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[bagelman]

A Worse 2016:



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Romney wins in 2012



McCain wins '08



McCain wins in '04



(all of these are separate timelines of course)

[MadmanMotley]

1988 Liberalism Renewed in the US:



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[Brother Jonathan]

It Can't Happen Here, based on what I remember of the book:

[BigVic]

1988 Liberalism Renewed in the US:



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First black President 20 years earlier and Obama still serves.

[BigVic]

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[BigVic]

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[Zedonathin2020]

John Kasich is elected President

2016


Governor John Kasich (R-OH) / Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) - 326 EV ✓
Fmr. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) - 212 EV




2020


President John Kasich (R-OH) / Vice President Marco Rubio (R-FL) - 326 EV ✓
Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT) / Representative Barbara Lee (D-CA) - 212 EV




2024

Vice President Marco Rubio (R-FL) / Secretary of State Nikki Haley (R-SC) - 298 EV ✓
Senator Kamala Harris (D-CA) / Fmr. Representative Tim Ryan (D-OH) - 240 EV




2028

Governor Maura Healy (D-MA) / Governor Wes Moore (D-MD) - 303 EV ✓
President Marco Rubio (R-FL) / Vice President Nikki Haley (R-SC) - 235 EV




2032

Senator Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) / Senator J.D. Vance (R-OH) - 279 EV ✓
President Maura Healy (D-MA) / Vice President Wes Moore (D-MI) - 259 EV




2036

Fmr. Vice President Wes Moore (D-MD) / Senator Mallory McMorrow (D-MI) - 259 EV ✓
President Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) / Vice President J.D. Vance (R-OH) - 279 EV




2040

President Wes Moore (D-MD) / Vice President Mallory McMorrow (D-MI) - 407 EV ✓
Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) / Senator Byron Donalds (R-FL) - 131 EV

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

33. Wendell L. Willkie (R) - January 20, 1941 - August 7, 1945
34. Harold E. Stassen (R) - August 7, 1945 - January 20, 1949
35. Harry S. Truman (D) - January 20, 1949 - January 20, 1953

1940:

Willkie/McNary (R) - 271 EV/ 48.9% PV
Roosevelt/Garner (D) - 260 EV/ 49.8% PV

1944:

Willkie/Stassen (R) - 400 EV/ 54.0% PV
Byrnes/Douglas (D) - 131 EV/ 44.3% PV

1948:

Truman/Barkley (D) - 202 EV/ 44.1%
Stassen/Warren (R) - 248 EV/ 45.7%
Thurmond/Faubus (S) - 81 EV/ 7.0%

[BigVic]

John Kasich is elected President

2016


Governor John Kasich (R-OH) / Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) - 326 EV ✓
Fmr. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) - 212 EV




2020


President John Kasich (R-OH) / Vice President Marco Rubio (R-FL) - 326 EV ✓
Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT) / Representative Barbara Lee (D-CA) - 212 EV




2024

Vice President Marco Rubio (R-FL) / Secretary of State Nikki Haley (R-SC) - 298 EV ✓
Senator Kamala Harris (D-CA) / Fmr. Representative Tim Ryan (D-OH) - 240 EV




2028

Governor Maura Healy (D-MA) / Governor Wes Moore (D-MD) - 303 EV ✓
President Marco Rubio (R-FL) / Vice President Nikki Haley (R-SC) - 235 EV




2032

Senator Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) / Senator J.D. Vance (R-OH) - 279 EV ✓
President Maura Healy (D-MA) / Vice President Wes Moore (D-MI) - 259 EV




2036

Fmr. Vice President Wes Moore (D-MD) / Senator Mallory McMorrow (D-MI) - 259 EV ✓
President Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) / Vice President J.D. Vance (R-OH) - 279 EV




2040

President Wes Moore (D-MD) / Vice President Mallory McMorrow (D-MI) - 407 EV ✓
Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) / Senator Byron Donalds (R-FL) - 131 EV

Wes Moore!

[Anti-Bothsidesism]

100k proportional 1976 election

[BigVic]

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[Anti-Bothsidesism]

100k proportional 1980 election

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

303 BLUE WALL MAP

[Ragnaroni]

A really long term map judging on long term trends :


I can see a North-South transfer of states and a strengthening of the Northern GOP as the party becomes more secular populist while Southerners face influxes from the North and may not vote GOP if it goes secular. I don't think hispanics are gonna be reliably more GOP but I think Asians will be more divided in their votes.

