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CARLHAYDEN
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« on: November 09, 2005, 09:47:55 PM »

There is no one simple explanation.

First, Kilgore was a mediocre candidate (I posted this before), so he neither galvanized his base nor attracted others outside his base.

Second, more importantly, in Virginia (as elsewhere across the nation) the left saw this year's election as a chance for revenge for their losing streak from 2002-2004.  They turned out whereas conservatives were lackidaisical.

Third, the media played a major role in supressing stories harmful to Kaine.  A case in point, Carlos H. Bustamente Medieta (an illegal immigrant) brutally mudered Hak Bon Kim (a legal immigrant) in northern Virginia just a few weeks ago.  This story was quickly hushed up.

Fourth, Kaine sucessfully hid behind Warner.  Warner was a very popular moderate Governor, whereas I believe time will tell that Kaine will end up being a very unpopular liberal Governor.
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CARLHAYDEN
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2005, 12:04:41 AM »

There is no one simple explanation.

First, Kilgore was a mediocre candidate (I posted this before), so he neither galvanized his base nor attracted others outside his base.

Second, more importantly, in Virginia (as elsewhere across the nation) the left saw this year's election as a chance for revenge for their losing streak from 2002-2004.  They turned out whereas conservatives were lackidaisical.

Third, the media played a major role in supressing stories harmful to Kaine.  A case in point, Carlos H. Bustamente Medieta (an illegal immigrant) brutally mudered Hak Bon Kim (a legal immigrant) in northern Virginia just a few weeks ago.  This story was quickly hushed up.

Fourth, Kaine sucessfully hid behind Warner.  Warner was a very popular moderate Governor, whereas I believe time will tell that Kaine will end up being a very unpopular liberal Governor.

How do you like eating crow? Face it, you were dead wrong on Kilgore winning (even the percentages you predicted) and you were dead wrong on illegal immigration being any kind of an issue (it wasn't). So now, you blame the media! A classic Republican tactic, and yet you still call yourself a Democrat.

Well, just how much coverage of the Hak Bon Kim murder was there?  Please be so good as to post ALL the coverage.

If you check up on the details of the case you will see that in a year when the issue was not in play, it would have been widely covered, but instead got mimimal coverage.

Why?



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CARLHAYDEN
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2005, 08:39:15 AM »

Er, so you agree that the story was supressed?
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CARLHAYDEN
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2005, 10:17:19 PM »

Third, the media played a major role in supressing stories harmful to Kaine.  A case in point, Carlos H. Bustamente Medieta (an illegal immigrant) brutally mudered Hak Bon Kim (a legal immigrant) in northern Virginia just a few weeks ago.

And this is Kaine's fault how?

Er, Bandit, you really should learn how to read.

I did NOT blame Kaine for the liberal media's supression of news on illegal aliens in Virginia during the last few weeks of the campaign.

However, I do state that the liberal media deliberately chose to stop carrying information about illegal aliens in Virgina during the last few weeks of the campaign because they were well aware that it was an explosive issue which would harm Kaine's chances.

Just look at the reports during the summer of this year about illegal alien activity in Virginia (particularly criminal activity) and note how it disappeared from the media in the few weeks immediately prior to the election.

Did illegal aliens suddenly depart Virginia during that time period?  I don't think so.

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CARLHAYDEN
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2005, 10:03:59 AM »

Once again, you should learn to read carefully.

Kaine both supports using taxpayer money to support illegal immigration and is opposed to state law enforcement taking action in coordination with the feds to expell illegal immigrants.

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CARLHAYDEN
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2005, 10:59:38 AM »

However, I do state that the liberal media deliberately chose to stop carrying information about illegal aliens in Virgina during the last few weeks of the campaign because they were well aware that it was an explosive issue which would harm Kaine's chances.

I have serious doubts as to the validity of this claim. First question I would have is what Kilgore's position on this issue would be. I would also have to point out the fact that there is internal dissent among the Republican party as to illegal immigration.

Well, lets break that down into its component parts.

First, I have posted several articles about criminal activity by illegal immigrants in Virginia.  Interestingly, reporting of such crimes or even the existence of illegal aliens by the press in Virginia-DC stopped several weeks before the election.  Why? 

Second, Kilgore was very clear on his position on illegal immigration.  He favored having state law enforcement cooperate with the feds in enforcing immigration laws.

Third, yes there is considerable disagreement about illegal immigration among Republicans (from what I can see).  It seems to me that the overwhelming rank and file Republicans (as is the case with most Americans) favors stopping illegal immigration.  Wealthy Republicans such as McCain and Bush simply favor legalizing illegal immigrants, and oppose enforcing existing laws on immigration.
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