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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2019, 12:35:51 PM »

She's 27 years old. She's not eligible to run until she's 35, so i think at the very earliest it will be 2028. I think it's unlikely she will run than, but she might try to run for senate or governor at some point. I think she will stay in the house for like 20 years probably now, and she could run for a higher office somewhere in the 2030's and for president possibly in 2040's.

The problem is that AOC will face almost 30 years of negative coverage in the process of running for higher office, and as the Democratic Party will be moving to the left (esp. on social issues), her ideas will become more established. I don't think her persona and her position will make it easy for her to ever become president. I mean if she was eligible to run, she would have no chance to be elected. She clearly knows that, and she doesn't have the intention to do that as well.

My bet would be never, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. She is able to do more as a congressmember i believe.

I could see her running for governor after Cuomo is out, but president? 2032 at the earliest.

I have a hard time imagining her to run for governor. It will probably be someone else. She also has less political influence as a governor, so i don't think that will happen, although she will be a high profile politician (and she already is, because she influences the Democratic Party, and act as a 'leader' of the progressive wing). A governor is usually more "moderate" or more "centrist" than house or senate members, especially from the Democratic Party. I don't see it happening, and i don't think it would be a good idea either.

It's not impossible that she'll shift to the right on issues. She's still young. Who knows who she will be in 20 years. I mean look at Sinema or Gillibrand.
She's 29 years old, for one. She'll turn 35 just before the 2024 election. Second, she has 32-31 favorability, and people who don't know her skew young, female, and black or hispanic, so her support will probably rise. She's not nearly as unpopular as people seem to think she is. She could easily win a statewide election in New York and would have a very solid chance in 2024 or 2028.
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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2019, 03:54:24 PM »

She's 27 years old. She's not eligible to run until she's 35, so i think at the very earliest it will be 2028. I think it's unlikely she will run than, but she might try to run for senate or governor at some point. I think she will stay in the house for like 20 years probably now, and she could run for a higher office somewhere in the 2030's and for president possibly in 2040's.

The problem is that AOC will face almost 30 years of negative coverage in the process of running for higher office, and as the Democratic Party will be moving to the left (esp. on social issues), her ideas will become more established. I don't think her persona and her position will make it easy for her to ever become president. I mean if she was eligible to run, she would have no chance to be elected. She clearly knows that, and she doesn't have the intention to do that as well.

My bet would be never, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. She is able to do more as a congressmember i believe.

I could see her running for governor after Cuomo is out, but president? 2032 at the earliest.

I have a hard time imagining her to run for governor. It will probably be someone else. She also has less political influence as a governor, so i don't think that will happen, although she will be a high profile politician (and she already is, because she influences the Democratic Party, and act as a 'leader' of the progressive wing). A governor is usually more "moderate" or more "centrist" than house or senate members, especially from the Democratic Party. I don't see it happening, and i don't think it would be a good idea either.

It's not impossible that she'll shift to the right on issues. She's still young. Who knows who she will be in 20 years. I mean look at Sinema or Gillibrand.
She's 29 years old, for one. She'll turn 35 just before the 2024 election. Second, she has 32-31 favorability, and people who don't know her skew young, female, and black or hispanic, so her support will probably rise. She's not nearly as unpopular as people seem to think she is. She could easily win a statewide election in New York and would have a very solid chance in 2024 or 2028.
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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2019, 08:03:57 PM »

She's 27 years old. She's not eligible to run until she's 35, so i think at the very earliest it will be 2028. I think it's unlikely she will run than, but she might try to run for senate or governor at some point. I think she will stay in the house for like 20 years probably now, and she could run for a higher office somewhere in the 2030's and for president possibly in 2040's.

The problem is that AOC will face almost 30 years of negative coverage in the process of running for higher office, and as the Democratic Party will be moving to the left (esp. on social issues), her ideas will become more established. I don't think her persona and her position will make it easy for her to ever become president. I mean if she was eligible to run, she would have no chance to be elected. She clearly knows that, and she doesn't have the intention to do that as well.

My bet would be never, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. She is able to do more as a congressmember i believe.

I could see her running for governor after Cuomo is out, but president? 2032 at the earliest.

I have a hard time imagining her to run for governor. It will probably be someone else. She also has less political influence as a governor, so i don't think that will happen, although she will be a high profile politician (and she already is, because she influences the Democratic Party, and act as a 'leader' of the progressive wing). A governor is usually more "moderate" or more "centrist" than house or senate members, especially from the Democratic Party. I don't see it happening, and i don't think it would be a good idea either.