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

2008
2012

[MadmanMotley]

US House if the 1929 Reapportionment Act was never passed, and the district size continued to be about 280k people per district.



2020 Congressional Election based on 2020 Presidential vote totals:

[Agonized-Statism]

The 2020 United Workers' Republics presidential election based on a crude estimation of the popular vote within the pre-revolution state borders[1], a typical Socialist Labor Party victory but with an alarmingly decent performance for the minor parties amid the COVID-19 pandemic. Most notably, the Black Panther movement of the Black Belt Autonomous Republic aligns itself with the left-oppositionist Socialist Liberation Party for the first time since the Fall of Nixon[2]. The Ecological Society and the Social Democrats likewise pick up voters in the Southwest and Plains respectively over ongoing debates on energy policy- there's a solar power boom in the former and concerns over the return of Collectivization Era attacks on private property in the latter with calls to turn the diminishing agricultural land into a nature preserve or wind farm.



[1] Intended for internal consumption in the United States, or Hawaii as it insists on calling itself now despite the White Terror and continuing discrimination against actual indigenous Hawaiians.
[2] The New Left was united for a time before Ecology split off from Socialist Liberation with the disastrous presidency of Jimmy Carter, a former Lieutenant Colonel of the Strategic Atomic Forces credited with disobeying orders and preventing erroneous retaliatory nuclear attack.

[Bakersfield Uber Alles]

The 2020 United Workers' Republics presidential election based on a crude estimation of the popular vote within the pre-revolution state borders[1], a typical Socialist Labor Party victory but with an alarmingly decent performance for the minor parties amid the COVID-19 pandemic. Most notably, the Black Panther movement of the Black Belt Autonomous Republic aligns itself with the left-oppositionist Socialist Liberation Party for the first time since the Fall of Nixon[2]. The Ecological Society and the Social Democrats likewise pick up voters in the Southwest and Plains respectively over ongoing debates on energy policy- there's a solar power boom in the former and concerns over the return of Collectivization Era attacks on private property in the latter with calls to turn the diminishing agricultural land into a nature preserve or wind farm.



[1] Intended for internal consumption in the United States, or Hawaii as it insists on calling itself now despite the White Terror and continuing discrimination against actual indigenous Hawaiians.
[2] The New Left was united for a time before Ecology split off from Socialist Liberation with the disastrous presidency of Jimmy Carter, a former Lieutenant Colonel of the Strategic Atomic Forces credited with disobeying orders and preventing erroneous retaliatory nuclear attack.

I wonder what Hawaii’s elections look like in this timeline.

[Agonized-Statism]

I wonder what Hawaii’s elections look like in this timeline.

The Democrats were never significant in pre-revolution Hawaii, and with the federal government's retreat from the mainland in 1935, they were folded into a National Union Party that dominated politics until the rise of the Progressive Party in the post-MacArthur years. The Progressives are pretty neat, they want a Hawaiian national identity that includes the colonizers and they also want their Anglo-Japanese backers to go to war with the International, which would quickly become the end of the world. It's a pretty balanced two-party system these days. The electoral college was abolished once it became clear that the mainland wouldn't be coming back anytime soon, so the president is elected by popular vote now just like in the Workers' Republics.

[Agonized-Statism]

2100


The 21st century was one of general stagnation, and the 22nd will be one of regression. Extensive fighting to maintain the American empire- especially as a parallel China-led global order emerged in earnest from its present day contours in the 2030s- would culminate in a third world war in the 2060s. No one won. No attempts were made by the Allies to invade China proper while the blockade failed without sufficient cooperation from neutrals, and the exhaustion of the superpowers confirmed what the rest of the world already understood: there could be no global consensus. Amid runaway climate change, mass extinction, and resource depletion, each region had to coordinate its own response.

The Democrats' heyday was the peak of the green welfare state and consensus politics of continued development through social floors and environmental ceilings for capitalism. The abilities of the federal government and the global corporations they coexist with have diminished greatly since the war, however, and the long fermenting communitarian ideas in the Republican Party were codified as Green Realism: the collapse was an opportunity for traditional cultures and communities to flourish. Politics became local again. This appealed most to the winners of deglobalization- the Rust Belt cities in renaissance, the country's new breadbasket along the Canadian border, the scenic Idahoan wine country, the fiercely autonomous Portland-Vancouver Municipal Association and the supporters of the Democratic Confederalist party that notoriously broke the Democrats' back in the immediate aftermath of the war. The Democrats are the party of the old order, the cheated veterans, the climate refugee underclass, the destitute Sand States, the once high-opportunity Sun Belt cities that swelled with those from the abandoned coastal communities and are themselves increasingly left to ruin. While the United States is now widely recognized as a civilizational crossroads between the Anglosphere and Latin America, the borderlands are thinning as Spanish speakers leave for the opportunity of the Mexican Miracle in equal measure.

