Virginia megathread

[Coldstream]

Mark Herring could be having the greatest week of his life.

[Gass3268]

Lock him up. He's the new Kavanaugh. 

You mean put him on the Supreme Court?

That really can be his only argument here.

[UncleSam]

Sorry so just to be clear if it is uncorroborated against Fairfax it’s a non-story but if it’s uncorroborated against Kavanaugh we all get to call him a rapist and destroy his life, right?

Just wanted to make sure I understood Atlas’ position clearly rofl. What a bunch of partisan hack hypocrites.

To be clear, I do not think Fairfax should resign over this.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article?section=news&headline=virginia-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-denies-2004-sexual-assault-allegation&contentId=65-7f330c64-e735-4c0f-bb01-6a4bc3dfc90e&__twitter_impression=true

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So a non-story.

Just like Blasey-Ford then!

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/OliviaMesser/status/1092472912190296064

TLDR both agree that there was a sexual encounter in a hotel room that started with consensual kissing. She says he eventually forced her to perform oral sex, which he denies. She says she's told no one till the WaPo a year ago and they've been unable to find anyone corroborating either version or similar complaints in his past.

[lfromnj]

VA dems= MO GOP.

Everything seems like its going wrong but they still gonna win in a landslide in Novembor.

[Landslide Lyndon]

https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article?section=news&headline=virginia-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-denies-2004-sexual-assault-allegation&contentId=65-7f330c64-e735-4c0f-bb01-6a4bc3dfc90e&__twitter_impression=true

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So a non-story.

Just like Blasey-Ford then!

Yeah, except the part of the eyewitness friend who refused to testify.

[Matty]

What makes her claim different than Blasey Ford’s?

Neither involved corroboration.

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[PSOL]

https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article?section=news&headline=virginia-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-denies-2004-sexual-assault-allegation&contentId=65-7f330c64-e735-4c0f-bb01-6a4bc3dfc90e&__twitter_impression=true

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So a non-story.

Just like Blasey-Ford then!

Yeah, except the part of the eyewitness friend who refused to testify.

And that several other women also told their accusations, being credible enough to warrant an investigation.

[Stranger in a strange land]

https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article?section=news&headline=virginia-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-denies-2004-sexual-assault-allegation&contentId=65-7f330c64-e735-4c0f-bb01-6a4bc3dfc90e&__twitter_impression=true

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So a non-story.

Just like Blasey-Ford then!

Yeah, except the part of the eyewitness friend who refused to testify.

And that several other women also told their accusations, being credible enough to warrant an investigation.

Speaking of which, when is the House Judiciary Committee going to subpoena Mike Judge to testify under oath?

[Beet]

Withholding judgement of this just as I did at first with Kavanaugh. But I'm looking forward to the unhinged rant from Lindsey Graham about how his life is ruined & expressing support for his wife & kids.

[gerritcole]

Corey Stewart has 2021 in the bag

[henster]

Hard to see this as nothing but a coordinated hit job by the right, already taking out a duly elected Governor and now his successor. I don't think the base will tolerate Fairfax being thrown UTB a line is gonna have to be drawn here.

[Matty]

The woman accusing him is a liberal professor at Stanford. She went to 2004 dnc

How is it a hitjob? It is not a credible claim since zero corroboration, but it is hardly a hitjob


You people are acting like complete hypocrites considering your behavior during the Kavanaugh inquisition

[henster]

The woman accusing him is a liberal professor at Stanford. She went to 2004 dnc

How is it a hitjob? It is not a credible claim since zero corroboration, but it is hardly a hitjob


You people are acting like complete hypocrites considering your behavior during the Kavanaugh inquisition

The timing alone implies it along with the fact it was leaked to the same outlet that took out Northam. If she was so concerned about this she should've went public after WaPo declined to post but instead waiting another year until this moment?

[lfromnj]

The woman accusing him is a liberal professor at Stanford. She went to 2004 dnc

How is it a hitjob? It is not a credible claim since zero corroboration, but it is hardly a hitjob


You people are acting like complete hypocrites considering your behavior during the Kavanaugh inquisition

The timing alone implies it along with the fact it was leaked to the same outlet that took out Northam. If she was so concerned about this she should've went public after WaPo declined to post but instead waiting another year until this moment?

Blasey ford should have gone public after Kavanaugh was nominated to a circuit court
Roy Moores accusers should have gone public when he was running SCOTAL.

[DrScholl]

Kavanaugh pretty much made himself look suspicious when he threatened Democrats with retribution and lied about slang terms. That's water under the bridge at this point and the subject at hand is a story that has no corroboration whatsoever. Blasey Ford actually told people about her experience years before talking about it publicly.

[Matty]

If we are comparing this to kavanaugh and trying  to argue ford's case was more credible, how cna you possibly ignore:

A) wapo establishing that fairfax and vanessa tyson were indeed in the same room together at 2004 dnc.......whereas there was ZERO corroboration that Ford and Kavanaugh ever met let alone knew each other.

B) Tyson naming a specific time and location, ford not remembering jack sh**t.


Again, absence of corroboration means no credibility....but don't you dare sit here and say Ford had a better case against kav than tyson has against fairfax.

[DrScholl]

More than one person accused Kavanaugh. With that said Kavanaugh was put on the court so Republicans have nothing to still be angry about. And again, Blasey Ford actually communicated her story to others years before she even came forward.

[Zaybay]

Why are people tying this to Kavanaugh? Just view this case by the facts present.

