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Agonized-Statism
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« on: September 11, 2019, 07:38:39 PM »


President William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton (D-AR) / Vice President Albert Arnold "Al" Gore, Jr. (D-TN): 263 EV
✓ Senator Robert Joseph "Bob" Dole (R-KS) / Fmr. HUD Secretary Jack French Kemp (R-NY): 275 EV
Businessman Henry Ross Perot (REF-TX) / Economist Pat Choate (REF-TX): 0 EV

Me playing around with the map-making feature for the first time
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2019, 09:47:21 AM »

I've often thought about this, especially from a '40s perspective, when they saw FDR as this Energizer Bunny who would keep going on and on and on. I agree that six terms is about all he could have gotten. His vision for the American-led new world order would be very quickly challenged by the Soviets as in our world. McCarthy and the new generation of Cold Warriors wanted leadership and would have gone after him for it, not to mention he couldn't keep pushing off the Civil Rights question forever. I think 1956 Roosevelt would be seen similarly to 1974 Nixon: corrupt, paranoid, autocratic. What direction the Democrats take from there depends on the position he takes on Civil Rights.
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2019, 10:11:57 AM »
Quote from: Sir Mohamed on September 12, 2019, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: Anarcho-Statism on September 12, 2019, 09:47:21 AM

I've often thought about this, especially from a '40s perspective, when they saw FDR as this Energizer Bunny who would keep going on and on and on. I agree that six terms is about all he could have gotten. His vision for the American-led new world order would be very quickly challenged by the Soviets as in our world. McCarthy and the new generation of Cold Warriors wanted leadership and would have gone after him for it, not to mention he couldn't keep pushing off the Civil Rights question forever. I think 1956 Roosevelt would be seen similarly to 1974 Nixon: corrupt, paranoid, autocratic. What direction the Democrats take from there depends on the position he takes on Civil Rights.

Not sure FDR would have been that corrupt. Interesting question is which prez would have been elected to the most terms if he ran over and over again until he loses. I think Clinton would have pulled it off again in 2004, but zero chance in 2008, especially with the recession. Eisenhower and Reagan may have won 1964 and 1992 respectively. But it would have been close.

Maybe Teddy Roosevelt? I guess it depends on what he does with WWI.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2019, 08:35:41 AM »
Quote from: Pericles on September 14, 2019, 04:49:51 AM
Quote from: morgankingsley on September 14, 2019, 04:34:11 AM
Is this a Dukakis victory by universal swing?

Yes, a pretty narrow win (I believe the tipping point state is MI which he wins by 0.1%).

I always love doing these universal-swing-to-make-the-opponent-win maps because they allow you to see the underlying trends. You can kinda make out the 1992 map here with Montana and the slow Democratic improvement in the Minnesota-to-Louisiana stack (which started with the Farm Crisis). Also note how close South Dakota is, a staple of '60s-'80s maps- maybe all those Humphrey-McGovern voters.
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2019, 03:23:26 PM »


Here's a fairly even electoral flip of 1896.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2019, 11:04:14 AM »


President Ronald Wilson Reagan (R-CA) / Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush (R-TX) ✔
Senator Gary Warren Hart (D-CO) / Senator John Herschel Glenn, Jr. (D-OH)

Stereotypical best map possible against Reagan in 1984.
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2019, 12:48:38 PM »
1976 as a Landslide; AKA the Starting Map in The Campaign Trail



President Gerald Rudolph Ford, Jr. (R-MI) / Senator Robert Joseph "Bob" Dole (R-KS)
Fmr. Governor James Earl "Jimmy" Carter, Jr. (D-GA) / Senator Walter Frederick "Fritz" Mondale (D-MN) ✓
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2019, 10:34:35 PM »
1972



President Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Vice President Spiro Agnew (R-MD) ✓
Governor George Wallace (D-AL) / Fmr. Governor Albert "Happy" Chandler (D-KY)
Fmr. Senator Eugene McCarthy (I-MN) / Fmr. Governor Edmund "Pat" Brown (I-CA)
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2019, 09:55:43 AM »
Quote from: Cougar 2020 🐆 on October 18, 2019, 01:28:04 AM
What percentage of the popular vote do you see McCarthy/Brown getting?

Maybe around 5%-15%? Enough to give Nixon a plurality in critical states, but not enough to win any electoral votes.
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2019, 07:37:38 PM »
My Prediction for 2016 (Uh, I Can Explain)



Fmr. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / HUD Secretary Julián Castro (D-TX) ✓
Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI) / Governor Brian Sandoval (R-NV)

How I thought 2016 would go circa 2014. Where Romney failed in the Midwest because he looks like the guy who fired you, Ryan does this because he's the guy who'll actually fire you (objectivism and all that). He does, however, flip Colorado and New Hampshire because muh libertarianism, and brings Virginia home because Sandoval has that moderate appeal (young me unaware that Virginia has actually shifted Democratic because of demographics). Marco Rubio probably wins in 2020 and everyone lives happily ever after.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2019, 09:34:04 PM »
Meanwhile, In a Weird Alternate Universe Circa 1976



President George McGovern (D-SD) / Vice President Sargent Shriver (D-MD)
Governor Elvis Presley (R-MS) / Fmr. Secretary of the Treasury John Connally (R-TX) ✓
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2019, 11:45:26 PM »
1968 With Wallace Winning a Majority
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2019, 10:42:38 AM »


A 269-269 tie in 2008. For some reason.
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2020, 05:10:22 PM »
2012



President Barack Obama (D-IL) / Vice President Joe Biden (D-DE)
Senator Matthew Ellis (R-MA) / Secretary of Health and Human Services Miguel Rodriguez (R-CO) ✓
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2020, 03:30:43 PM »
Six years after the Blip...

