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« Reply #1300 on: January 27, 2021, 02:10:46 PM »

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« Reply #1301 on: January 27, 2021, 09:38:09 PM »



Wow.  I wasn't expecting that.

That's the same deadline as on the COVID-19 plan, I think.  That plan didn't have the redistricting data (with population and other info for sub-state entities down to the block level) arriving until July 31.
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« Reply #1302 on: January 29, 2021, 11:01:30 AM »

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"I think the worst thing that we could do would be [to] deliver data that had question marks with it. We need to give you the best data that we can," Kathleen Styles, the bureau's chief of 2020 census communications and stakeholder relations, said Wednesday during a webinar organized by the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Styles noted the bureau has used the extra time to make follow-up phone calls with some administrators of college dormitories who appeared to have misreported all of their student residents as living in one dorm.

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« Reply #1303 on: January 30, 2021, 03:36:21 PM »

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"I think the worst thing that we could do would be [to] deliver data that had question marks with it. We need to give you the best data that we can," Kathleen Styles, the bureau's chief of 2020 census communications and stakeholder relations, said Wednesday during a webinar organized by the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Styles noted the bureau has used the extra time to make follow-up phone calls with some administrators of college dormitories who appeared to have misreported all of their student residents as living in one dorm.

lol 😂

I’m almost certain I was double counted in college. It probably happens a lot.
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« Reply #1304 on: January 30, 2021, 08:11:18 PM »

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"I think the worst thing that we could do would be [to] deliver data that had question marks with it. We need to give you the best data that we can," Kathleen Styles, the bureau's chief of 2020 census communications and stakeholder relations, said Wednesday during a webinar organized by the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Styles noted the bureau has used the extra time to make follow-up phone calls with some administrators of college dormitories who appeared to have misreported all of their student residents as living in one dorm.

lol 😂

I’m almost certain I was double counted in college. It probably happens a lot.
All the more reason to have a national registry and federal ID cards.

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« Reply #1305 on: February 03, 2021, 12:13:09 PM »

2020 Census Processing Updates

February 02, 2021
BY DR. RON JARMIN, ACTING DIRECTOR

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In keeping with the U.S. Census Bureau’s long-established commitment to being entirely transparent in the production of our statistics and data products, I’m writing to provide an update on data processing for the 2020 Census. In every decennial census, we are the first to identify and analyze the quality of our data, including the extent to which we overcount or undercount key population groups in our country. We cannot do this in detail until we complete the Post-Enumeration Survey later this year, however we know a lot already about the accuracy and completeness of our population counts in the 2020 Census. I blogged with some initial impressions in early November, and we’ve made a lot of progress since then. But as reported in the media, some issues have surfaced as well. Most of these issues are typical and are similar to those we’ve encountered in prior decennial censuses. Others are novel to planned improvements for the 2020 Census, and some are related to the difficulties experienced collecting data during the COVID-19 pandemic.

The main consequence of these issues regards the schedule. The Census Bureau takes its constitutional and statutory duties very seriously. Even with the pandemic delaying data collection, we hoped to deliver the state population counts for apportionment by the statutory deadline of Dec. 31, 2020. Even with data collection not ending until mid-October, this was technically possible as long as we didn’t encounter any significant processing issues. However, we were also realistic knowing that all prior decennial censuses encountered such issues. We devoted additional resources, including staff working weekends and holidays, to meet the deadline. Even with these additional resources, we knew that we would need to stay on what we referred to as the “happy path,” where each stage of processing would be completed with no issues in order to process the data in two and a half months rather than the five months that our final Operational Plan called for. The path we actually experienced was much more like those we’ve historically experienced in prior censuses than the “happy path” we had hoped would allow us to deliver the apportionment data on time. The result is that our current schedule points to April 30, 2021, for the completion of the apportionment counts.

