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« Reply #200 on: November 15, 2021, 10:58:34 AM »

The continuing lockdown has probably hit government popularity a bit. Plus the Nationals are hardly brimming with talent - Collins took over because there was basically no one else!
This might be speculative but I think the fact that the lockdown is so regional might mean its impacts are more long-lasting and greater. It's harder to feel a sense of solidarity when the entire country isn't being locked down and I do think that even if the lockdown eases Labour's results in Auckland next election will be ugly.

Collins has become so tainted that I think if she's replaced with a younger more urban candidate close enough to the election to avoid getting too tainted but far enough away to get name recognition, Nationals will spike a great deal.
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« Reply #201 on: November 15, 2021, 11:34:35 AM »

The Maori have told anti-vaccine protesters to stop using a Haka.

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A Maori tribe has told anti-vaccine protesters in New Zealand to stop the use of a famous haka "immediately".

The Ka Mate haka is hugely popular as it is performed by national rugby team the All Blacks before every match.

The Ngati Toa tribe, which has legal guardianship of the haka, issued a strong notice after protestors performed the war dance during demonstrations last week.

The notice comes as vaccination rates among the Maori people have been low.

Just 61% of eligible Maori people are fully vaccinated and 77% have received their first dose. This is short of New Zealand's targeted rate of 90% among its eligible population.

"Ngati Toa condemns the use of the Ka Mate haka to push and promote anti-Covid-19 vaccination messages," said its chief executive officer Helmut Modlik in a statement.
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« Reply #202 on: November 21, 2021, 12:53:15 AM »
« Edited: November 21, 2021, 10:52:46 PM by Pericles »

A new Newshub poll also has similar results;
Labour-Labour-42.7% (- 0.3% on last poll, - 7.3% on 2020)
National-26.9% (-1.8%, +1.3%)
ACT-16.0% (+4.9%, +8.4%)
Green-7.2% (-1.3%, -0.7%)
Maori Party-2.1% (+0.2%, +0.9%, _)

The last Newshub poll was in July, so this covers the impact of the lockdown.

The government also announced that on November 29, it will confirm that the entire country will move to the traffic light system. So the Auckland lockdown will likely end just a few days after that, lasting for just over three months. A hard border between Auckland and the rest of New Zealand will remain until December 15. Then, adults will need to be vaccinated or have a negative test to leave Auckland, until January 17 when those restrictions should be lifted. The government has also confirmed that they don't plan to reopen the international border before Christmas, but instead in the 'first quarter' of 2022. New Zealand overall now has 91% of those eligible first dosed, and one of the three Auckland health boards has 90% double dosed. 149 cases were reported today, with 83 people in total in hospital.
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« Reply #203 on: November 21, 2021, 01:13:21 AM »

I keep repeating this but these numbers should make labour worry, a change of leadership in the nationals could leave them very vunerable.
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« Reply #204 on: November 21, 2021, 03:18:34 AM »

I keep repeating this but these numbers should make labour worry, a change of leadership in the nationals could leave them very vunerable.

Maybe, but you'd expect this to them to having a tough period polling-wise, and they could be helped by the reopening or even just that the election isn't really tomorrow so people don't really respond that way. Plus, while some New Zealand polling is accurate, Labour's support was also underestimated by 4% in the last election and nobody seemed to notice.
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« Reply #205 on: November 21, 2021, 10:35:53 AM »

Again, who is this as yet undiscovered person who is going to transform National's fortunes?

They've had a succession of rubbish leaders since Key for a reason.
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« Reply #206 on: November 21, 2021, 11:15:22 AM »
« Edited: November 21, 2021, 11:18:27 AM by Secretary of State Liberal Hack »

Again, who is this as yet undiscovered person who is going to transform National's fortunes?

They've had a succession of rubbish leaders since Key for a reason.
Some Auckland Backbencher who speaks well and comes off as cosmopolitan ?.(preferably a minority). Surely there is someone in the party that fits the bill. Judith's problem is she comes of as alien towards the cities and too provincial.

There's a real possibility that National can increase their share of vote from immigrant communities if they perceive labour as dragging their foot on ending the MIQ's given the national visible support for ending it.
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« Reply #207 on: November 21, 2021, 02:55:30 PM »

Again, who is this as yet undiscovered person who is going to transform National's fortunes?

They've had a succession of rubbish leaders since Key for a reason.
Some Auckland Backbencher who speaks well and comes off as cosmopolitan ?.(preferably a minority). Surely there is someone in the party that fits the bill. Judith's problem is she comes of as alien towards the cities and too provincial.

There's a real possibility that National can increase their share of vote from immigrant communities if they perceive labour as dragging their foot on ending the MIQ's given the national visible support for ending it.