2024



Congresswoman America Chavez (D-NY) / General James Rhodes (D-PA)
Senator Robert Kelly (R-MA)* / Businessman Simon Trask (R-CA) ✓

*Took Ellis' senate seat, but Ellis was a McCain and Kelly is a Trump
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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2020, 05:19:42 PM »
Quote from: Cory Booker on March 17, 2020, 03:42:53 PM
Obama wont lose PA with Biden on the ballot

Keep in mind, this is a superhero world where a major disaster just hit in New York City on the president's watch, and Pennsylvania was the closest of the Rust Belt three in our 2012. And I don't buy that Biden = Pennsylvania anyway.
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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2020, 03:48:55 PM »
2016



Fmr. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) - 176 EV
Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) / Businesswoman Carly Fiorina (R-CA) - 82 EV
Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) / Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard (I-HI) - 82 EV
Businessman Donald Trump (I-NY) / Governor Mike Pence (I-IN) - 198 EV

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2020, 09:49:18 PM »
1872



President Ulysses S. Grant (R-OH) / Senator Henry Wilson (R-MA)
Publisher Horace Greeley (LR-NY) / Governor Benjamin Brown (LR-MO)
Activist Victoria Woodhull (ER-OH) / Activist Frederick Douglass (R-NY) ✓
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2020, 04:20:35 PM »
Quote from: bagelman on April 09, 2020, 02:49:11 PM
2024: Vice President Kamala Harris is crushed.

By who?
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2020, 11:38:52 PM »
2052



Governor Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) / Senator Juan Sandrino (D-NM)
Fmr. General Dan Batista (R-TX) / Senator Jacob Nachman (R-CT) ✓

Popular war hero and tricky little McCarthyist punk defeat trembling egghead and generic blue meat politician.
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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2020, 10:22:37 AM »
2020



President Donald Trump (R-FL) / Vice President Mike Pence (R-IN)
Fmr. Vice President Joe Biden (D-DE) / Senator Kamala Harris (D-CA) ✓

Turnout is depressed with older voters in particular. Biden ekes out a victory.

2024



Vice President Kamala Harris (D-CA) / Governor Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) ✓
Fmr. Governor Nikki Haley (R-SC) / Fmr. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo (R-KS)

The 2020-22 recession enters a slow recovery. Experts proclaim a Sino-American Cold War. Biden's Vice President runs. The Warren Democrats push for Sherrod Brown as the running mate, get brushed aside, and take it like true progressives. In the GOP primaries, old names like Cruz go nowhere. Ron DeSantis and Rick Scott destroy each other, Josh Hawley is unable to expand his base beyond the Midwest. Haley ekes out a narrow victory and loses the general.

2028



President Kamala Harris (D-CA) / Vice President Andrew Cuomo (D-NY)
Governor Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) / Fmr. Governor Kristi Noem (R-SD) ✓

The economy tanks again. For a few days, war in the South China Sea looks inevitable. Peak oil looks likely in the near future. The Republican wins big with rhetoric similar to Trump only hawkish and stern.

2032



President Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) / Vice President Kristi Noem (R-SD) ✓
Senator Ruben Gallego (D-AZ) / Senator Tammy Duckworth (D-IL)

The Iran War is underway. Troops bring SARS-CoV-3 home.
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2020, 11:07:51 PM »


President Bill Clinton (D-AR) / Vice President Al Gore (D-TN) ✓
Governor Bud Dwyer (R-PA) / Senator Connie Mack (R-FL)
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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2020, 11:52:15 PM »


President Donald Trump (R-FL) / Vice President Mike Pence (R-IN) ✓
Mayor Bill Dewey (D-DE) / Senator Kamala Harris (D-CA)
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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2020, 11:44:26 AM »
Quote from: morgankingsley on October 02, 2020, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: Anarcho-Statism on October 01, 2020, 11:52:15 PM


President Donald Trump (R-FL) / Vice President Mike Pence (R-IN) ✓
Mayor Bill Dewey (D-DE) / Senator Kamala Harris (D-CA)

What is this PV

I must be exhausted because when I first saw this I thought "woah that's a giant landslide"

I don't bother with the popular vote but it's probably a slim Democrat victory.
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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2020, 05:12:36 PM »


Vice President Al Gore (R-TN) / Senator Joe Lieberman (D-CT)
Senator Richard Martinez (R-NM) / Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN) ✓
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