The desire to meet the statutory deadline meant that there was unprecedented attention by Census Bureau and U.S. Department of Commerce leadership and by outside observers on the data processing schedule. It is important to know that while we had the goal of finishing by the statutory deadline, or as close to it as possible, the Census Bureau’s most important objective — the objective that has driven our entire approach to the 2020 Census — is to deliver a complete and accurate census. That is, to count every person residing in the country once, only once, and in the right place. To achieve this objective, ALL processing issues we find are carefully researched, a fix is developed and tested, and then implemented. Because this can be a time-consuming process, the “happy path” that would have met the statutory deadline was not achievable.

The issues we’ve uncovered are varied in their underlying cause, their magnitude, and the complexity of their remedies. Coming soon will be more detailed information about these issues and how we’re addressing them from experts far more qualified to comment on them than I. But I want to talk briefly about some broad classes of issues we’re seeing, some more concerning that others.

First, there are what one might call “standard” problems that arise in processing any large survey. These might include what we’ve been referring to as processing anomalies such as basic errors in processing code, mismatches between code and business rules, errors in data handoffs between systems, and misalignment of processing business rules between phases. These make up the majority of the issues we’ve encountered in processing the 2020 Census. It is common to encounter issues like these when one runs the entire country through post-collection processing and these issues are relatively straightforward to address. Thus, we’re not concerned about them impacting the quality of the final data. And while we try to apply lessons learned from prior censuses and surveys to minimize the prevalence and impact of these types of issues, design changes to the 2020 Census intended to make it easier for Americans to respond can create new and unanticipated complexities for data processing as the number of response modes (e.g., internet, phone, and paper self-response; administrative records; and visits by enumerators) has increased relative to 2010.

The other class of issues arise from the nature of the responses to the 2020 Census. Again, we’ve experienced most of these before, but some have been exacerbated by design changes for 2020 and, most importantly, by the pandemic. These include whether households respond (response rates), the completeness of their responses (I mentioned the issue of item nonresponse in my November blog), and the ability of our enumerators to contact nonresponding households (e.g., in areas impacted by natural disasters) and the cooperation of those households.   

Enumerating Group Quarters (GQs) facilities is a challenge in every decennial census, but we are seeing additional complications brought on by the COVID-19 pandemic. GQs are facilities such as college dormitories, prisons and nursing homes. We delayed this and other field operations due to the pandemic. This delay, and the fact that some facilities emptied in the spring due to the pandemic, has caused issues with our GQs enumeration. Even though these issues affect a relatively small part of the total count, they can have a big impact on the count for the communities in which they’re located. As a result, we re-contacted thousands of facilities and have brought in new data sources such as the Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System (for college dormitories) to resolve these issues.

Another issue we experience with every decennial census is duplicate responses. The addition of the internet response option and the ability to respond without a Census ID# have increased duplicate responses, as we expected. Our data processing in the 2010 Census was able to handle this challenge, and we are again well-equipped to handle duplicates in the 2020 Census.

Counting every American once, only once, and in the right place is a daunting challenge even in the best of circumstances, and the circumstances presented for the 2020 Census were not the best. At the end of the day, the key question is, did those circumstances impact the fitness of the data we will release based on the 2020 Census? Knowing that the COVID-19 pandemic might pose data quality issues for the 2020 Census, I chartered the 2020 Data Quality Executive Guidance Group last April to ensure that we had the right focus and resources dedicated to detecting and addressing data quality issues. Since then, I and other senior leaders have met regularly with various teams working the 2020 Census to discuss a range of quality-related issues. During data collection, these discussions centered on how game-time decisions to cope with the pandemic, hurricanes, wildfires and civil unrest might affect data quality and what we could do to mitigate any impacts to data quality. During post-collection processing, we’ve reviewed processing anomalies, discussed remedies, and reviewed early quality indicators. Most importantly, we’ve ensured that our dedicated staff have the time and resources to do the job right. To increase the transparency of our efforts, we will be releasing additional blogs from Census Bureau experts that dive more deeply into the issues discussed above. Also, we are working with a team of experts from the American Statistical Association on quality indicators (I mentioned our intention to engage them in my November blog) and members of  JASON who, since the beginning of data collections, continue to review our processes, procedures and key decisions. JASON is an independent group of technical experts that advise the federal government on sensitive matters in science and technology. These efforts will give the public an unprecedented behind-the-scenes look at the 2020 Census and should provide additional confidence in assessing the fitness of the 2020 Census data.