It's not impossible that she'll shift to the right on issues. She's still young. Who knows who she will be in 20 years. I mean look at Sinema or Gillibrand.
She's 29 years old, for one. She'll turn 35 just before the 2024 election. Second, she has 32-31 favorability, and people who don't know her skew young, female, and black or hispanic, so her support will probably rise. She's not nearly as unpopular as people seem to think she is. She could easily win a statewide election in New York and would have a very solid chance in 2024 or 2028.
LOL, who told you this?
She has positive favorability nationwide and people who don't know about her are disproportionately Democrats. It'd be very weird if a Democrat who has net positive favorability nationwide has net negative in a blue state they live in.
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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2019, 08:39:51 PM »

She's 27 years old. She's not eligible to run until she's 35, so i think at the very earliest it will be 2028. I think it's unlikely she will run than, but she might try to run for senate or governor at some point. I think she will stay in the house for like 20 years probably now, and she could run for a higher office somewhere in the 2030's and for president possibly in 2040's.

The problem is that AOC will face almost 30 years of negative coverage in the process of running for higher office, and as the Democratic Party will be moving to the left (esp. on social issues), her ideas will become more established. I don't think her persona and her position will make it easy for her to ever become president. I mean if she was eligible to run, she would have no chance to be elected. She clearly knows that, and she doesn't have the intention to do that as well.

My bet would be never, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. She is able to do more as a congressmember i believe.

I could see her running for governor after Cuomo is out, but president? 2032 at the earliest.

I have a hard time imagining her to run for governor. It will probably be someone else. She also has less political influence as a governor, so i don't think that will happen, although she will be a high profile politician (and she already is, because she influences the Democratic Party, and act as a 'leader' of the progressive wing). A governor is usually more "moderate" or more "centrist" than house or senate members, especially from the Democratic Party. I don't see it happening, and i don't think it would be a good idea either.

It's not impossible that she'll shift to the right on issues. She's still young. Who knows who she will be in 20 years. I mean look at Sinema or Gillibrand.
She's 29 years old, for one. She'll turn 35 just before the 2024 election. Second, she has 32-31 favorability, and people who don't know her skew young, female, and black or hispanic, so her support will probably rise. She's not nearly as unpopular as people seem to think she is. She could easily win a statewide election in New York and would have a very solid chance in 2024 or 2028.
LOL, who told you this?
She has positive favorability nationwide and people who don't know about her are disproportionately Democrats. It'd be very weird if a Democrat who has net positive favorability nationwide has net negative in a blue state they live in.
New York is a blue state but it's not Massachusetts or even California blue.

Most NY Democrats would not vote AOC to a statewide office. In a statewide race, she would get destroyed in Long Island, Westchester, Staten Island and most of Upstate. The fact that she would raise taxes would make many moderate Democrats in surbuban areas (like Westchester & Long Island) either stay home or vote for a third party/write-in candidate.

Additionally, the Democratic base in NYC are minorities (African-Americans, Latinos & Asians). Many of those communities won't take well to her being a "socialist". Many minorties are moderate and even conservative and they would be apprehensive to vote for AOC.
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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2019, 08:41:08 PM »

She's 27 years old. She's not eligible to run until she's 35, so i think at the very earliest it will be 2028. I think it's unlikely she will run than, but she might try to run for senate or governor at some point. I think she will stay in the house for like 20 years probably now, and she could run for a higher office somewhere in the 2030's and for president possibly in 2040's.

The problem is that AOC will face almost 30 years of negative coverage in the process of running for higher office, and as the Democratic Party will be moving to the left (esp. on social issues), her ideas will become more established. I don't think her persona and her position will make it easy for her to ever become president. I mean if she was eligible to run, she would have no chance to be elected. She clearly knows that, and she doesn't have the intention to do that as well.

My bet would be never, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. She is able to do more as a congressmember i believe.

I could see her running for governor after Cuomo is out, but president? 2032 at the earliest.

I have a hard time imagining her to run for governor. It will probably be someone else. She also has less political influence as a governor, so i don't think that will happen, although she will be a high profile politician (and she already is, because she influences the Democratic Party, and act as a 'leader' of the progressive wing). A governor is usually more "moderate" or more "centrist" than house or senate members, especially from the Democratic Party. I don't see it happening, and i don't think it would be a good idea either.

