Elizabeth Warren 2020 campaign megathread

[Babeuf]

Like it a lot. She could do far, far worse.

[Holmes]

Guys it's October 2019. It's too early to put anyone on the VP shortlist.

[KaiserDave]

Do you guys like the idea of a Warren/Gillum ticket?

Gillum lost a gimme race, he should be exiled until he proves himself otherwise.

[GP270watch]

Gillum lost a gimme race, he should be exiled until he proves himself otherwise.

 His race was never a gimme.

[Rookie Yinzer]

He lost, so what. Voters have the memory of goldfish. He is a compelling speaker and He brings more to the table than Pete Buttigieg, who has also been considered a strong VP pick for Senator Warren.

[Heebie Jeebie]

He lost, so what. Voters have the memory of goldfish. He is a compelling speaker and He brings more to the table than Pete Buttigieg, who has also been considered a strong VP pick for Senator Warren.

Is there any reason to think that Andrew Gillum is ready to be president?  That's kind of the most important qualification for the veep position, isn't it?

[GoTfan]

Not a good idea. A sad fact of running a national campaign in the US is that if you have someone like Gillum on the ticket with Warren at the top is that you write off WCW voters, and I know i'll get called racist for saying that, but it's true. Those are the voters who'll swing Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and if you shun them, you lose thise three states and the election.

I know Atlas Dems love to call WCW voters racists, and that more than a few are in favour of shunning them (i could argue that some want Democrats to ignore them completely) but those three states did vote for Obama twice.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Not a good idea. A sad fact of running a national campaign in the US is that if you have someone like Gillum on the ticket with Warren at the top is that you write off WCW voters, and I know i'll get called racist for saying that, but it's true. Those are the voters who'll swing Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and if you shun them, you lose thise three states and the election.

I know Atlas Dems love to call WCW voters racists, and that more than a few are in favour of shunning them (i could argue that some want Democrats to ignore them completely) but those three states did vote for Obama twice.

Are you not calling them racist by implying a white woman and black man can’t win their votes?

I love how according to the right and hardcore leftists, black folks and women are the ones who traffic in identity politics but the notion of a white man being absent from the ticket is considered “writing off” the WWC? Lol. Mkay.

[KaiserDave]

He lost, so what. Voters have the memory of goldfish. He is a compelling speaker and He brings more to the table than Pete Buttigieg, who has also been considered a strong VP pick for Senator Warren.

I do agree on that count, Buttigieg (who I once loved-oh what a fool I was) is not a strong choice.

[KaiserDave]

Gillum lost a gimme race, he should be exiled until he proves himself otherwise.

 His race was never a gimme.

Why some of the blame goes to Bill Nelson losing a gimme race, Gillum should've won a Trump +1 state in a D +9 year.

[Pericles]

Gillum couldn't win Florida in 2018, and is hampered by his ethics scandals, so it's illogical to think he'd be much use in flipping Florida in 2020 (and Florida likely won't be the tipping-point state anyway)

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Boy i was reading through the earlier comments in this thread and it sure does continue the Atlas tradition of being horribly, laughably wrong

In fairness, her rollout/early campaign was pretty bad. I think Warren has surprised a lot of people and exceeded their initial expectations.

For a long time I was surprised at how badly she was doing.

[GoTfan]

Not a good idea. A sad fact of running a national campaign in the US is that if you have someone like Gillum on the ticket with Warren at the top is that you write off WCW voters, and I know i'll get called racist for saying that, but it's true. Those are the voters who'll swing Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and if you shun them, you lose thise three states and the election.

I know Atlas Dems love to call WCW voters racists, and that more than a few are in favour of shunning them (i could argue that some want Democrats to ignore them completely) but those three states did vote for Obama twice.

Are you not calling them racist by implying a white woman and black man can’t win their votes?

I love how according to the right and hardcore leftists, black folks and women are the ones who traffic in identity politics but the notion of a white man being absent from the ticket is considered “writing off” the WWC? Lol. Mkay.

It is a sad fact, but you need someone like Bennet on as VP when you have a porgressive woman at the top of the ticket. Plua, you're actually on the record as being in favour of directly shunning WCW voters, so it's not like you can speak with mountains of authority.

[JG]

Not a good idea. A sad fact of running a national campaign in the US is that if you have someone like Gillum on the ticket with Warren at the top is that you write off WCW voters, and I know i'll get called racist for saying that, but it's true. Those are the voters who'll swing Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and if you shun them, you lose thise three states and the election.

I know Atlas Dems love to call WCW voters racists, and that more than a few are in favour of shunning them (i could argue that some want Democrats to ignore them completely) but those three states did vote for Obama twice.

Then, if those fabled WCW voters aren't racist and sexist, why putting a woman and a black man at the top of the ticket would necessarly mean that you write them off?

[GoTfan]

Not a good idea. A sad fact of running a national campaign in the US is that if you have someone like Gillum on the ticket with Warren at the top is that you write off WCW voters, and I know i'll get called racist for saying that, but it's true. Those are the voters who'll swing Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and if you shun them, you lose thise three states and the election.

I know Atlas Dems love to call WCW voters racists, and that more than a few are in favour of shunning them (i could argue that some want Democrats to ignore them completely) but those three states did vote for Obama twice.