As we complete each major stage of processing and release 2020 Census data products to the public, we will be releasing quality indicators appropriate for each release. Later this month, we will begin processing the Census Unedited File (CUF) from which the apportionment counts are tabulated. For the release of the apportionment data by the end of April, we plan to release state-level quality indicators based on the CUF. Once the CUF is complete, we will begin processing the Census Edited File from which the Public Law 94-171 redistricting data are tabulated. We hope to have an update on this schedule soon. Here again, we are developing appropriate quality indicators to accompany this release. Please continue to watch for more updates from my colleagues in the coming weeks.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/director/2021/02/2020-census-processing-updates.html
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« Reply #1306 on: February 03, 2021, 03:48:10 PM »

It really seems like they're going to do everything they can to release accurate numbers. Thank God.
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« Reply #1307 on: February 03, 2021, 09:54:23 PM »
« Edited: February 05, 2021, 07:28:12 PM by Kevinstat »

Since it wasn't specifically posted here yet, I figured I'd post all the states in each week in 2011.  I'm going by week rather than date as with the dates I wonder whether I should use the date the coming data for the states was announced (that's what jimrtex used in his post on Saturday morning), the date the data is delivered to the states or the date it's made public.

2011 Release Week 1: LA, MS, NJ, VA
2011 Release Week 2: AR, IA, IN, MD, VT
2011 Release Week 3: IL, OK, SD, TX
2011 Release Week 4: AL, CO, HI, MO, NV, OR, UT, WA
2011 Release Week 5: DE, KS, NC, NE, WY
2011 Release Week 6: AZ, CA, CT, ID, OH, PA, WI
2011 Release Week 7: AK, FL, GA, KY, MN, MT, ND, NM, TN
2011 Release Week 8: MA, ME, MI, NH, NY, RI, SC, WV, DC, PR

2021 Geography Release (Week) 1 (Posted on 01/19/2021): AR, CO, MD, NJ, VA
2021 Geography Release (Week) 2 (Posted on 01/26/2021): CA, IA, IN, LA, MO, NC, NY, OH, OR
2021 Geography (Week) 3 (Posted on 02/02/2021): DE, HI, ME, MS, NE, NV, PA, SD, WA, WI
2021 Geography Release (Week) 4 (Posting on 02/09/2021): AK, AL, AZ, CT, FL, ID, IL, KS, MA, MN, MT, ND, NH, NM, OK, SC, TN, TX, UT, WV
2021 Geography Release (Week) 5 (Posting on 02/17/2021): GA, KY, MI, RI, VT, WY, DC, PR

2021 Geo Release (Week) 1 (5 States): Weeks 1, 1, 2, 2, 4 (Mean Week 2.0; Median Week 2) in 2011
2021 Geo Release (Week) 2 (9 States): Weeks 1, 2, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 8 (Mean Week 4.2; Median Week 4) in 2011
2021 Geo Release (Week) 3 (10 States): Weeks 1, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 8 (Mean Week 4.6; Median Week {4, 5}) in 2011
2021 Geo Release (Week) 4 (20 States): Weeks 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8 (Mean Week 6.05; Median Week 7) in 2011
2021 Geo Release (Week) 5 (8 States or State Equivalents): Weeks 2, 5, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8 (Mean Week 6.6; Median Week {7, 8}) in 2011

2011 Release Week 1 (4 States): Weeks 1, 1, 2, 3 (Mean Week 1.75; Median Week {1, 2}) for 2021 Geo
2011 Release Week 2 (5 States): Weeks 1, 1, 2, 2, 5 (Mean Week 2.2; Median Week 2) for 2021 Geo
2011 Release Week 3 (4 States): Weeks 3, 4, 4, 4 (Mean Week 3.75; Median Week 4) for 2021 Geo
2011 Release Week 4 (8 States): Weeks 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4 (Mean Week 2.75; Median Week 3) for 2021 Geo
2011 Release Week 5 (5 States): Weeks 2, 3, 3, 4, 5 (Mean Week 3.4; Median Week 3) for 2021 Geo
2011 Release Week 6 (7 States): Weeks 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4 (Mean Week 3.1; Median Week 3) for 2021 Geo
2011 Release Week 7 (9 States): Weeks 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5 (Mean Week 4.2; Median Week 4) for 2021 Geo
2011 Release Week 8 (10 States or State Equivalents): Weeks 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5 (Mean Week 4.1; Median Week 4) for 2021 Geo
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« Reply #1308 on: February 05, 2021, 08:05:05 PM »