It's not impossible that she'll shift to the right on issues. She's still young. Who knows who she will be in 20 years. I mean look at Sinema or Gillibrand.
She's 29 years old, for one. She'll turn 35 just before the 2024 election. Second, she has 32-31 favorability, and people who don't know her skew young, female, and black or hispanic, so her support will probably rise. She's not nearly as unpopular as people seem to think she is. She could easily win a statewide election in New York and would have a very solid chance in 2024 or 2028.
LOL, who told you this?
She has positive favorability nationwide and people who don't know about her are disproportionately Democrats. It'd be very weird if a Democrat who has net positive favorability nationwide has net negative in a blue state they live in.
New York is a blue state but it's not Massachusetts or even California blue.

Most NY Democrats would not vote AOC to a statewide office. In a statewide race, she would get destroyed in Long Island, Westchester, Staten Island and most of Upstate. The fact that she would raise taxes would make many moderate Democrats in surbuban areas (like Westchester & Long Island) either stay home or vote for a third party/write-in candidate.

Additionally, the Democratic base in NYC are minorities (African-Americans, Latinos & Asians). Many of those communities won't take well to her being a "socialist". Many minorties are moderate and even conservative and they would be apprehensive to vote for AOC.

she could lose a primary in NY but LOl at her losing a GE.
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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2019, 08:44:33 PM »

She's 27 years old. She's not eligible to run until she's 35, so i think at the very earliest it will be 2028. I think it's unlikely she will run than, but she might try to run for senate or governor at some point. I think she will stay in the house for like 20 years probably now, and she could run for a higher office somewhere in the 2030's and for president possibly in 2040's.

The problem is that AOC will face almost 30 years of negative coverage in the process of running for higher office, and as the Democratic Party will be moving to the left (esp. on social issues), her ideas will become more established. I don't think her persona and her position will make it easy for her to ever become president. I mean if she was eligible to run, she would have no chance to be elected. She clearly knows that, and she doesn't have the intention to do that as well.

My bet would be never, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. She is able to do more as a congressmember i believe.

I could see her running for governor after Cuomo is out, but president? 2032 at the earliest.

I have a hard time imagining her to run for governor. It will probably be someone else. She also has less political influence as a governor, so i don't think that will happen, although she will be a high profile politician (and she already is, because she influences the Democratic Party, and act as a 'leader' of the progressive wing). A governor is usually more "moderate" or more "centrist" than house or senate members, especially from the Democratic Party. I don't see it happening, and i don't think it would be a good idea either.

It's not impossible that she'll shift to the right on issues. She's still young. Who knows who she will be in 20 years. I mean look at Sinema or Gillibrand.
She's 29 years old, for one. She'll turn 35 just before the 2024 election. Second, she has 32-31 favorability, and people who don't know her skew young, female, and black or hispanic, so her support will probably rise. She's not nearly as unpopular as people seem to think she is. She could easily win a statewide election in New York and would have a very solid chance in 2024 or 2028.
LOL, who told you this?
She has positive favorability nationwide and people who don't know about her are disproportionately Democrats. It'd be very weird if a Democrat who has net positive favorability nationwide has net negative in a blue state they live in.
New York is a blue state but it's not Massachusetts or even California blue.

Most NY Democrats would not vote AOC to a statewide office. In a statewide race, she would get destroyed in Long Island, Westchester, Staten Island and most of Upstate. The fact that she would raise taxes would make many moderate Democrats in surbuban areas (like Westchester & Long Island) either stay home or vote for a third party/write-in candidate.

Additionally, the Democratic base in NYC are minorities (African-Americans, Latinos & Asians). Many of those communities won't take well to her being a "socialist". Many minorties are moderate and even conservative and they would be apprehensive to vote for AOC.

she could lose a primary in NY but LOl at her losing a GE.
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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2019, 08:47:00 PM »

She's 27 years old. She's not eligible to run until she's 35, so i think at the very earliest it will be 2028. I think it's unlikely she will run than, but she might try to run for senate or governor at some point. I think she will stay in the house for like 20 years probably now, and she could run for a higher office somewhere in the 2030's and for president possibly in 2040's.

The problem is that AOC will face almost 30 years of negative coverage in the process of running for higher office, and as the Democratic Party will be moving to the left (esp. on social issues), her ideas will become more established. I don't think her persona and her position will make it easy for her to ever become president. I mean if she was eligible to run, she would have no chance to be elected. She clearly knows that, and she doesn't have the intention to do that as well.

My bet would be never, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. She is able to do more as a congressmember i believe.

I could see her running for governor after Cuomo is out, but president? 2032 at the earliest.