Then, if those fabled WCW voters aren't racist and sexist, why putting a woman and a black man at the top of the ticket would necessarly mean that you write them off?

I'm not saying there isn't an element of racism, mate, but the fact is you need to balance tickets in a lot of way. Her best bet for VP is a moderate white male. Separate your ideology from your dream tickets.

[KaiserDave]

Well my dream ticket is Warren/Bennet, so I'm on board with that.

[Heebie Jeebie]

Not a good idea. A sad fact of running a national campaign in the US is that if you have someone like Gillum on the ticket with Warren at the top is that you write off WCW voters, and I know i'll get called racist for saying that, but it's true. Those are the voters who'll swing Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and if you shun them, you lose thise three states and the election.

I know Atlas Dems love to call WCW voters racists, and that more than a few are in favour of shunning them (i could argue that some want Democrats to ignore them completely) but those three states did vote for Obama twice.

Then, if those fabled WCW voters aren't racist and sexist, why putting a woman and a black man at the top of the ticket would necessarly mean that you write them off?

I'm not saying there isn't an element of racism, mate, but the fact is you need to balance tickets in a lot of way. Her best bet for VP is a moderate white male. Separate your ideology from your dream tickets.

Balance is overrated.  Was Clinton/Gore a "balanced" ticket?

[GoTfan]

Not a good idea. A sad fact of running a national campaign in the US is that if you have someone like Gillum on the ticket with Warren at the top is that you write off WCW voters, and I know i'll get called racist for saying that, but it's true. Those are the voters who'll swing Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and if you shun them, you lose thise three states and the election.

I know Atlas Dems love to call WCW voters racists, and that more than a few are in favour of shunning them (i could argue that some want Democrats to ignore them completely) but those three states did vote for Obama twice.

Then, if those fabled WCW voters aren't racist and sexist, why putting a woman and a black man at the top of the ticket would necessarly mean that you write them off?

I'm not saying there isn't an element of racism, mate, but the fact is you need to balance tickets in a lot of way. Her best bet for VP is a moderate white male. Separate your ideology from your dream tickets.

Balance is overrated.  Was Clinton/Gore a "balanced" ticket?

Gore was far stronger on environmental and foreign policy issues than Clinton, which made him a solid choice.

[OneJ]

I would be a lot more willing to back and be comfortable with a Warren/Abrams ticket.

[GoTfan]

I would be a lot more willing to back and be comfortable with a Warren/Abrams ticket.

That will never happen.

[GP270watch]

Why some of the blame goes to Bill Nelson losing a gimme race, Gillum should've won a Trump +1 state in a D +9 year.

 Every state is unique to itself. Large parts of Florida are basically "the south". Older Cuban voters have never been particularly favorable to black candidates. Gillum was always facing a strong headwind. The polls and national atmosphere didn't mean anything down here.

[YE]

Why some of the blame goes to Bill Nelson losing a gimme race, Gillum should've won a Trump +1 state in a D +9 year.

 Every state is unique to itself. Large parts of Florida are basically "the south". Older Cuban voters have never been particularly favorable to black candidates. Gillum was always facing a strong headwind. The polls and national atmosphere didn't mean anything down here.

Why did Obama did relatively well in FL in 2012, especially compared to other Dems in recent years then?

[Rookie Yinzer]

Gore was far stronger on environmental and foreign policy issues than Clinton, which made him a solid choice.

LOL at you thinking voters really considered the politics of the VP choices before casting their vote. Nobody cares if he is moderate, liberal, or otherwise. People vote off of emotion, identity, and their tribe. Gillum is an intelligent black man, with a beautiful young family, and powerful speaking skills. That's all that will matter at the end of the day. It's obvious Warren wants to lean in on ginning up excitement among AAs. She is plenty populist herself for the "WWC"

[Pouring Rain and Blairing Music]

I feel like VP should be at least a congressperson, cabinet member, governor, or a very prominent general/admiral. Not a mayor of a medium sized city that lost a winnable gubernatorial election.

Gillum lost a gimme race, he should be exiled until he proves himself otherwise.

 His race was never a gimme.

Why some of the blame goes to Bill Nelson losing a gimme race, Gillum should've won a Trump +1 state in a D +9 year.

Both of them should’ve been able to win last year. It’s pathetic that they (especially Nelson) didn’t.

[Heebie Jeebie]

Not a good idea. A sad fact of running a national campaign in the US is that if you have someone like Gillum on the ticket with Warren at the top is that you write off WCW voters, and I know i'll get called racist for saying that, but it's true. Those are the voters who'll swing Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and if you shun them, you lose thise three states and the election.

I know Atlas Dems love to call WCW voters racists, and that more than a few are in favour of shunning them (i could argue that some want Democrats to ignore them completely) but those three states did vote for Obama twice.

Then, if those fabled WCW voters aren't racist and sexist, why putting a woman and a black man at the top of the ticket would necessarly mean that you write them off?

I'm not saying there isn't an element of racism, mate, but the fact is you need to balance tickets in a lot of way. Her best bet for VP is a moderate white male. Separate your ideology from your dream tickets.

Balance is overrated.  Was Clinton/Gore a "balanced" ticket?

Gore was far stronger on environmental and foreign policy issues than Clinton, which made him a solid choice.

How would you feel about a Warren/Klobuchar ticket?  That'd be pretty good balance, right?