Census moved up the final 8 (which include DC & PR) to next Friday. So we should have all the 2020PL shps by the end of next week.
Time to update my earlier comparison.  I'll note the the three different groups of states which were announced would be released next week (the last group still having a later scheduled release date than the other two).  I guess I won't worry about the weeks anymore for this year's release of census geography, but I'll keep the weekly grouping for 2011 since the states in those groupings were pretty close together, like in one case how the coming Vermont data was announced the day after four other states.  I've rounded all my figures to the nearest 0.1 unless it was exactly #.#5, where I decided not to round either way here.

2011 Release Week 1: LA, MS, NJ, VA
2011 Release Week 2: AR, IA, IN, MD, VT
2011 Release Week 3: IL, OK, SD, TX
2011 Release Week 4: AL, CO, HI, MO, NV, OR, UT, WA
2011 Release Week 5: DE, KS, NC, NE, WY
2011 Release Week 6: AZ, CA, CT, ID, OH, PA, WI
2011 Release Week 7: AK, FL, GA, KY, MN, MT, ND, NM, TN
2011 Release Week 8: MA, ME, MI, NH, NY, RI, SC, WV, DC, PR

2021 Geography Release 1 (Posted on 01/19/2021): AR, CO, MD, NJ, VA
2021 Geography Release 2 (Posted on 01/26/2021): CA, IA, IN, LA, MO, NC, NY, OH, OR
2021 Geography Release 3 (Posted on 02/02/2021): DE, HI, ME, MS, NE, NV, PA, SD, WA, WI
2021 Geography Release "4A" (the original Release 4) (Posting on 02/09/2021 (announced last week)): AK, AL, AZ, CT, IL, MA, MN, MT, OK, TX
2021 Geography Release "4B" (presumably originally Release 5) (Posting on 02/09/2021 (announced this week)): FL, ID, KS, ND, NH, NM, SC, TN, UT, WV
2021 Geography Release 5 (presumably originally Release 5) (Posting on 02/12/2021 (moved up from 02/17/2021)): GA, KY, MI, RI, VT, WY, DC, PR

2021 Geo Release 1 (5 States): Weeks 1, 1, 2, 2, 4 in 2011 (Mean Week 2.0; Median Week 2)
2021 Geo Release 2 (9 States): Weeks 1, 2, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 8 in 2011 (Mean Week 4.2; Median Week 4)
2021 Geo Release 3 (10 States): Weeks 1, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 8 in 2011 (Mean Week 4.6; Median Week {4, 5})
2021 Geo Release 4A (10 States): Weeks 3, 3, 3, 4, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8 in 2011 (Mean Week 5.4; Median Week 6)
2021 Geo Release 5 4B (10 States): Weeks 4, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8 in 2011 (Mean Week 6.7; Median Week 6)
(2021 Geo Release 4 overall: Mean Week 6.05; Median Week 7)
2021 Geo Release 6 5 (8 States or State Equivalents): Weeks 2, 5, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8 in 2011 (Mean Week 6.6; Median Week {7, 8})

