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Junior Chimp
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« on: January 07, 2019, 01:34:57 PM »

I think we'd see a successful Bay of Pigs (which would've obviously led to there having been no Cuban Missile Crisis), or something similar to it (perhaps just a straight up invasion w/ the U.S. Army, which would've likely been successful as the American public would've been very supportive of taking out Castro). Nixon was well aware of Eisenhower-initiated American plans to depose Castro, & he would've also lacked the indecisiveness that JFK had in his early days in office. W/ Castro out, either Batista is reinstalled or somebody less brutal than him is installed; either way, the new Cuban leader would've been a supporter of U.S. interests.

Vietnam is an interesting issue. Part of me strongly feels that Nixon wouldn't really escalate Vietnam like JFK & LBJ did as, while he was an ardent anti-Communist, he was also an expert in international affairs. I think he'd basically maintain Eisenhower's policy, sticking to advisers while focusing on other areas he'd consider more important.

I think we'd still see the passage of a Civil Rights Bill. Nixon was a firm believer in civil rights (before he appealed to racists via the Southern Strategy out of pure political gamesmanship), & even campaigned on it. He had originally received the endorsement of MLK Sr. before RFK reached out to MLK Jr. & other civil rights leaders. Nixon, then having a base that didn't include the south, would've had fewer qualms of pursuing civil rights legislation earlier & maybe even more aggressively (perhaps to secure the African-American vote), though it could possibly have taken longer then it did in real life to secure the legislation's passage as, without having JFK martyred, it could've been harder to push it through Congress.

There'd likely be no Berlin Crisis, or at least a very different one from the one we saw. Khrushchev had previous interaction w/ Nixon, & wouldn't have been as bold in trying to push Nixon's limits.

So Nixon obviously wins re-election in 1964.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2019, 06:50:25 PM »

I think we'd see a successful Bay of Pigs (which would've obviously led to there having been no Cuban Missile Crisis), or something similar to it (perhaps just a straight up invasion w/ the U.S. Army, which would've likely been successful as the American public would've been very supportive of taking out Castro). Nixon was well aware of Eisenhower-initiated American plans to depose Castro, & he would've also lacked the indecisiveness that JFK had in his early days in office. W/ Castro out, either Batista is reinstalled or somebody less brutal than him is installed; either way, the new Cuban leader would've been a supporter of U.S. interests.

Vietnam is an interesting issue. Part of me strongly feels that Nixon wouldn't really escalate Vietnam like JFK & LBJ did as, while he was an ardent anti-Communist, he was also an expert in international affairs. I think he'd basically maintain Eisenhower's policy, sticking to advisers while focusing on other areas he'd consider more important.

I think we'd still see the passage of a Civil Rights Bill. Nixon was a firm believer in civil rights (before he appealed to racists via the Southern Strategy out of pure political gamesmanship), & even campaigned on it. He had originally received the endorsement of MLK Sr. before RFK reached out to MLK Jr. & other civil rights leaders. Nixon, then having a base that didn't include the south, would've had fewer qualms of pursuing civil rights legislation earlier & maybe even more aggressively (perhaps to secure the African-American vote), though it could possibly have taken longer then it did in real life to secure the legislation's passage as, without having JFK martyred, it could've been harder to push it through Congress.

There'd likely be no Berlin Crisis, or at least a very different one from the one we saw. Khrushchev had previous interaction w/ Nixon, & wouldn't have been as bold in trying to push Nixon's limits.

So Nixon obviously wins re-election in 1964.

Probably, yeah.

Against which Democrat according to you?
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2019, 11:06:20 PM »

A Democrat wins in '68 and likely '72. That means the GOP is likely to get stuck with the chalice that is the late '70's.

So the GOP wins in 1980 due to the Iran hostage crisis, the Second Oil Crisis and to the rising inflation at that time.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2021, 08:52:15 PM »

Then, Robert Kennedy would of been Prez, no Lee Harvey Oswald, no Russian interference, Kennedy would have coasted off of znixon involvement in Nam

By 1970, of Kennedy won on 1968 no Assassinations, because China not Russia was gained dominance.  Nixon probably list Castro from Ciba

Nixon would very likely have succeeded the Bay if Pigs invasion, indeed. As Eisenhower's Vice-President, he knew of the original plan and was close to the military and CIA people who had prepared it. He likely would have allowed U.S. air support.
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