I have a hard time imagining her to run for governor. It will probably be someone else. She also has less political influence as a governor, so i don't think that will happen, although she will be a high profile politician (and she already is, because she influences the Democratic Party, and act as a 'leader' of the progressive wing). A governor is usually more "moderate" or more "centrist" than house or senate members, especially from the Democratic Party. I don't see it happening, and i don't think it would be a good idea either.

It's not impossible that she'll shift to the right on issues. She's still young. Who knows who she will be in 20 years. I mean look at Sinema or Gillibrand.
She's 29 years old, for one. She'll turn 35 just before the 2024 election. Second, she has 32-31 favorability, and people who don't know her skew young, female, and black or hispanic, so her support will probably rise. She's not nearly as unpopular as people seem to think she is. She could easily win a statewide election in New York and would have a very solid chance in 2024 or 2028.
LOL, who told you this?
She has positive favorability nationwide and people who don't know about her are disproportionately Democrats. It'd be very weird if a Democrat who has net positive favorability nationwide has net negative in a blue state they live in.
New York is a blue state but it's not Massachusetts or even California blue.

Most NY Democrats would not vote AOC to a statewide office. In a statewide race, she would get destroyed in Long Island, Westchester, Staten Island and most of Upstate. The fact that she would raise taxes would make many moderate Democrats in surbuban areas (like Westchester & Long Island) either stay home or vote for a third party/write-in candidate.

Additionally, the Democratic base in NYC are minorities (African-Americans, Latinos & Asians). Many of those communities won't take well to her being a "socialist". Many minorties are moderate and even conservative and they would be apprehensive to vote for AOC.

she could lose a primary in NY but LOl at her losing a GE.
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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2019, 08:55:58 PM »

She's 27 years old. She's not eligible to run until she's 35, so i think at the very earliest it will be 2028. I think it's unlikely she will run than, but she might try to run for senate or governor at some point. I think she will stay in the house for like 20 years probably now, and she could run for a higher office somewhere in the 2030's and for president possibly in 2040's.

The problem is that AOC will face almost 30 years of negative coverage in the process of running for higher office, and as the Democratic Party will be moving to the left (esp. on social issues), her ideas will become more established. I don't think her persona and her position will make it easy for her to ever become president. I mean if she was eligible to run, she would have no chance to be elected. She clearly knows that, and she doesn't have the intention to do that as well.

My bet would be never, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. She is able to do more as a congressmember i believe.

I could see her running for governor after Cuomo is out, but president? 2032 at the earliest.

I have a hard time imagining her to run for governor. It will probably be someone else. She also has less political influence as a governor, so i don't think that will happen, although she will be a high profile politician (and she already is, because she influences the Democratic Party, and act as a 'leader' of the progressive wing). A governor is usually more "moderate" or more "centrist" than house or senate members, especially from the Democratic Party. I don't see it happening, and i don't think it would be a good idea either.

It's not impossible that she'll shift to the right on issues. She's still young. Who knows who she will be in 20 years. I mean look at Sinema or Gillibrand.
She's 29 years old, for one. She'll turn 35 just before the 2024 election. Second, she has 32-31 favorability, and people who don't know her skew young, female, and black or hispanic, so her support will probably rise. She's not nearly as unpopular as people seem to think she is. She could easily win a statewide election in New York and would have a very solid chance in 2024 or 2028.
LOL, who told you this?
She has positive favorability nationwide and people who don't know about her are disproportionately Democrats. It'd be very weird if a Democrat who has net positive favorability nationwide has net negative in a blue state they live in.
New York is a blue state but it's not Massachusetts or even California blue.

Most NY Democrats would not vote AOC to a statewide office. In a statewide race, she would get destroyed in Long Island, Westchester, Staten Island and most of Upstate. The fact that she would raise taxes would make many moderate Democrats in surbuban areas (like Westchester & Long Island) either stay home or vote for a third party/write-in candidate.

Additionally, the Democratic base in NYC are minorities (African-Americans, Latinos & Asians). Many of those communities won't take well to her being a "socialist". Many minorties are moderate and even conservative and they would be apprehensive to vote for AOC.

she could lose a primary in NY but LOl at her losing a GE.
LOI?

LOL
What's funny?

Just look up the 1980 Senate election here in New York. Something very similar would happen if AOC ran for a statewide position. AOC is a farther left version of Elizabeth Holtzman.
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« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2019, 09:07:15 PM »

She's 27 years old. She's not eligible to run until she's 35, so i think at the very earliest it will be 2028. I think it's unlikely she will run than, but she might try to run for senate or governor at some point. I think she will stay in the house for like 20 years probably now, and she could run for a higher office somewhere in the 2030's and for president possibly in 2040's.