[Badger]

Let's get three two plus two equals four facts straight here. First, by any reasonable assessment , that is someone not looking at this through the lens of a complete political hack, the allegations against Kavanaugh were vastly more credible then this one currently appears. It's not an issue of Party politics, just simply not being ignorant hack trying to prove a non-existent point. We can go right down the list of the multiple additional accusers against Cavanaugh whom Grassley suppress from testifying, the best friend who could supposedly verify who was in the room, to the calendar about drinking with squi, etc etc. Even if you don't believe such allegations,  any non hack  absolutely has to concede that this  clean  is  nowhere near  as  strong  as a simple matter of fact. If you truly believe that this account, such as it is, is truly equivalent to that presented against Cavanaugh, you are either ignorant or a complete right-wing hack rather than remotely impartial.

Secondly, let's get it straight here. If and I repeat if, these allegations against Fairfax ever grow to being even close to his credible as those against Kavanaugh, 90 to 95 + percent of Democrats will call for him to step aside. Sorry, but while Democrats may not be perfect they are a million times more ready to walk the walk on this stuff than you because we actually believe in this stuff. Franken, Governor Northam, Conyers, reassessing Bill Clinton. As much as you want to just project and say it's all politics and just going after our guy rather than any actual principle. You are the party that openly embraced and even defended as your candidate for president a guy who has over 30 women who have publicly come forward to accuse him of sexual assault, who has bragged about just walk him to women and grab them by the pussy and getting away with it because he's famous, and even brag on national TV about barging into the dressing room of beauty pageants he was in charge of to Ogle half naked and naked women and teenagers because he could get away with it. You were the party that decided allegations of sexual misconduct against prominent Republican politicians are presumed to be hit jobs by democrats and the liberal media and defend them accordingly. You are the folks that have pretty much disparage the whole me-too movement as feminist over-reach. You are the ones that let your defense of overwhelming evidence of trump being a serial poster boy for the me-too movement has let you into a recurring pattern of deny deny minimize deny. And then claimed yourself so you can not feel Solace, both sides are equally to blame and it's all politics yada yada yada. Don't ever ever look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself both sides do it and are just the same. You are just plain factually wrong.

I guess that bleeds into my third point, but the third fact here is the reaction of rape apologist posts throughout this thread make it so clear how the incel neckbeard internet Warrior demographic has become an actual tangible part of the Republican coalition. Though to be fair the right-wing in cell crowd is always been Prime source of the atlas right

[henster]

This is an all out coup.

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/notlarrysabato/status/1092449927991619584

[DrScholl]

This is an all out coup.

It surely is. They'd have to get rid of the Attorney General too to pull it off though.

[Matty]

Let's get three two plus two equals four facts straight here. First, by any reasonable assessment , that is someone not looking at this through the lens of a complete political hack, the allegations against Kavanaugh were vastly more credible then this one currently appears. It's not an issue of Party politics, just simply not being ignorant hack trying to prove a non-existent point. We can go right down the list of the multiple additional accusers against Cavanaugh whom Grassley suppress from testifying, the best friend who could supposedly verify who was in the room, to the calendar about drinking with squi, etc etc. Even if you don't believe such allegations,  any non hack  absolutely has to concede that this  clean  is  nowhere near  as  strong  as a simple matter of fact. If you truly believe that this account, such as it is, is truly equivalent to that presented against Cavanaugh, you are either ignorant or a complete right-wing hack rather than remotely impartial.

Secondly, let's get it straight here. If and I repeat if, these allegations against Fairfax ever grow to being even close to his credible as those against Kavanaugh, 90 to 95 + percent of Democrats will call for him to step aside. Sorry, but while Democrats may not be perfect they are a million times more ready to walk the walk on this stuff than you because we actually believe in this stuff. Franken, Governor Northam, Conyers, reassessing Bill Clinton. As much as you want to just project and say it's all politics and just going after our guy rather than any actual principle. You are the party that openly embraced and even defended as your candidate for president a guy who has over 30 women who have publicly come forward to accuse him of sexual assault, who has bragged about just walk him to women and grab them by the pussy and getting away with it because he's famous, and even brag on national TV about barging into the dressing room of beauty pageants he was in charge of to Ogle half naked and naked women and teenagers because he could get away with it. You were the party that decided allegations of sexual misconduct against prominent Republican politicians are presumed to be hit jobs by democrats and the liberal media and defend them accordingly. You are the folks that have pretty much disparage the whole me-too movement as feminist over-reach. You are the ones that let your defense of overwhelming evidence of trump being a serial poster boy for the me-too movement has let you into a recurring pattern of deny deny minimize deny. And then claimed yourself so you can not feel Solace, both sides are equally to blame and it's all politics yada yada yada. Don't ever ever look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself both sides do it and are just the same. You are just plain factually wrong.

I guess that bleeds into my third point, but the third fact here is the reaction of rape apologist posts throughout this thread make it so clear how the incel neckbeard internet Warrior demographic has become an actual tangible part of the Republican coalition. Though to be fair the right-wing in cell crowd is always been Prime source of the atlas right

It is simply not true at all that Kavanuagh's accusers were more credible. WE NEVER EVEN ESTABLISHED THEY KNEW EACH OTHER.

On the other hand, we know for a fact that tyson and fairfax were in the same hotel room at the 2004 dnc.

That alone makes this case more compelling, imo. Nevertheless, zero corroboration means I cannot arrive at the conclusion that he assaulted her.

But the bigger point is this: what the hell happened to you people and your "believe all women" crap?