They have a few people who fit the bill like Erica Stanford, Nicola Willis or Chris Bishop imo, but the problem is they're all too liberal to get elected by the current caucus. National is running on ending MIQ now for fully vaccinated New Zealanders, who arguably are lower risk of spreading Covid than Aucklanders. However, the first quarter is so close anyway that even though it would be tragic to miss Christmas with my family again, I get what the government is saying that they don't want to add to the 'cumulative risk', and keep cases low over summer before reopening.
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« Reply #208 on: November 21, 2021, 06:38:01 PM »

If the party get's desperate enough and one of them is ambitious enough, they might get elected as leader.
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« Reply #209 on: November 21, 2021, 10:55:52 PM »

The traffic light system will begin on Friday 3 December. I believe that is a 106 day lockdown for Auckland. Fortunately though, the large majority of New Zealand not in Auckland, the Waikato or Northland only had 3 weeks in lockdown despite the arrival of Delta.
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« Reply #210 on: November 21, 2021, 11:02:57 PM »

If Auckland was polled alone, would ACT come first there?
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« Reply #211 on: November 22, 2021, 06:24:31 AM »

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/newshub-reid-research-poll-simon-bridges-isn-t-ruling-out-another-tilt-at-national-leadership-and-he-s-got-public-s-support.html

I think Simon Bridge might do better this time around than his last time he was leader.
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« Reply #212 on: November 23, 2021, 10:47:14 PM »

There has been another announcement. The border will open, in three steps. This means that overseas arrivals will no longer need to go through managed isolation (14 days of hotel quarantine). This requirement will be replaced with a requirement that arrivals self-isolate at home for 7 days, have a negative test upon arrival and before leaving isolation, and are fully vaccinated. Hopefully these requirements won't be needed for long, but while it is a cautious reopening, it's still a huge relief to have the end in sight.
1. From January 17, New Zealanders from Australia will be no longer need to go through managed isolation.
2. From February 14, New Zealanders from anywhere in the world can come home without going through managed isolation.
3. From April 30, anyone can travel to New Zealand.
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« Reply #213 on: November 24, 2021, 03:47:22 AM »


That might not be happening anymore.



What a messy party lmao.
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« Reply #214 on: November 24, 2021, 03:11:34 PM »

Apparently Bridges’s supporters in the party are furious at Collins over this and planning a no confidence vote.
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« Reply #215 on: November 24, 2021, 08:01:09 PM »

Judith “Crusher” Collins is out as leader of the National Party

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/456496/live-judith-collins-steps-down-as-ational-party-leader-all-the-latest-updates

Dr. Shane Reti is the interim leader
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« Reply #216 on: November 24, 2021, 08:02:32 PM »

Good, the party's base needs to suck up and elect a liberal urbanite if they want to win the next election.
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« Reply #217 on: November 24, 2021, 09:22:29 PM »
« Edited: November 24, 2021, 11:50:28 PM by Jamás tuve una amistad con usted. »

Chris Luxon and Mark Mitchell are the frontrunners to replace Collins according to reports.
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« Reply #218 on: November 25, 2021, 03:56:13 AM »


Deservedly as more info has come to light. Simon Bridges only made a mildly crude remark (not fully clear what it was but it was based on "an old wive's tale" about having a baby apparently) that he apologised for at the time, and then she lied about having the backing of the party board, as well as bypassing her MPs. You wouldn't expect Judith Collins to go down as an ultra-PC feminist, but in her desperation that's how it turned out lol.
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« Reply #219 on: November 25, 2021, 12:06:46 PM »

Odds Simon becomes leader again before 2023?
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« Reply #220 on: November 25, 2021, 05:48:02 PM »


Deservedly as more info has come to light. Simon Bridges only made a mildly crude remark (not fully clear what it was but it was based on "an old wive's tale" about having a baby apparently) that he apologised for at the time, and then she lied about having the backing of the party board, as well as bypassing her MPs. You wouldn't expect Judith Collins to go down as an ultra-PC feminist, but in her desperation that's how it turned out lol.

What an absolute clown show Cheesy
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« Reply #221 on: November 25, 2021, 09:11:08 PM »


Pretty high, which says a lot about National lol
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« Reply #222 on: November 26, 2021, 04:04:11 AM »


Deservedly as more info has come to light. Simon Bridges only made a mildly crude remark (not fully clear what it was but it was based on "an old wive's tale" about having a baby apparently) that he apologised for at the time, and then she lied about having the backing of the party board, as well as bypassing her MPs. You wouldn't expect Judith Collins to go down as an ultra-PC feminist, but in her desperation that's how it turned out lol.

It also seems the MP involved, the alleged 'victim', did not want Collins to act like this either. She claimed that ""I approached Judith several weeks ago about my concerns and the conversation was in the context of the work I have been doing with the Francis review, and I found myself disclosing my experience," and that it was "not my intention" for it to be handled as it was.
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/not-my-intention-dean-disappointed-collins%E2%80%99-move-against-bridges
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« Reply #223 on: November 30, 2021, 12:42:00 AM »


Christopher Luxon has been elected leader of the National Party. Nicola Willis, one of the caucus liberals, has been elected Deputy. Simon Bridges dropped out of the leadership race before a vote. Luxon has only been an MP for a year, and is known for being the CEO of Air New Zealand. He has a socially conservative voting record, I think he even voted against safe spaces around abortion clinics, though how important this is to his politics is unclear. Overall, he is pretty unknown (see the Newshub poll), but National made the right move gambling on a fresh start instead of Simon Bridges.
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« Reply #224 on: November 30, 2021, 03:15:29 AM »

1. He looks like a bald Bill Clinton

2. He seems to have been made in Grandpa Muldoon’s secret lab to be the perfect leader for National (not that he is or isn’t, just that he’s had upper management written all over him since he entered Parliament).

3. Nicola Willis looks like an older Chlöe Swarbrick.
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