The problem is that AOC will face almost 30 years of negative coverage in the process of running for higher office, and as the Democratic Party will be moving to the left (esp. on social issues), her ideas will become more established. I don't think her persona and her position will make it easy for her to ever become president. I mean if she was eligible to run, she would have no chance to be elected. She clearly knows that, and she doesn't have the intention to do that as well.

My bet would be never, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. She is able to do more as a congressmember i believe.

I could see her running for governor after Cuomo is out, but president? 2032 at the earliest.

I have a hard time imagining her to run for governor. It will probably be someone else. She also has less political influence as a governor, so i don't think that will happen, although she will be a high profile politician (and she already is, because she influences the Democratic Party, and act as a 'leader' of the progressive wing). A governor is usually more "moderate" or more "centrist" than house or senate members, especially from the Democratic Party. I don't see it happening, and i don't think it would be a good idea either.

It's not impossible that she'll shift to the right on issues. She's still young. Who knows who she will be in 20 years. I mean look at Sinema or Gillibrand.
She's 29 years old, for one. She'll turn 35 just before the 2024 election. Second, she has 32-31 favorability, and people who don't know her skew young, female, and black or hispanic, so her support will probably rise. She's not nearly as unpopular as people seem to think she is. She could easily win a statewide election in New York and would have a very solid chance in 2024 or 2028.
LOL, who told you this?
She has positive favorability nationwide and people who don't know about her are disproportionately Democrats. It'd be very weird if a Democrat who has net positive favorability nationwide has net negative in a blue state they live in.
New York is a blue state but it's not Massachusetts or even California blue.

Most NY Democrats would not vote AOC to a statewide office. In a statewide race, she would get destroyed in Long Island, Westchester, Staten Island and most of Upstate. The fact that she would raise taxes would make many moderate Democrats in surbuban areas (like Westchester & Long Island) either stay home or vote for a third party/write-in candidate.

Additionally, the Democratic base in NYC are minorities (African-Americans, Latinos & Asians). Many of those communities won't take well to her being a "socialist". Many minorties are moderate and even conservative and they would be apprehensive to vote for AOC.

she could lose a primary in NY but LOl at her losing a GE.
LOI?

LOL
What's funny?

Just look up the 1980 Senate election here in New York. Something very similar would happen if AOC ran for a statewide position. AOC is a farther left version of Elizabeth Holtzman.
Comparing someone to a politician from 40 years ago doesn't outweigh evidence. AOC has had Fox News attacking her for months. She still has a net favorable rating nationwide, and there is a roughly 0% chance that she has a negative favorability in New York, a state that regularly gives Democrats over 60% of the vote. Atlas has this weird fantasy that voters vote entirely on ideology, and that since she's far less moderate than the average Democrat, she's far less electable. That's true for a tiny fraction of people. Most voters vote on charisma and whether they identify with candidates. If you ignore, then your predictions will continue to be wrong.
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« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2019, 09:35:33 PM »
« Edited: January 10, 2019, 09:45:58 PM by New Frontier »

She's 27 years old. She's not eligible to run until she's 35, so i think at the very earliest it will be 2028. I think it's unlikely she will run than, but she might try to run for senate or governor at some point. I think she will stay in the house for like 20 years probably now, and she could run for a higher office somewhere in the 2030's and for president possibly in 2040's.

The problem is that AOC will face almost 30 years of negative coverage in the process of running for higher office, and as the Democratic Party will be moving to the left (esp. on social issues), her ideas will become more established. I don't think her persona and her position will make it easy for her to ever become president. I mean if she was eligible to run, she would have no chance to be elected. She clearly knows that, and she doesn't have the intention to do that as well.

My bet would be never, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. She is able to do more as a congressmember i believe.

I could see her running for governor after Cuomo is out, but president? 2032 at the earliest.

I have a hard time imagining her to run for governor. It will probably be someone else. She also has less political influence as a governor, so i don't think that will happen, although she will be a high profile politician (and she already is, because she influences the Democratic Party, and act as a 'leader' of the progressive wing). A governor is usually more "moderate" or more "centrist" than house or senate members, especially from the Democratic Party. I don't see it happening, and i don't think it would be a good idea either.

