Trump voters dissapointed because he doesn't hurt the right people

[Landslide Lyndon]

Economic anxiety at its finest.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/florida-government-shutdown-marianna.html

[Hammy]

Trumpism in a nutshell.

[Izzyeviel]

It's like those Mexican Trump supporters who have been deported: 'I knew he wanted to deport all the illegals, but I thought he meant those sort of illegals & not people like me'

[BlueSwan]

Yup, expected.

[Rover]

What's the point of this thread other than scapegoat "the 62,984,828" voted for Trump in 2016.

[PragmaticPopulist]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/florida-government-shutdown-marianna.html

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[Santander]

The average person gets off on the suffering of others. Most of Atlas is too dumb and naive to realize this.

[MasterJedi]

Most rural areas are already massively subsidized by the federal government and the large cities of their respective states so the government shutdown puts them in a lot of peril.

[Landslide Lyndon]

What's the point of this thread other than scapegoat "the 62,984,828" voted for Trump in 2016.

Maybe they should try not to be so transparently deplorable if they don't like being "scapegoated".

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

They'll all vote for him again.

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Bonus points for the NYT employing the classic Trump-era journalistic trope of interviewing Trump voters in roadside diners.

[PragmaticPopulist]

Call me naive all you want, but I don't think this reflects a majority of Trump voters. This might be one of the main reasons he won the primary (negative partisanship), but in the tribal era we live in, people who did not vote for him in the primary are just gonna accept this as okay.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Are these the swing voters that will vote against Trump if we nominate a #populist white male who whispers about race and gender issues?

[Rover]

What's the point of this thread other than scapegoat "the 62,984,828" voted for Trump in 2016.

Maybe they should try not to be so transparently deplorable if they don't like being "scapegoated".

So you believe all of "the 62,984,828" who voted for Trump in 2016 are "so transparently deplorable"?

[Ban my account ffs!]

Most rural areas are already massively subsidized by the federal government and the large cities of their respective states so the government shutdown puts them in a lot of peril.

You’re not thinking about the economy or economic activity as a whole.  The wealth created and produced in cities is often from materials/resources or labor from those rural areas.  The cities need these areas to function.  Of course, as tech has improved, many rural jobs have been automated but many people worked their whole lives and retired and dont want to be moved to the big city.

Subsidization of rural (and poor urban) areas will always be a thing, and it greatly improves quality of life overall for those residents without harming suburban residents much.

[Ban my account ffs!]

"He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting" is the best summary of the Trump presidency to date. There is nothing despicable about it.

Democrats should not be ridiculing this message. They should be running with it. Whomever they nominate in 2020 will stand to lose a good number of votes if they fail to speak to this sentiment.

I imagine there is significant overlap in the groups of people Democrats and Ms. Minton wouldn’t mind seeing hurt a little bit.

[Deleted User #4049]

Most rural areas are already massively subsidized by the federal government and the large cities of their respective states so the government shutdown puts them in a lot of peril.

Rural areas can survive without cities, although at a lower level of technology. However, cities simply cannot survive without rural areas - the food and resources have to come from somewhere. So if urbanite city dwellers want to keep their lifestyle they should have a vested interest in maintaining rural subsidies.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

Most rural areas are already massively subsidized by the federal government and the large cities of their respective states so the government shutdown puts them in a lot of peril.

You’re not thinking about the economy or economic activity as a whole.  The wealth created and produced in cities is often from materials/resources or labor from those rural areas.  The cities need these areas to function.  Of course, as tech has improved, many rural jobs have been automated but many people worked their whole lives and retired and dont want to be moved to the big city.

Subsidization of rural (and poor urban) areas will always be a thing, and it greatly improves quality of life overall for those residents without harming suburban residents much.

There is some truth in this, but urban economies are shifting from production of goods to production of services and ideas. There's always going to be a need for, e.g., converting corn into cattle feed, but many urban areas (and nearly all of the large ones) have transformed in a way where the primary driver of wealth is the "knowledge economy", e.g., health care, biotechnology, information technology, consulting.

"He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting" is the best summary of the Trump presidency to date. There is nothing despicable about it.

Democrats should not be ridiculing this message. They should be running with it. Whomever they nominate in 2020 will stand to lose a good number of votes if they fail to speak to this sentiment.

Worth noting that anger at bankers and economic elites was the driving appeal of the Sanders campaign. A charitable person can interpret Minton's statements to be the same thing, but... it's probably not what she meant.

[JA]

Are these the swing voters that will vote against Trump if we nominate a #populist white male who whispers about race and gender issues?

Congratulations to Landslide Lyndon and you! You’ve both proudly displayed total ignorance of a fairly simple theory by falsely (intentionally or not), that the “economic anxiety” issue was meant to explain the voting habits of Republican partisans. It’s obvious to anyone above a 3rd grade comprehension level that it was meant to be applied to swing voters who were drawn to Trump’s faux-economic populism due to their anxious financial situation and that of their community.

