's highly subjective to assign opposition to civil rights as automatically "conservative," or at least concluding that politician as a whole is a "conservative."  Someone who is a Heritage Foundation golden boy but supports gay marriage, affirmative action and anti-discriminatory workplace regulations isn't seen as a "liberal" today, and I think we should apply that same metric to past politicians, too.

Anyway, Coolidge (R-MA), quite easily.

Racism/being against civil rights is a conservative or right-wing position, that doesn't mean everyone who is a racist is conservative, but they're clearly conservative on that issue.

Can you be a little more persuasive?  LOL, seriously, you just said that as an assumed fact that we all need to agree to because you have a mental image of backward conservatives who are racists.  A hypothetical "racist hick" who also happens to be a socialist has no meaningful connection to conservatism, even on the race issue.  That is what I am alleging.  If you disagree, say why.  Were eugenicists who supported scientific racism and otherwise identified as progressives "conservative" on the race issue?  I call BS.

Let's say I'm a hardcore conservative but I support abortion on demand - would you not agree that's a liberal position to hold, even if it's held by someone who is otherwise conservative?

OR, let's say I'm a hardcore progressive but I'm strongly against gun control - would you not say that's a conservative position to hold even if it's held by someone who is otherwise progressive?

Or what if I'm an enlightened centrist but in the midst of all my well thought out, reasonable opinions, I believe Hitler did nothing wrong - would you not say someone who holds that position is a radical even if they're otherwise an enlightened, reasonable, hip n' with it centrist?

I get what you're saying; I reject the premise that being racist is a conservative position in and of itself.

Well, it's clearly not a liberal or left-wing position.
While yes, you can obviously be a leftist and be racist, the very idea of classical racism in this country by itself is tied to American and capitalist ideals, so while perhaps a socialist from another country could be racist, they could not be racis in the uniquely American lassez-faire tradition.

Even if what you say is true, there is plenty of room between being a "left-winger" or a "socialist" and being a conservative.  I find it problematic to call anyone who is a racist "conservative on race" when you have mainstream liberals arriving at racist viewpoints, too.  I see it like I see trade - you can arrive at being a free trader or a protectionist for quite literally ideologically opposed reasons.  Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are NOT in agreement on trade philosophically even if they both find themselves being skeptical of free trade.  Similar to how Teddy Roosevelt and William Jennings Bryan can both represent populism but absolutely hated each other.  I think there are some issues (racism/tolerance, trade, foreign policy, etc.) that are a fool's errand to boil down to "racist or not racist," ESPECIALLY when we try to apply our modern dynamics in regard to race onto people form completely different time periods where our dynamics just simply don't apply.

[DPKdebator]

Coolidge

[Peanut]

Obviously LaFollette. It'd be a dark day if I ever found myself voting for Coolidge.