2011 Release Week 1 (4 States): Releases 1, 1, 2, 3 for 2021 Geo (Mean Release 1.75; Median Release {1, 2})
2011 Release Week 2 (5 States): Releases 1, 1, 2, 2, 5 for 2021 Geo (Mean Release 2.2; Median Release 2)
2011 Release Week 3 (4 States): Releases 3, 4, 4, 4 4A, 4A, 4A for 2021 Geo (Mean Release 3.75; Median Release 4A)
2011 Release Week 4 (8 States): Releases 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 4A, 4B for 2021 Geo (Mean Release 2.9 2.75; Median Release 3)
2011 Release Week 5 (5 States): Releases 2, 3, 3, 5, 6 4B, 5 for 2021 Geo (Mean Release 3.8 3.4; Median Release 3)
2011 Release Week 6 (7 States): Releases 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5 4A, 4A, 4B for 2021 Geo (Mean Release 3.3 3.1; Median Release 3)
2011 Release Week 7 (9 States): Releases 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6 4A, 4A, 4A, 4B, 4B, 4B, 4B, 5, 5 for 2021 Geo (Mean Release 4.9 4.2; Median Release 5 4B)
2011 Release Week 8 (10 States or State Equivalents): Releases 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6 4A, 4B, 4B, 4B, 5, 5, 5, 5 for 2021 Geo (Mean Release 4.8 4.1; Median Release 5 4B)
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« Reply #1309 on: February 12, 2021, 10:35:41 AM »

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« Reply #1310 on: February 12, 2021, 01:48:32 PM »
« Edited: February 12, 2021, 02:15:46 PM by NY-22 Lincoln Project Voter for Brindisi »



This may be a stupid question, but is there any chance that all or part of the census is rerun if the data is bad? Assuming they blow through the redistricting/reapportionment deadline for 2022 anyway I think it’s worth considering. There is precedent for this, in 1871 the census in New York City, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis was redone due to flaws with the 1870 count.
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« Reply #1311 on: February 12, 2021, 01:56:42 PM »

This may be a stupid question, but is there any chance that all of part of the census is rerun if the data is bad? Assuming they blow through the redistricting/reapportionment deadline for 2022 anyway I think it’s worth considering. There is precedent for this, in 1871 the census in New York City, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis was redone due to flaws with the 1870 count.

The data isn't bad, it may even be better than some previous censi (especially the 1990 one, which was pretty bad).

The thing is only that the processing is delayed, because data collection ended 3-4 months later than usual.
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« Reply #1312 on: February 13, 2021, 03:13:10 AM »

This may be a stupid question, but is there any chance that all or part of the census is rerun if the data is bad?

I think we could even argue that the 2020 census data quality is a more accurate picture of where the population resides at the time of the census compared for example with the 2000 census data.

In 2000, during a time of high economic growth, people tended to move fast around the country. So, if they were counted in MI during the census 2000, there could have been a lot more people than in 2020 who moved to AZ or TX right after the 2000 census in 2001 for example. Making the data for MI and AZ (and all other states) more out of date than the 2020 data.

Last year, population growth and immigration was far lower than around the years 1990-2007, during decades with high population growth levels.

The picture is more stable than the 2 decades before.

And even the argument that the 2020 census doesn't reflect COVID-deaths is not a relevant argument: There were ca. 200.000 deaths from COVID during the March-October period of data collection, which was outweighed by more births during this period. 200k people is a lot in the sense of personal loss and tragedy, but for a country of 335 million and census-wise, "not that much".
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« Reply #1313 on: February 14, 2021, 02:03:29 PM »

This may be a stupid question, but is there any chance that all of part of the census is rerun if the data is bad? Assuming they blow through the redistricting/reapportionment deadline for 2022 anyway I think it’s worth considering. There is precedent for this, in 1871 the census in New York City, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis was redone due to flaws with the 1870 count.

The data isn't bad, it may even be better than some previous censi (especially the 1990 one, which was pretty bad).

The thing is only that the processing is delayed, because data collection ended 3-4 months later than usual.
There must be some other problems. Data collection was delayed by about 2-1/2 months, but the data will be delayed by up to 6 months.

I think they are worried about the large number of non-responses where people skipped over questions. The Census Bureau is recruiting enumerators for their post-enumeration survey, where they go back and actually interview a sample of respondents.
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« Reply #1314 on: February 14, 2021, 02:05:14 PM »



This may be a stupid question, but is there any chance that all or part of the census is rerun if the data is bad? Assuming they blow through the redistricting/reapportionment deadline for 2022 anyway I think it’s worth considering. There is precedent for this, in 1871 the census in New York City, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis was redone due to flaws with the 1870 count.
This would take action by Congress.