It's not impossible that she'll shift to the right on issues. She's still young. Who knows who she will be in 20 years. I mean look at Sinema or Gillibrand.
She's 29 years old, for one. She'll turn 35 just before the 2024 election. Second, she has 32-31 favorability, and people who don't know her skew young, female, and black or hispanic, so her support will probably rise. She's not nearly as unpopular as people seem to think she is. She could easily win a statewide election in New York and would have a very solid chance in 2024 or 2028.
LOL, who told you this?
She has positive favorability nationwide and people who don't know about her are disproportionately Democrats. It'd be very weird if a Democrat who has net positive favorability nationwide has net negative in a blue state they live in.
New York is a blue state but it's not Massachusetts or even California blue.

Most NY Democrats would not vote AOC to a statewide office. In a statewide race, she would get destroyed in Long Island, Westchester, Staten Island and most of Upstate. The fact that she would raise taxes would make many moderate Democrats in surbuban areas (like Westchester & Long Island) either stay home or vote for a third party/write-in candidate.

Additionally, the Democratic base in NYC are minorities (African-Americans, Latinos & Asians). Many of those communities won't take well to her being a "socialist". Many minorties are moderate and even conservative and they would be apprehensive to vote for AOC.

she could lose a primary in NY but LOl at her losing a GE.
LOI?

LOL
What's funny?

Just look up the 1980 Senate election here in New York. Something very similar would happen if AOC ran for a statewide position. AOC is a farther left version of Elizabeth Holtzman.
Comparing someone to a politician from 40 years ago doesn't outweigh evidence. AOC has had Fox News attacking her for months. She still has a net favorable rating nationwide, and there is a roughly 0% chance that she has a negative favorability in New York, a state that regularly gives Democrats over 60% of the vote. Atlas has this weird fantasy that voters vote entirely on ideology, and that since she's far less moderate than the average Democrat, she's far less electable. That's true for a tiny fraction of people. Most voters vote on charisma and whether they identify with candidates. If you ignore, then your predictions will continue to be wrong.
My predictions continue to be wrong? Most of my political predictions in the past 2 years have been right. What are you talking about?

Also, you're from Pennsylvania not New York. I'm pretty well-verse about New York politics. In New York State, there's many Democrats who are moderate who would not take kind to AOC.

Those moderates are the reason why the Republicans held on to the State Senate for so long. There are many moderates in areas like Westchester, Long Island, Rockland, etc that would NOT vote for AOC. A lot of those voters used to be Rockefeller Republicans but switched parties in the 1980s-2000s.

AOC raising taxes substantially would not go well with a lot of voters on both sides. Just like how Holtzman & Javits split the liberal/lean liberal vote in 1980 allowing D'Amato to win, the same would happen if AOC ran for a statewide office. Thats because she would face a write-in or third party challenge from a more moderate liberal.
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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2019, 09:50:23 PM »

She's 27 years old. She's not eligible to run until she's 35, so i think at the very earliest it will be 2028. I think it's unlikely she will run than, but she might try to run for senate or governor at some point. I think she will stay in the house for like 20 years probably now, and she could run for a higher office somewhere in the 2030's and for president possibly in 2040's.

The problem is that AOC will face almost 30 years of negative coverage in the process of running for higher office, and as the Democratic Party will be moving to the left (esp. on social issues), her ideas will become more established. I don't think her persona and her position will make it easy for her to ever become president. I mean if she was eligible to run, she would have no chance to be elected. She clearly knows that, and she doesn't have the intention to do that as well.

My bet would be never, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. She is able to do more as a congressmember i believe.

I could see her running for governor after Cuomo is out, but president? 2032 at the earliest.

I have a hard time imagining her to run for governor. It will probably be someone else. She also has less political influence as a governor, so i don't think that will happen, although she will be a high profile politician (and she already is, because she influences the Democratic Party, and act as a 'leader' of the progressive wing). A governor is usually more "moderate" or more "centrist" than house or senate members, especially from the Democratic Party. I don't see it happening, and i don't think it would be a good idea either.

It's not impossible that she'll shift to the right on issues. She's still young. Who knows who she will be in 20 years. I mean look at Sinema or Gillibrand.
She's 29 years old, for one. She'll turn 35 just before the 2024 election. Second, she has 32-31 favorability, and people who don't know her skew young, female, and black or hispanic, so her support will probably rise. She's not nearly as unpopular as people seem to think she is. She could easily win a statewide election in New York and would have a very solid chance in 2024 or 2028.
LOL, who told you this?
She has positive favorability nationwide and people who don't know about her are disproportionately Democrats. It'd be very weird if a Democrat who has net positive favorability nationwide has net negative in a blue state they live in.
New York is a blue state but it's not Massachusetts or even California blue.

