Crisis in Venezuela

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

what evidence is there that Guaidó is a puppet of someone like Bolton?  He seems to have become active in 2007, do you think Bolton was puppeting him then, or maybe the Obama administration started the puppet?  Or did it start later?  What's the puppet strings?  money? does Bolton have Guaidó's wife in a basement somewhere?  "promises" of support?  Is this just a "gut" thing for you?

Remember many posters on the far left prefer Castro to Reagan

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=253475.0


Along with Bernie as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phTKpMh5jQI

Anyone who cares about humanity prefers Castro to Reagan.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

America has not fought a war that we should have fought for except for maybeeee Afghanistan (and even then not to this crazy extent) since WW2.

The Korean was clearly justified as the North and the Commies were the clear aggressor. The only bad part was the North didnt fall as well which it would have if UN forces stopped after capturing Pyongyang instead of going to the Yalu River.

While getting a different Communist regime in a rump North Korea might have been possible had the UN not tried pushing to the Yalu, a total collapse just wasn't going to happen without that push.

Incidentally, Maduro's major concern isn't Guaidó per se but an internal coup that puts another PSUV member in nominal charge. That's the most likely outcome at this point in my opinion.

[PSOL]

Guaidó is now continuing to ask the U.S. to intervene. What a pathetic attempt this all is. Mark my words, I will get wasted on tequila when Venezuelan authorities apprehend him for this “uprising”, as described by the mainstream news networks.

And we could have gotten an actual reformer if the Opposition wasn’t an elitist echo chamber trying to grab at early momentum, what a waste.

In more informative matters, Venezuela reopens borders with Brazil and Aruba

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I quit taking Guaido seriously after the coup. He screwed the pooch and his future includes exile in Colombia.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

In more informative matters, Venezuela reopens borders with Brazil and Aruba

But will Brazil or Aruba want those borders open? Trump isn't the only one who doesn't like refugees and Venezuela spits out a lot more of them than does Central America.

[Skye]

Guaidó's moves are very, very limited right now. He also has to battle an increasingly vocal segment of the population that argues that the only solution is a US military intervention, and blames him for not asking for it; which is probably why he made this statement. The WaPo published an article this week that Trump doesn't want a military intervention (obvs), so the US will probably continue their sanctions policy for now.

[Bismarck]

what evidence is there that Guaidó is a puppet of someone like Bolton?  He seems to have become active in 2007, do you think Bolton was puppeting him then, or maybe the Obama administration started the puppet?  Or did it start later?  What's the puppet strings?  money? does Bolton have Guaidó's wife in a basement somewhere?  "promises" of support?  Is this just a "gut" thing for you?

Remember many posters on the far left prefer Castro to Reagan

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=253475.0


Along with Bernie as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phTKpMh5jQI

Anyone who cares about humanity prefers Castro to Reagan.

And ignore...

[PSOL]

Maduro proposing early elections
This could be the end to the Opposition Roundtable. Maybe next time they’ll be more pragmatic enough to come to the negotiation table, instead of stir **** up with a failed coup and then b*** about it on Twitter, either in Southern Florida or uptown Caracas.

[Lumine]

Maduro proposing early elections
This could be the end to the Opposition Roundtable. Maybe next time they’ll be more pragmatic enough to come to the negotiation table, instead of stir **** up with a failed coup and then b*** about it on Twitter, either in Southern Florida or uptown Caracas.

Not to defend the lack of competence of the Opposition, but what exactly is to be achieved at the negotiation table with Maduro? They have participated in different talks in the past and the answer from Maduro was pretty much always the same, which is to outright refuse any sort of negotiated solution beyond offering "elections" which are bound to be rigged and/or made unwinnable by the Opposition. His idea of a negotiated compromise was that remarkably fair and transparent Presidential election last year.

That the Opposition will have to negotiate in a more effective manner with Chavistas or government-aligned forces if it aspires to ever take part in a transition (though that opportunity seems to have gone out the window with the utter mess of a few days ago) is certainly clear, but it seems remarkably pointless to enter into talks again and again with Maduro so he can stall and win time.

[PSOL]

Maduro proposing early elections
This could be the end to the Opposition Roundtable. Maybe next time they’ll be more pragmatic enough to come to the negotiation table, instead of stir **** up with a failed coup and then b*** about it on Twitter, either in Southern Florida or uptown Caracas.