The first thing people should know about Liberals is that they dislike the Left more than Fascists; like historically in Germany and Italy, and all across Europe today, liberals will align with and co-opt Fascist positions well before they’d do the same with the left-wing. Obama was far more content drone bombing MENA children, having prison slave labor, mass deporting immigrants at record numbers, and offering greater austerity cuts than Republicans requested, while rejecting any attempt at a public option, even partially nationalizing or criminally punishing the banks, investing what was needed in a national world program, or doing anything else the leftwing wanted.

People like those quoted in the OP would likely never vote for a Democrat even if the Republican was Adolf Hitler reincarnate. They’re Fascists, plain and simple. They want the technocratic elite punished (which is fair), but also the underprivileged and leased powerful members of our society. That’s why they obsess over the wall; they had sociopathic fantasies of punishing and excluding Hispanics from American society.

[MasterJedi]

Most rural areas are already massively subsidized by the federal government and the large cities of their respective states so the government shutdown puts them in a lot of peril.

Rural areas can survive without cities, although at a lower level of technology. However, cities simply cannot survive without rural areas - the food and resources have to come from somewhere. So if urbanite city dwellers want to keep their lifestyle they should have a vested interest in maintaining rural subsidies.

The trouble is that many urbanites have convinced themselves that they don't need rural people. You'll find many posters on this forum who will go on at great length about how mining and farming communities have becoming Unnecessary and Uneconomical.

Whether this is as obviously true as they assume, not to mention whether it is a moral or desirable way of judging those people, rarely crosses their minds.

And be careful about bringing up reservations, the Black Belt, or the Rio Grande Valley. Often it makes those sorts uncomfortable about the implications of their views.

The trouble is that many of those rural people despise the "urban liberal" and enact policies that directly hurt the urban areas that subsidize their way of life. I'd have nothing against rural Wisconsin (a lot of it is very beautiful) if the people there didn't want to try and take away local control from the big cities and enact policies that would deeply hurt the cities too.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Are these the swing voters that will vote against Trump if we nominate a #populist white male who whispers about race and gender issues?

Congratulations to Landslide Lyndon and you! You’ve both proudly displayed total ignorance of a fairly simple theory by falsely (intentionally or not), that the “economic anxiety” issue was meant to explain the voting habits of Republican partisans. It’s obvious to anyone above a 3rd grade comprehension level that it was meant to be applied to swing voters who were drawn to Trump’s faux-economic populism due to their anxious financial situation and that of their community.

There is a ton of evidence that the opposite is true: they were attracted to Trump because of his racial resentment and xenophobic rhetoric.
But keep believing that Ms. Minton means Wall Street bankers and fat cats when she talks about  "these people".

[pbrower2a]

Schadenfreude makes bad politics.

Good politics is not about punishing people that one dislikes.

[Hindsight was 2020]

What's the point of this thread other than scapegoat "the 62,984,828" voted for Trump in 2016.

Yeah attacking millions of American for their political beliefs is wrong. But what can you do OP is a libtard/snowflake/moonbat/demonrat/soyboy/NPC/cuck from the coastal dates which we all know is not real American

[MasterJedi]

The trouble is that many of those rural people despise the "urban liberal" and enact policies that directly hurt the urban areas that subsidize their way of life. I'd have nothing against rural Wisconsin (a lot of it is very beautiful) if the people there didn't want to try and take away local control from the big cities and enact policies that would deeply hurt the cities too.

Of course. This particular instance of the "I'm just a heartland simpleton yuck-yuck-yuck" shtick had me groaning just yesterday:

https://twitter.com/ChuckGrassley/status/1082342091366322177

For a direct example for here in Milwaukee outstate Republicans have stopped the city from doing anything about raising the minimum wage above state level and have made it illegal for any type of taxes to be implemented on hotels to help pay for a streetcar system and have made it illegal for any type of regional transit authority to form.

I mean, I understand how rural people wouldn't care about any of that but to have the gal to say that because we don't want to do it you shouldn't be able to do it even though it has no impact on us is appalling. That's the fight against the rural conservatives, trying to let liberal cities have local control.

[ProudModerate2]

Economic anxiety at its finest.

[Yank2133]

Are these the swing voters that will vote against Trump if we nominate a #populist white male who whispers about race and gender issues?

Congratulations to Landslide Lyndon and you! You’ve both proudly displayed total ignorance of a fairly simple theory by falsely (intentionally or not), that the “economic anxiety” issue was meant to explain the voting habits of Republican partisans. It’s obvious to anyone above a 3rd grade comprehension level that it was meant to be applied to swing voters who were drawn to Trump’s faux-economic populism due to their anxious financial situation and that of their community.

There is a ton of evidence that the opposite is true: they were attracted to Trump because of his racial resentment and xenophobic rhetoric.
But keep believing that Ms. Minton means Wall Street bankers and fat cats when she talks about  "these people".

Yeah, some lefties have to get their heads out of their *****.

The average Trump voters (hell, the average voter in general) doesn't care about Wall Street or bankers. This is all about hurting minorities, liberal academics, and people who live in the cities.