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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2019, 07:35:36 PM »

Whoever it is you'll hate them more than Drumpf.
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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2019, 10:20:09 PM »

Presently politically irrelevant, given they won't win until 2032.
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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2019, 10:51:23 PM »

Presently politically irrelevant, given they won't win until 2032.

Not if the recession happens in the early 20s
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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2019, 10:35:30 AM »

Mike Pence should something happen  to President Trump, Otherwise, perhaps the next Dwight Eisenhower. The problem for Republicans is that that the last President to have the temperament of Dwight Eisenhower was Barack Obama.

This isn't the Game of Thrones universe where everything is destined to repeat itself in patterns ... how is that a "problem" for Republicans?  Obama can have the "temperament of Dwight Eisenhower," and there can still be a Republican in the next 10-20 years who does, as well.

The point is that after Trump, the Republicans will need a Presidential nominee with the temperament of Dwight Eisenhower to win the Presidency.

I am not familiar with Game of Thrones. I watch little broadcast TV -- mostly PBS now.

If you are familiar with the generational theory of Howe and Strauss, you will find that adults born in the 1960s and 1970s are analogous in many ways to the Lost Generation born in the latter years of the nineteenth century. The international Lost Generation includes some of the arch-villains of history, including fascists, Nazis, Commie stooges of Stalin, and mobsters. Satan Incarnate (Hitler) exemplifies the danger of a leader adept at communicating his alienation and bigotry to a vulnerable people. If you think that that is strictly a German problem, then consider an American who was very similar in many ways  -- KKK leader David Curtiss Stephenson, a similarly-vicious beast. The 1915 Klan was fascist before Mussolini called himself a Fascist and was ahead of the Nazis in most of the 1920s in corrupting the political process of the countries that the Nazis and the Klan afflicted.

It is best that society leave the harsh judgment of others to people who have some moral compass, and not to those who have none. The best of a generation like the Lost or X leave that judgment to people older than themselves and allow themselves to be enforcers of law. Such figures have learned critical lessons the hard way and will do everything possible to ensure that nobody else will have to learn things the hard way. They are pragmatic and cautious, and they have few grand designs. Such is Eisenhower -- or Obama.

OK -- I despise Donald Trump. He reminds me of the sort of person who exploits people badly yet expects his victims to see him as a benefactor. It may be hard to believe, but the Southern planters often saw themselves as the best thing that could have happened to their slaves and that anyone hostile to the Peculiar Institution were enemies of the slaves!

I see Trump as a one-term President because he is an extreme disappointment to people who were on the margin for voting for or against him. He is not getting people to sacrifice their self-esteem or unfounded hopes to make America work better as Reagan did; Reagan effectively put an end to stagflation by doing what Nixon, Ford, or Carter would have never done by encouraging a concentration of job growth in low-paying restaurant and retail jobs that consigned millions to poverty but ensured that people still in the middle class could get good service from  such people as college graduates with the 'wrong' majors.

Trump appeals to the absolute worst in human nature, fostering both self-righteous bigotry and elite indulgence at the expense of everyone else.     
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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2019, 11:28:59 AM »

Elise Stefanik runs and beats incumbent President and former Vice President Pete Buttigieg in 2032 after winning Schumer's open seat in 2028.
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« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2019, 11:50:24 AM »

Someone who is not a current politician. Everyone involved in federal politics during the Trump administration is either tainted or retiring.

They'll likely run and win in 2036. They'll have a prominent non-partisan career, in business, the military, or space. Possibly they'll have some (brief) prior political experience. They'll cultivate a moderate image, avoiding partisan warfare generally. They'll run very well among more moderate democratic voters, promising to safeguard the legacy of the prior democratic presidents without making further radical change.

They win by high single digits, and their coattails bring the GOP to parity or a bit above in Congress. The president is considerably more moderate than the Congressional GOP, and their conflicts and agendas lead to severe GOP losses in the midterms.
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« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2019, 12:03:59 PM »

Someone who is not a current politician. Everyone involved in federal politics during the Trump administration is either tainted or retiring.

They'll likely run and win in 2036. They'll have a prominent non-partisan career, in business, the military, or space. Possibly they'll have some (brief) prior political experience. They'll cultivate a moderate image, avoiding partisan warfare generally. They'll run very well among more moderate democratic voters, promising to safeguard the legacy of the prior democratic presidents without making further radical change.

They win by high single digits, and their coattails bring the GOP to parity or a bit above in Congress. The president is considerably more moderate than the Congressional GOP, and their conflicts and agendas lead to severe GOP losses in the midterms.

So, just to be clear (when added in with past posts you have made), you are predicting the GOP will have a near-historically disastrous next 50 years?
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« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2019, 12:31:47 PM »

Someone who is not a current politician. Everyone involved in federal politics during the Trump administration is either tainted or retiring.

They'll likely run and win in 2036. They'll have a prominent non-partisan career, in business, the military, or space. Possibly they'll have some (brief) prior political experience. They'll cultivate a moderate image, avoiding partisan warfare generally. They'll run very well among more moderate democratic voters, promising to safeguard the legacy of the prior democratic presidents without making further radical change.

They win by high single digits, and their coattails bring the GOP to parity or a bit above in Congress. The president is considerably more moderate than the Congressional GOP, and their conflicts and agendas lead to severe GOP losses in the midterms.

So, just to be clear (when added in with past posts you have made), you are predicting the GOP will have a near-historically disastrous next 50 years?
I think the next thirty years will be a roughly dominant party system, similar to the 1890-1910 period, or the 1930-1968 period.
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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2019, 01:12:13 PM »

1. Ron DeSantis
2. Nikki Haley
3. Josh Hawley
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« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2019, 12:03:24 AM »

As early as 2024 if the Democrats beat Trump but fail to take the Senate or if they beat Trump but economy holds through 2020 and then falls into recession between 2021 and 2024. If Trump is re elected, than 2032. 2028 or 2032 are most likely, 2036 is the absolute latest.
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« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2019, 10:44:42 AM »

If Trump isnt reelected,

Nikki Haley ,  Ron DeSantis, or someone who gets elected in 2022
I doubt Nikki Haley will get out of a primary considering she pretends to be a moderate and republicans are getting increasingly extreme and want someone who "tells it like it is"
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« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2019, 12:17:19 PM »

If Trump isnt reelected,

Nikki Haley ,  Ron DeSantis, or someone who gets elected in 2022
I doubt Nikki Haley will get out of a primary considering she pretends to be a moderate and republicans are getting increasingly extreme and want someone who "tells it like it is"

Meh, no one predicted that after 2012 the GOP would only ever nominate technocratic, pro-business New Englanders, and rightfully so.  There was an appetite for Trump in 2016’s climate, and now he’s the standard bearer (i.e., he’s going to continue to enjoy fiercely loyal support from Republican partisans until he no longer is).  I don’t know if it’s safe to assume all future nominees will have to be Trump types, and I also don’t think a future Republican nominee who also “tells it like it is” has to necessarily be like Trump, either ... I also don’t really think Haley pretends to be moderate.
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« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2019, 12:55:09 PM »

Elise Stefanik runs and beats incumbent President and former Vice President Pete Buttigieg in 2032 after winning Schumer's open seat in 2028.

She'd probably run for governor if anything statewide. NY is bound to elect an R governor in the next fifteen years or so and she's moderate and sensible enough to win, I think.
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