Elizabeth Warren 2020 campaign megathread

[Dr. Arch]

https://twitter.com/MrDane1982/status/1079780764982620160

Yeah... Warren isn't going anywhere. I think she's managed to piss/turn off practically every D coalition.

[Old Man Willow]

Elizabeth Warren is one of the select few senators who stands up for working people. But yeah, let's not support her because of how she treated corporate bought neoliberal garbage like Obama and Clinton.

On a side note, I really hope Bernie doesn't run now, the progressive vote shouldn't be split, especially with the pro-choice Republican clown car of Beto/Biden/Kamala already doing so well.

[Orwell]

Elizabeth Warren is one of the select few senators who stands up for working people. But yeah, let's not support her because of how she treated corporate bought neoliberal garbage like Obama and Clinton.

On a side note, I really hope Bernie doesn't run now, the progressive vote shouldn't be split, especially with the pro-choice Republican clown car of Beto/Biden/Kamala already doing so well.

Ah Socialist America haters  are calling out the Democratic Parties best chance to beat Trump

[Old Man Willow]

Elizabeth Warren is one of the select few senators who stands up for working people. But yeah, let's not support her because of how she treated corporate bought neoliberal garbage like Obama and Clinton.

On a side note, I really hope Bernie doesn't run now, the progressive vote shouldn't be split, especially with the pro-choice Republican clown car of Beto/Biden/Kamala already doing so well.

Ah Socialist America haters  are calling out the Democratic Parties best chance to beat Trump

Pro-choice Republicans such as yourself should love Trump since he's basically a third George W Bush term.

[Tender Branson]

I guess this is way too early ... but whatever.

There's a big chance that she'll burn out over the next year and someone else will suck up her support.

[Orwell]

Elizabeth Warren is one of the select few senators who stands up for working people. But yeah, let's not support her because of how she treated corporate bought neoliberal garbage like Obama and Clinton.

On a side note, I really hope Bernie doesn't run now, the progressive vote shouldn't be split, especially with the pro-choice Republican clown car of Beto/Biden/Kamala already doing so well.

Ah Socialist America haters  are calling out the Democratic Parties best chance to beat Trump

Pro-choice Republicans such as yourself should love Trump since he's basically a third George W Bush term.

"Pro-Choice Republicans" I don't like Trump because he is a protectionist who hurts American workers, and farmers. He is anti Union and banned bump stocks when not increasing background checks. Socialists are ruining the Democratic Party and are gonna drive "pro-choice Republicans" like me to the Republican party.

[Farmlands]

I don't follow, she endorsed Clinton in 2016, did she not? If she insulted them or something, I don't think it's a well known fact at all. Anyway, I'm sad to see Warren in this position, if only she wasn't bogged in a bad couple of recent years... and I want someone who can defeat Trump.

[Old Man Willow]

I guess this is way too early ... but whatever.

There's a big chance that she'll burn out over the next year and someone else will suck up her support.

She'll "burn out" once the media smears her out of relevance so one of their favorite Wall St puppets can take the top spot. 

[Joey1996]

https://twitter.com/MrDane1982/status/1079780764982620160

Lol

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I guess this is way too early ... but whatever.

There's a big chance that she'll burn out over the next year and someone else will suck up her support.

She'll "burn out" once the media smears her out of relevance so one of their favorite Wall St puppets can take the top spot. 

Calm down bucko.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

much sexism w00t

[Rookie Yinzer]

I don't follow, she endorsed Clinton in 2016, did she not? If she insulted them or something, I don't think it's a well known fact at all. Anyway, I'm sad to see Warren in this position, if only she wasn't bogged in a bad couple of recent years... and I want someone who can defeat Trump.

I think because she jumped the gun and said unequivocally that Hillary rigged the primary when that Donna Brazile book came out. She and Brazile both ended up walking their comments back.

[coloradocowboi]

Great President, bad candidate.

Perhaps. This is about as much of the other side's position I'll be willing to entertain in this rebuttal.

She and Bernie are still the only two people who actually know and understand what the hell is wrong with this country, and they're the only two people with any sort of policies to fix it (and, if I'm honest, her policies are better and more refined than Bernie's).

This. I'm not voting for anyone who thinks we need to "compromise" with the greedy business industries who have wrecked our climate and created the biggest wealth gap since the Gilded Age.

With all this analysis from both sides stating Warren has no chance at all, what makes her think she actually has a shot?

The "analysts" (by the way, I was one), are mostly paid for by big donors who really hope that she doesn't have a shot. Despite her flaws as a candidate, she definitely has one. Hillary, a way worse candidate than her, still almost (and technically did) beat Trump in a year that was awful for Dems. None of those conditions even apply in 2020. Liz would still be a frontrunner against Trump, and prolly against Pence if something happened. She knows this.

Elizabeth Warren is a bad candidate because she is:

*Goofy (she has a dopey/clumsy personality)
*Not a good speaker (she has frail, brittle voice)
*Not a good campaigner
*Bogged down the whole Native American DNA test nonsense
*She will be 71 years old in 2020 (Isn't the Democratic Party, the party of youth/younger people?)

I don't hate Elizabeth Warren and I think that she's perfectly fine as Massachusetts' senior senator. However, she should not run for President.

Just about all of these points apply to Joe Biden and yet he's seen as a front runner?

