Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/nato-president-trump.html

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[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

[Deleted User #4049]

Good, the sooner the better.

[Frodo]

Let's give Trump the benefit of the doubt, and assume he is not a Manchurian Candidate in the employ of Vladimir Putin who became our President -how is pulling out of NATO in American interests?   

[Badger]

Let's give Trump the benefit of the doubt, and assume he is not a Manchurian Candidate in the employ of Vladimir Putin who became our President -how is pulling out of NATO in American interests?   

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

Let's give Trump the benefit of the doubt, and assume he is not a Manchurian Candidate in the employ of Vladimir Putin who became our President -how is pulling out of NATO in American interests?   

At some point it just becomes stupid to even pretend about giving him the benefit of that doubt. In order for there to be a benefit of the doubt, there has to be doubt. And it is becoming less and less plausible that there really is doubt.

[JA]

Good, the sooner the better.

[Intell]

Good, the sooner the better.

[Blue3]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/nato-president-trump.amp.html

[Santander]

Modern day presidential.

[Karpatsky]

This is unacceptable. Withdrawal would lead to the destruction of everything the Western world has fought for since 1918, and even discussing it publicly significantly weakens its coherence.

[JA]

I disagree with his reasons for leaving, but I’d strongly support leaving that organization anyway.

[Sir Mohamed]

Won't go anywhere. Congress will never approve such crap, which would be a terrible idea and further proof that Drumpf is working for the Kremlin.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Let's give Trump the benefit of the doubt, and assume he is not a Manchurian Candidate in the employ of Vladimir Putin who became our President -how is pulling out of NATO in American interests?   

If you think "American interests" consist of turning our country into a giant version of North Korea - as Trump and the Republican Party do - then it makes perfect sense.

[Sirius_]

Why do any of you think this is a good idea? What benefit does it do to not have allies?

[Ban my account ffs!]

Why do any of you think this is a good idea? What benefit does it do to not have allies?

Super edgy strict adherence to ideological beliefs doesn’t need “benefits”.  Puffed up by ego and hot air, proposing huge, sudden changes to the world order proves that you are, indeed, a Very Serious Person.

[Cashew]

Good, the sooner the better.

I disagree with his reasons for leaving, but I’d strongly support leaving that organization anyway.

[Intell]

Why do any of you think this is a good idea? What benefit does it do to not have allies?

NATO is fundamentally a war criminal organisation that is a detriment to world peace. NATO is an organisation dedicated to protecting western corporate interests and capitalist institutions.

A Shame of the post-war (II) is how many left-wing and social democratic parties accepted and cheerleaded this institution.

[ProudModerate2]

Why do any of you think this is a good idea? What benefit does it do to not have allies?

NATO is fundamentally a war criminal organisation that is a detriment to world peace. NATO is an organisation dedicated to protecting western corporate interests and capitalist institutions.

A Shame of the post-war (II) is how many left-wing and social democratic parties accepted and cheerleaded this institution.

[lfromnj]

btw democrats hate trump so much they are now taking relatively unpopular positions on wars such as Syria. its favorability is 46 33 but democrats oppose it 56 23.

[Arturo Belano]

Why do any of you think this is a good idea? What benefit does it do to not have allies?

NATO is fundamentally a war criminal organisation that is a detriment to world peace. NATO is an organisation dedicated to protecting western corporate interests and capitalist institutions.

A Shame of the post-war (II) is how many left-wing and social democratic parties accepted and cheerleaded this institution.

that's a pretty epic response, my bro-chacho

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Thanks to all the far-lefties in this thread for showing how idiotic many of you are.

[Intell]

Thanks to all the far-lefties in this thread for showing how idiotic many of you are.

Center-Leftists have been noted in their support for war crimes and corporate interests.

But it's no surprise the centre always loves the fascism of capitalism over socialism.

[Del Tachi]

Thanks to all the far-lefties in this thread for showing how idiotic many of you are.

[Karpatsky]

NATO may protect western 'corporate' interests (whatever that means) by proxy of defending Western interests, but aboveall it is a collective security organization, built to prevent the sort of 'creeping' aggression which caused the Second World War. The fundamental premise is that if powerful countries (like France or the United States) join their own security at the hip to the security of weak nations (like Czechoslovakia or Estonia), then potentially dangerous aggressive nations (such as Germany or Russia) can be effectively deterred from taking even minor aggressive steps. If anyone in this thread thinks for a moment after the examples of Georgia and Ukraine that the people of the Baltic states would be living in relative freedom and prosperity today had NATO been disestablished at the end of the Cold War, they are deluded. Further, if anyone in this thread believes that the cost of stationing barrier troops in Europe to shore up the alliance is not worth the liberty of Europeans or preventing the potential cost of global conflict, they are both deluded and have a seriously misaligned moral sense. The only reasons anyone would have to support U.S. withdrawal from NATO is either a fundamental lack of understanding of the way the international system works or a vested interest in the advancement of Russian autocratic influence in Europe, or both.