Most NY Democrats would not vote AOC to a statewide office. In a statewide race, she would get destroyed in Long Island, Westchester, Staten Island and most of Upstate. The fact that she would raise taxes would make many moderate Democrats in surbuban areas (like Westchester & Long Island) either stay home or vote for a third party/write-in candidate.

Additionally, the Democratic base in NYC are minorities (African-Americans, Latinos & Asians). Many of those communities won't take well to her being a "socialist". Many minorties are moderate and even conservative and they would be apprehensive to vote for AOC.

she could lose a primary in NY but LOl at her losing a GE.
LOI?

LOL
What's funny?

Just look up the 1980 Senate election here in New York. Something very similar would happen if AOC ran for a statewide position. AOC is a farther left version of Elizabeth Holtzman.
Comparing someone to a politician from 40 years ago doesn't outweigh evidence. AOC has had Fox News attacking her for months. She still has a net favorable rating nationwide, and there is a roughly 0% chance that she has a negative favorability in New York, a state that regularly gives Democrats over 60% of the vote. Atlas has this weird fantasy that voters vote entirely on ideology, and that since she's far less moderate than the average Democrat, she's far less electable. That's true for a tiny fraction of people. Most voters vote on charisma and whether they identify with candidates. If you ignore, then your predictions will continue to be wrong.
My predictions continue to be wrong? Most of my political predictions in the past 2 years have been right. What are you talking about?

Also, you're from Pennsylvania not New York. I'm pretty well-verse about New York politics. In New York State, there's many Democrats who are moderate who would not take kind to AOC.

Those moderates are the reason why the Republicans held on to the State Senate for so long. There are many moderates in areas like Westchester, Long Island, Rockland, etc that would NOT vote for AOC. A lot of those voters used to be Rockefeller Republicans but switched parties in the 1980s-2000s.

AOC raising taxes substantially would not go well with a lot of voters on both sides. Just like how Holtzman & Javits split the liberal/lean liberal vote in 1980 allowing D'Amato to win, the same would happen if AOC ran for a statewide office. Thats because she would face a write-in or third party challenge from a more moderate liberal.
I have a series of anecdotes and some unfounded speculation. That outweighs any evidence.
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« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2019, 09:56:25 PM »

In today’s era of polarization, AOC would win a statewide race. Our politics are too nationalized now for someone with an R next to their name to win, except for maybe a gubernatorial race. I have my doubts a third party run would be successful, given how support of 3rd party candidates tends to collapse as campaigns progress and how partisan people are today, although they’d certainly eat away at the margins.

Can AOC win a statewide primary? Under the right circumstances, yes given how popular she is with and is a good fit for the present day Democratic base. She’d lose a 1 on 1 race badly though.
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« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2019, 09:57:06 PM »

She's 27 years old. She's not eligible to run until she's 35, so i think at the very earliest it will be 2028. I think it's unlikely she will run than, but she might try to run for senate or governor at some point. I think she will stay in the house for like 20 years probably now, and she could run for a higher office somewhere in the 2030's and for president possibly in 2040's.

The problem is that AOC will face almost 30 years of negative coverage in the process of running for higher office, and as the Democratic Party will be moving to the left (esp. on social issues), her ideas will become more established. I don't think her persona and her position will make it easy for her to ever become president. I mean if she was eligible to run, she would have no chance to be elected. She clearly knows that, and she doesn't have the intention to do that as well.

My bet would be never, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. She is able to do more as a congressmember i believe.

I could see her running for governor after Cuomo is out, but president? 2032 at the earliest.

I have a hard time imagining her to run for governor. It will probably be someone else. She also has less political influence as a governor, so i don't think that will happen, although she will be a high profile politician (and she already is, because she influences the Democratic Party, and act as a 'leader' of the progressive wing). A governor is usually more "moderate" or more "centrist" than house or senate members, especially from the Democratic Party. I don't see it happening, and i don't think it would be a good idea either.

It's not impossible that she'll shift to the right on issues. She's still young. Who knows who she will be in 20 years. I mean look at Sinema or Gillibrand.
She's 29 years old, for one. She'll turn 35 just before the 2024 election. Second, she has 32-31 favorability, and people who don't know her skew young, female, and black or hispanic, so her support will probably rise. She's not nearly as unpopular as people seem to think she is. She could easily win a statewide election in New York and would have a very solid chance in 2024 or 2028.
LOL, who told you this?
She has positive favorability nationwide and people who don't know about her are disproportionately Democrats. It'd be very weird if a Democrat who has net positive favorability nationwide has net negative in a blue state they live in.
New York is a blue state but it's not Massachusetts or even California blue.