Sexism. It exists. It colors our perceptions of people. And honestly, most of the disagreements I have seen with this statement have been so bizarrely reactionary that I think they can only come from ideological blindness and probably a touch of misogyny themselves. Liz is more dynamic than both Biden and Bernie. The only difference between her and them in "relatability" is gender. How tf is some "aww shucks" lady from Oklahoma more "elitist" than a guy who pals around with corporate bigwigs and a guy who wrote erotic poetry and lived a hippie-dippy life until he was like 50?

I guess this is way too early ... but whatever.

There's a big chance that she'll burn out over the next year and someone else will suck up her support.

She'll "burn out" once the media smears her out of relevance so one of their favorite Wall St puppets can take the top spot. 

This. But that's why I am not going to give up. I honestly think she is the best equipped candidate to address the real issues. I think that it will be a D favorable year with Trump's unpopularity and a brewing recession. And I don't want to just take the country back from him, but also from the oligarchs and their greed that paved the way for his rise. Only she and Bernie seem, thus far, to be willing to embark on that project.

[YE]

https://twitter.com/MrDane1982/status/1079780764982620160

Lol

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

It's funny that a year or two ago I actually thought Warren would be a great unifier of the party. She's certainly liberal enough for the Sanders types but is actually a member of the Democratic Party (unlike Sanders) and has shown some respect for political logistics (refusing to endorse either candidate in the 2016 primary, etc.). Now, it appears that she has made a lot of enemies in the party. In fact, it appears that the farthest left faction of the party, despite once appearing to be her core base, has turned on her the most. All I've seen on Twitter today is liberals focusing on a few relatively inconsequential foreign policy differences they have with her and her not endorsing Sanders in 2016, and thus declaring her a "fake progressive." (Not to say that what we see on Twitter is perfectly indicative of her odds in 2020, but...) I mean, I don't really like to be the "think practically!" guy, but the nitpicking is getting pretty absurd. If she's not liberal enough for you, you're gonna have a hard time coming to terms with the realities of the 2020 primary, because if Sanders doesn't run, she's clearly the most progressive candidate you're going to get.

I personally think that the whole Native American debacle should be pretty inconsequential, but I actually do think it has negatively impacted her, not necessarily because Democrats dislike her personally any more than they did before but because now they more deeply question her political skills and electability. I don't think that's unfair.

[Reluctant Republican]

I've no idea why she announced today, of all days. Mind it's more of a pre announcement I guess and probably not quite as important, but I still think it could have been better timed.

Personally i think she missed her moment, but in a crowded field anything can happen. Maybe Warren gives a great debate performance. Honestly if I were one of the Dems I'd want to find a way to really get under Trump's skin so he tweets about you after one of the debates. I think it could be a huge net positive for any of them who were able to position themselves as the "one Trump fears" or whatever.

[Old Man Willow]

I haven't read progressive Twitter and Reddit yet, but on Youtube most progressives seem disappointed that she's running since they feel she'd split the progressive vote with Bernie. I'd prefer only one of them run for that very reason but I don't really care which one it is.

They both have strengths and weaknesses. Bernie is more "likable" and therefore starts out stronger, but he's also not a great debater and I'd feel slightly more confident with Warren on stage against Trump. On the other hand, Warren isn't quite as progressive as Bernie and is a bit more establishment friendly, but not to the extent that she serves them instead of the people.

[Grassroots]

HAHAHA!!!! Let the games commence!

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I like Warren, but this alone even with all the given circumstances is disqualifying in my book. She will not be getting my vote or support in the primaries. Ofc if she gets to the GE then she does.

[Mr. Morden]

I don't follow, she endorsed Clinton in 2016, did she not? If she insulted them or something, I don't think it's a well known fact at all. Anyway, I'm sad to see Warren in this position, if only she wasn't bogged in a bad couple of recent years... and I want someone who can defeat Trump.

I think because she jumped the gun and said unequivocally that Hillary rigged the primary when that Donna Brazile book came out. She and Brazile both ended up walking their comments back.

Yep.  Here's the thread on that:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=276445.0

I've no idea why she announced today, of all days. Mind it's more of a pre announcement I guess and probably not quite as important, but I still think it could have been better timed.

She wants to maximize her 1st quarter fundraising haul, so she launches less than a day before the quarter starts.  It wouldn't surprise me if Booker and/or Gillibrand also launch this week for the same reason.  (Harris is apparently going to wait a few weeks because of her book tour.)

[Old Man Willow]

Her senate performance in 2018 was indeed very poor. Probably because people perceive her as "elitist" and perception is everything in America. Never mind the fact that she's one of less than 10 people in Congress who have genuinely stood up against special interests. Facts be damned.

[Joey1996]

What about Elizabeth Warren is elitist? This has never made an ounce of sense to me.

[Mr. Morden]

She's holding a news conference right now, which you can watch here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tispO60-z4k

[YE]

What about Elizabeth Warren is elitist? This has never made an ounce of sense to me.

She’s from Massachusetts and isn’t charismatic enough to offset said weakness.

[Roll Roons]

What about Elizabeth Warren is elitist? This has never made an ounce of sense to me.

The fact that she used to teach at Harvard. Academia, especially when it comes to the Ivy League, is seen as elite.