[darklordoftech]

Upon A Cross of Transgenderism (An Ideology)
Or, Blatant Wish Fullfillment

2024

President Joe Biden (D-DE) / Vice President Kamala Harris (D-CA) - 319 EVs from 26 states, DC, and NE-02, 52.1% of NPV
Former President Donald Trump (R-FL) / Congresswoman Elise Stefanik (R-NY) - 219 EVs from 24 states and ME-02, 46.1% of NPV

2028

Governor Matt Walsh (R-TN) / Senator Joni Ernst (R-IA) - 270 EVs from 28 states and ME-02, 46.4% of NPV
Vice President Kamala Harris (D-CA) / Former UN Ambassador Pete Buttigieg (D-MI) - 268 EVs from 22 states, DC, and NE-02, 50.8% of NPV

2032

Senator Becca Balint (D-VT) / Senator Raphael Warnock (D-GA) - 440 EVs from 38 states, DC, NE-01, and NE-02, 59.6% of NPV
President Matt Walsh (R-TN) / Vice President Joni Ernst (R-IA) - 98 EVs from 12 states, 38.5% of NPV

2036

President Becca Balint (D-VT) / Vice President Raphael Warnock (D-GA) - 514 EVs from 51 states and 64.8% of NPV
President Matt Walsh (R-TN) / Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) - 34 EVs from 1 state, 31.4% of NPV

2040

Governor Sarah McBride (Liberal-DE) / Senator Alex Padilla (L-CA) - 285 EV from 19 states, 40.9% of NPV
Senator Zooey Zephyr (Socialist-MT) / Senator Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (S-NY) - 262 EV from 33 states and 41.2% of NPV
Former President Matt Walsh (R-TN) / Former Senator Matt Gaetz (R-FL) - 0 EV from 0 states, 14.9% of NPV

2030s EV numbers from Skill and Chance, linked here.

Matt Walsh is Roy Moore-level unelectable.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

Matt Walsh is Roy Moore-level unelectable.

Yes, and it takes a perfect storm for him to be elected. The other two major contenders at the 2028 RNC (contested due to fact Trump dies after the primaries) were Nikki Haley and Tim Scott. Both would've won the NPV, and the electoral vote by more than 50 votes in North Carolina.

[MadmanMotley]

1980: Carter Manages to Rescue both the Iran Hostages and his presidency at the 11th Hour


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[LabourJersey]

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[OBD]

What Can't Money Buy? - a mini-TL (part 1)

"NBC Projection: Mark Robinson defeats Josh Stein in critical NC Governor's Race
NBC; November 6, 2024

"Prominent YouTuber MrBeast breaks political silence: condemns North Carolina's 'radical' anti-trans policies"
Huffington Post; June 1, 2027

"MrBeast would kick Mark Robinson's ass. Book it, bank it."
unknown YouTuber; July 3, 2027

"Report: YouTube celebrity Jimmy Donaldson weighs independent challenge to controversial Governor Mark Robinson"  
POLITICO; July 15, 2027

"In many ways, Jimmy Donaldson is a risky political unknown with past controversies strewn across the internet for all the see. However, he also has a cult following among many young voters and an unprecedented ability to self-fund - strengths that have frozen the Democratic field in his wake."
@NateSilver; July 27, 2027

"Robinson approval deeply underwater"
Gallup; August 2, 2027

"I Ran For Governor of North Carolina"
MrBeast; August 8, 2027

"YouTuber Jimmy Donaldson, in a last gasp for fame, declares run for North Carolina Governorship"
Newsmax; August 8, 2027

"YouTube celebrity Jimmy Donaldson, better known as MrBeast, announces run for NC Governorship in splashy YouTube video, attacking Governor Robinson's 'divisive' agenda"
New York Times; August 8, 2027

"Donaldson Gubernatorial campaign reportedly sets fundraising record in opening days"
CNN; August 15, 2027

"Former Governor Roy Cooper eyes Senate run"
Charlotte Observer; September 10, 2027