Not to defend the lack of competence of the Opposition, but what exactly is to be achieved at the negotiation table with Maduro? They have participated in different talks in the past and the answer from Maduro was pretty much always the same, which is to outright refuse any sort of negotiated solution beyond offering "elections" which are bound to be rigged and/or made unwinnable by the Opposition. His idea of a negotiated compromise was that remarkably fair and transparent Presidential election last year.

That the Opposition will have to negotiate in a more effective manner with Chavistas or government-aligned forces if it aspires to ever take part in a transition (though that opportunity seems to have gone out the window with the utter mess of a few days ago) is certainly clear, but it seems remarkably pointless to enter into talks again and again with Maduro so he can stall and win time.

When they still had high ground, it was clear that entering into negotiation talks in Mexico while encouraging more protests would boost their chances, not go for the incredibly risky Coup attempt. At least that way they can look more legitimate and professional than the Chavistas while decrying the empty promises of the government. Now, their chances are squandered and Maduro has the upper hand.

[Omega21]

Vanessa Neumann - Guaido's envoy to the UK did an interview with Tim Sebastian in the "Conflict Zone".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHrOm4qHLC4

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/26/18640654/lindsey-graham-trump-invade-venezuela-reagan-grenada

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a close ally of President Donald Trump, suggested the president take a tough stance in dealing with the ongoing Venezuelan crisis: A US invasion similar to the one executed by Ronald Reagan in Grenada back in 1983.

“Trump said rightly, Maduro’s not the legitimate leader of Venezuela. The entire region supports the Trump approach, that Guaidó is the legitimate leader,” Graham said on Fox News Sunday. “I would do exactly what Reagan did. I would give Cuba the ultimatum to get out of Venezuela. If they don’t, I would let the Venezuelan military know, you’ve got to choose between democracy and Maduro. And if you choose Maduro and Cuba, we’re coming after you. This is in our backyard.”

[Velasco]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/26/18640654/lindsey-graham-trump-invade-venezuela-reagan-grenada

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a close ally of President Donald Trump, suggested the president take a tough stance in dealing with the ongoing Venezuelan crisis: A US invasion similar to the one executed by Ronald Reagan in Grenada back in 1983.

“Trump said rightly, Maduro’s not the legitimate leader of Venezuela. The entire region supports the Trump approach, that Guaidó is the legitimate leader,” Graham said on Fox News Sunday. “I would do exactly what Reagan did. I would give Cuba the ultimatum to get out of Venezuela. If they don’t, I would let the Venezuelan military know, you’ve got to choose between democracy and Maduro. And if you choose Maduro and Cuba, we’re coming after you. This is in our backyard.”

Apparently that Lindsey Graham thinks that a military invasion of Venezuela will be as simple and easy as the invasion of the tiny Grenada. I foresee a huge success for the future US ventures with such brilliant blockheads in Capitol Hill.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/26/18640654/lindsey-graham-trump-invade-venezuela-reagan-grenada

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a close ally of President Donald Trump, suggested the president take a tough stance in dealing with the ongoing Venezuelan crisis: A US invasion similar to the one executed by Ronald Reagan in Grenada back in 1983.

“Trump said rightly, Maduro’s not the legitimate leader of Venezuela. The entire region supports the Trump approach, that Guaidó is the legitimate leader,” Graham said on Fox News Sunday. “I would do exactly what Reagan did. I would give Cuba the ultimatum to get out of Venezuela. If they don’t, I would let the Venezuelan military know, you’ve got to choose between democracy and Maduro. And if you choose Maduro and Cuba, we’re coming after you. This is in our backyard.”

Apparently that Lindsey Graham thinks that a military invasion of Venezuela will be as simple and easy as the invasion of the tiny Grenada. I foresee a huge success for the future US ventures with such brilliant blockheads in Capitol Hill.

Best part the Grenada invasion, while a sealed deal from the beginning, was still relatively difficult due to the resistance put up, which the U.S. didn't anticipate.

Schwarzkopf recalls in his memories the U.S. commanders being absolutely confident that the Grenadian forces would simply surrender and the Cubans won't react.

Now, amplify this dozens of times when talking about Venezuela.

[CumbrianLefty]

IIRC the US military experienced more resistance than they expected in the 1989 Panama invasion as well.