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Former President tack50
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« on: January 07, 2019, 04:09:56 PM »

Macron already gave them too much and the violent leftist thugs still are protesting. He should just take back what he gave and let the brave French police intervene in order to teach them a good lesson. Law and order!

For 40 years thugs have been sabotaging attempts to make France a normally functioning nation (isn't that treason?) and every time the president cucked (and lost reelection/legislative majority anyway). It's clear that giving in to the protestors won't work. All French presidents did that and we saw how that ended. If Macron gives in his approval rating will be 30% instead of 25% and he'll lose reelection anyway. Macron should just ram through his economic agenda (whatever the f**k these violent thugs will do) and see what happens. The people will never love him anyway, but if unemployment drops below 8% by 2022 they'll give him a second term. If he fails, alas. As if it matters whether you lose reelection with a 80% disapproval rating or a 65% disapproval rating.

But seriously, the situation in France really is a vicious circle. President tries something to liberalize the economy, people protest, president gives in, president loses some elections because the economy still is sh**t, enter new president/prime minister. The choice is Macron's now. Either he gives in, keeps the wheel spinning and leaves office in 2022/2027 with his reputation somewhat intact and France still in tatters or he can make a shot at breaking the wheel and be a truly great president (with the risk that it horribly backfires). One way or another, it has to come to a confrontation. If it doesn't happen now it'll happen in 5 or 10 years anyway. Macron can choose whether he wants to be Edward Heath or Margaret Thatcher. Let this be Macron's ''the lady's not for turning'' moment!

I mean, I'm generally left wing economically and this is very very exaggerated but there's a bit of truth in here.

Let Macron do his reforms, and if he fails then take him out. It's not as if LREM is an established party (unlike PS) so he has nothing to lose even if he goes down in flames with a 1% approval rating. (other than risking president Le Pen or president Melenchon but that's already a risk even if he were to cave on every yellow vests demand)

He can cave in and waste his 5 year term, or try to be French Thatcher which may succeed or may fail (remember Thatcher was unpopular until  the Falklands war)

Also, as a sidenote, I'd say France need some sort of "midterms" to put a check on the president's generally unchecked power.
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Former President tack50
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2019, 10:51:55 AM »

The outskirts of some European cities make me really glad about whoever came up with Green Belts over in this country.

Can you elaborate on that? I know very little about British urban planning, and if they got something right that the rest of Europe didn't that definitely deserves to be highlighted.

Same here. Especially considering that at least according to Eurostat, British urban planning should be worse than French urban planning, not better; at keast if you are optimizing for density and compact cities

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Housing_statistics#Type_of_dwelling



The UK has literally the 2nd lowest flat population in the EU while France is only marginally below the EU average. It does have a lot of semi-detached houses though, not just compared to France but to most of Europe
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