"BREAKING: Donaldson meets with DGA Chair Shapiro"
POLITICO; September 17, 2027

"Are Democrats shying away from complicated NC gubernatorial election?"
Washington Post; September 30, 2027

"Op-ed: In Mark Robinson's bigoted North Carolina, Jimmy Donaldson emerges as an unlikely champion of trans rights"
Rep. Sarah McBride (D-DE); November 10, 2027

"Op-ed: Billionaire playboy Jimmy Donaldson as North Carolina's progressive savior? Don't make me laugh."
The Duke Chronicle; November 10, 2027

"As filing deadline approaches, Democrats appear to be clearing the path for independent candidate Jimmy Donaldson. However, Charles Graham, a former State Senator and congressional candidate, appears determined to stay in the race."
@DaveWasserman; January 9, 2028

"Jimmy 'MrBeast' Donaldson Is Already Dominating The Airwaves - beating out Robinson, Trump, and DeSantis"
The News and Observer; March 3, 2028

"As NC Greens prepare to field candidate, progressive skepticism of Donaldson continues to proliferate"
POLITICO; May 14, 2028

"Donaldson is running a very online, very novel campaign. Can this innovative approach take down liberals's most hated Governor?"
Vox; June 3, 2028

"Eschewing Graham, Donaldson campaign reportedly 'in dialogue' with DNC"
FOX News; June 20, 2028

"Senator Jackson: Donaldson is the best man for the job, will bring 'new ideas' to Raleigh"
POLITICO; June 29, 2028

"For the first time in decades, a viable third-party candidacy has emerged in North Carolina. So, why is this election more acrimonious and polarized than ever?"
Charlotte Observer; July 4, 2028

"Former Staffer: MrBeast campaign a 'hot mess', crippled by 'chronic inexperience'"
Newsmax; July 10, 2028

"First look: Donaldson holds solid lead over Robinson, Graham with many voters undecided"
Quinnipiac; July 15, 2028

"Jimmy Donaldson's rabid, uncivilized supporters are a legitimate danger to the people of North Carolina"
Gov. Mark Robinson at Asheboro campaign stop; July 29, 2028

"The Elon Musk skeleton: Donaldson under fire from progressives for stating his 'continued respect' for disgraced Twitter tycoon"
Vox; August 4, 2028

"MrBeast vs. The Past"
The Atlantic; August 17, 2028

"In virtual appearance at DNC, Donaldson hypes up supporters, attacks opponent Robinson"
CNN; August 21, 2028

"The Donaldson campaign's cash reserves - from historic fundraising numbers to a massive personal injection - beggar the mind"
Washington Post; September 2, 2028

"Eschewing flashy media and vicious attacks, Charles Graham runs a quiet, traditional - and effective? - campaign"
Robesonian; September 6, 2028

"Robinson is one of the most unpopular governors in the nation, but Jimmy Donaldson's badly-run campaign could leave the door open for an upset victory"
The Hill; September 14, 2028

"DEADLOCK IN NC: Robinson 35, Donaldson 35, Graham 20"
Rasmussen; September 20, 2028

"Are 'Kids for MrBeast' an actual political force in this election?"
News And Observer; October 1, 2028

"In NC, Donaldson-Robinson debate attracts higher viewership than Trump-Harris"
CNN; October 2, 2028

"While left-wing Democrats remain skeptical of Donaldson, he appears to be getting strong crossover from suburban and exurban conservative families and is crushing Robinson among young voters"
538; October 9, 2028

"Report: Donaldson declines Harris appearance at Winston-Salem rally?"
FOX News; October 14, 2028

"Opinion: If Donaldson takes his YouTube channel's charity-based approach into the Governor's office, North Carolina is screwed"
Vox; October 17, 2028

"Will Charles Graham split the vote and re-elect Mark Robinson?"
POLITICO; October 20, 2028

"Will progressives hold their noses and vote Donaldson?"
POLITICO; October 23, 2028

"Is Donaldson pulling away?"
CNN; October 27, 2028

"In final appeals to public, Donaldson touts moderation and independent vision, while Robinson rails against Donaldson's 'radical California values"
Charlotte Observer; November 3, 2028

"While the presidential candidates don't inspire enthusiasm, people are actually excited to vote here in North Carolina. Who will benefit in one of the strangest elections in the country?"
NBC; November 4, 2028

"These are the weirdest damn coalitions we've seen in a while"
@NateSilver; November 5, 2028



"MrBeast is North Carolina's next Governor. Could the White House be his next stop?"
POLITICO; November 6, 2028