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parochial boy
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« on: December 31, 2018, 02:39:33 AM »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...

Also, Atlas "lefties" are so terrible on this issue. If you wanna be #populists, be populists on the backs of your own school kids. Don't strive for other countries to become shooting-infested nations like your country. It's not even funny seeing all of you cheer for this with the full knowledge that dozens of kids are dying every year in your country because of gun violence, with weak gun control being the only thing differentiating you from other countries and thus the probable cause for these deaths- it's disgusting.

There is a line of logic that goes something like -

I want to be populist to prove I am in in touch with the "white working class", so I need to be Socially Conservative. I don't want to be nasty to immigrants, cos that's racist; and I don't want to be nasty to LGBT people, cos that's homophobic - so how about guns and abortion? They don't affect me in any way whatsoever, so may as well have them as my token "Socially Conservative" issues, right?
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parochial boy
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2018, 04:16:07 AM »

I mean the most obvious relationship that chart suggests is between poverty/inequality and violence; but ince you control for that there's obviously a correlation between guns and murders; and restricting access to guns would save thousands of lives. Which is the most important thing

(And in Brazil's case, obviously social dislocation is the cause, so address that. More guns just means more dead people)
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parochial boy
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2018, 04:20:34 AM »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...

Also, Atlas "lefties" are so terrible on this issue. If you wanna be #populists, be populists on the backs of your own school kids. Don't strive for other countries to become shooting-infested nations like your country. It's not even funny seeing all of you cheer for this with the full knowledge that dozens of kids are dying every year in your country because of gun violence, with weak gun control being the only thing differentiating you from other countries and thus the probable cause for these deaths- it's disgusting.




Or just maybe it's to do with the gross levels of income inequality, racial inequality and conflict and a non-existent welfare state and social fabric.

Mass non-terroristic gun shootings aren't equivalent to homicides of all sorts, and those mass-shootings are massively more frequent in the US than in the rest of the world, there's just no denying it. It's funny how pro gun socialists and libertarians both blame poor people for gun violence- stop muddying the water, mass shootings aren't rare at all even in the whitest, most well-to-do neighborhoods. Not everything is caused by economic woes.

A homicide is a homicide though, whether it is "mass" or not. Gun Control only stops mass shootings and results in homicides being done by other means and has a negligible impact on the homicide rate (which is the relevant crime rate when discussing gun control).

Homicides are much more frequent in us than the rest of the (western world) but that's not due to loose gun laws. Data and results from other countries show there is no correlation between homicides, violent crimes and gun control. Australia enacted major gun control, NZ did not, both countries had a lowering of the homicide rate the by the same rate.

Switzerland has loose gun control and a low homicide rate and very rare mass shooting. Again the issue is not to do with gun control.
Regarding Switzerland, they actually tightened up the rules on army issued rifles quite significantly as a result of a spike in the number of gun suicides (young isolated people doing military service with access to guns, what could go wrong?); the suicide rate dropped dramatically after they did that
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