Most NY Democrats would not vote AOC to a statewide office. In a statewide race, she would get destroyed in Long Island, Westchester, Staten Island and most of Upstate. The fact that she would raise taxes would make many moderate Democrats in surbuban areas (like Westchester & Long Island) either stay home or vote for a third party/write-in candidate.

Additionally, the Democratic base in NYC are minorities (African-Americans, Latinos & Asians). Many of those communities won't take well to her being a "socialist". Many minorties are moderate and even conservative and they would be apprehensive to vote for AOC.

she could lose a primary in NY but LOl at her losing a GE.
LOI?

LOL
What's funny?

Just look up the 1980 Senate election here in New York. Something very similar would happen if AOC ran for a statewide position. AOC is a farther left version of Elizabeth Holtzman.
Comparing someone to a politician from 40 years ago doesn't outweigh evidence. AOC has had Fox News attacking her for months. She still has a net favorable rating nationwide, and there is a roughly 0% chance that she has a negative favorability in New York, a state that regularly gives Democrats over 60% of the vote. Atlas has this weird fantasy that voters vote entirely on ideology, and that since she's far less moderate than the average Democrat, she's far less electable. That's true for a tiny fraction of people. Most voters vote on charisma and whether they identify with candidates. If you ignore, then your predictions will continue to be wrong.
My predictions continue to be wrong? Most of my political predictions in the past 2 years have been right. What are you talking about?

Also, you're from Pennsylvania not New York. I'm pretty well-verse about New York politics. In New York State, there's many Democrats who are moderate who would not take kind to AOC.

Those moderates are the reason why the Republicans held on to the State Senate for so long. There are many moderates in areas like Westchester, Long Island, Rockland, etc that would NOT vote for AOC. A lot of those voters used to be Rockefeller Republicans but switched parties in the 1980s-2000s.

AOC raising taxes substantially would not go well with a lot of voters on both sides. Just like how Holtzman & Javits split the liberal/lean liberal vote in 1980 allowing D'Amato to win, the same would happen if AOC ran for a statewide office. Thats because she would face a write-in or third party challenge from a more moderate liberal.
I have a series of anecdotes and some unfounded speculation. That outweighs any evidence.
You're opinion is irrelevant seeing as you're not a New Yorker. You don't understand the full dynamics of New York State.

Thanks and good bye!
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« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2019, 10:01:57 PM »

In today’s era of polarization, AOC would win a statewide race. Our politics are too nationalized now for someone with an R next to their name to win, except for maybe a gubernatorial race. I have my doubts a third party run would be successful, given how support of 3rd party candidates tends to collapse as campaigns progress and how partisan people are today, although they’d certainly eat away at the margins.

Can AOC win a statewide primary? Under the right circumstances, yes given how popular she is with and is a good fit for the present day Democratic base. She’d lose a 1 on 1 race badly though.
If she were to win a Democratic statewide primary (which I doubt), then yes she could win a statewide race. It would be a tougher than usual race though. I believe that AOC would get destroyed in Upstate and the suburbs with her percentage of victory would probably be something like 48-52%.
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« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2019, 10:24:02 PM »

January 20, 2021.  How you might ask.  Republicans pass a constitutional amendment at breakneck speed lowering the eligibility age for President, convinced that it'll guarantee an AOC candidacy and easy reelection victory for Trump.  Wham. Bam. Socko.  It backfires spectacularly--AOC is Prez.
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« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2019, 11:40:40 PM »

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« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2019, 12:23:41 PM »

January 20, 2021.  How you might ask.  Republicans pass a constitutional amendment at breakneck speed lowering the eligibility age for President, convinced that it'll guarantee an AOC candidacy and easy reelection victory for Trump.  Wham. Bam. Socko.  It backfires spectacularly--AOC is Prez.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hktHI4fGydE
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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2019, 06:07:47 PM »

January 14, 2019.
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« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2019, 08:28:43 PM »

I'll think she will probably remain in the House, since she's already influential where she is and will only continue to have more influence if and when she moves up leadership ranks (gets a subcommittee chair, etc.)

I can see her becoming Mayor of NYC at some point down the line, which is honestly a better job than being governor of NY, in my opinion.

Her career will be more Fiorello LaGuardia than FDR, and that's a perfectly fine thing
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