You should be able to infer an answer from that.
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« Reply #1315 on: February 15, 2021, 08:57:25 AM »

This may be a stupid question, but is there any chance that all of part of the census is rerun if the data is bad? Assuming they blow through the redistricting/reapportionment deadline for 2022 anyway I think it’s worth considering. There is precedent for this, in 1871 the census in New York City, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis was redone due to flaws with the 1870 count.

The data isn't bad, it may even be better than some previous censi (especially the 1990 one, which was pretty bad).

The thing is only that the processing is delayed, because data collection ended 3-4 months later than usual.
There must be some other problems. Data collection was delayed by about 2-1/2 months, but the data will be delayed by up to 6 months.

I think they are worried about the large number of non-responses where people skipped over questions. The Census Bureau is recruiting enumerators for their post-enumeration survey, where they go back and actually interview a sample of respondents.

Data collection was delayed more by 3-4 months, compared to 2000 and 2010.

Usually, 99% of responses were in at the end of June.

Last year, it ended in mid- to late October !

Therefore, April 2021 is ok for the release - given the Christmas holidays and the problems you and I mentioned. Such as more and more people skipping the race question because of heated political climate or hundreds of students accidentally being dumped into one dormitory ...
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« Reply #1316 on: February 15, 2021, 10:48:04 AM »

Reapportionment is supposed to happen once every 10 years, but it would be perfectly possible to use the existing districts for the first two years of the decade, so that the reapportionment can be done for eight years instead of the normal ten. Historically there was a whole decade when Congress did not manage to provide for the reapportionment to take place.
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« Reply #1317 on: February 15, 2021, 12:13:25 PM »

Reapportionment is supposed to happen once every 10 years, but it would be perfectly possible to use the existing districts for the first two years of the decade, so that the reapportionment can be done for eight years instead of the normal ten. Historically there was a whole decade when Congress did not manage to provide for the reapportionment to take place.

Reapportionment and redistricting are 2 different things:

Reappointment numbers (How many CDs and therefore EV a state gets), are out no later than April 30 under current plans. If they figure out how to solve their minor processing problems, maybe a bit earlier.

The redistricting data (how a state draws its CDs) is out no later than Sept. 30 - which doesn’t necessarily mean it will be released on the last day. If they figure out their reapportionment data problems, it could go relatively quickly with the redistricting data. More like a June, July or August release.

People and states should just be patient and more flexible !

Schedule special redistricting sessions once the data is out, move the filing deadlines and primaries to later dates.

Or already set up their databases/software for redistricting already now, so they can immediately feed it with the new data once it’s out.
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« Reply #1318 on: February 28, 2021, 01:00:04 AM »

Republican OH sues the Census Bureau, because they are too lazy to re-schedule their redistricting process (like other non-lazy states do):

Ohio sues Census Bureau over new redistricting deadline

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Ohio sued the U.S. Census Bureau on Thursday over its decision to delay the release of redistricting data by six months.

The delay will cause “irreparable harms” to Ohio as it faces its own state-mandated deadlines for congressional and state legislative districts, which are drawn up using census data, Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost (R) said in a suit filed in the Southern District of Ohio.

The lawsuit seeks to force the bureau to release the data by its original March 31 deadline, or at least sooner than Sept. 30, the date the bureau has said it will release the numbers. The bureau plans to release redistricting data from the 2020 decennial count all at once, unlike in past census years when data for different states was rolled out on different dates.

In a news release, Yost’s office called the March 31 date “critically important for states to make informed decisions for their constituents . . . a postponement until September means that the Ohio Redistricting Commission will be unable to use the data in the 2021 redistricting process.”

Stating that “laws cannot be arbitrarily changed by administrative fiat,” Yost added, “Even if it’s inconvenient, the Census Bureau must do its job.”

The bureau has said that delays in the collection and processing of census data were unavoidable due to the pandemic.

The Trump administration nevertheless pushed the bureau to stick to statutory deadlines and deliver state population counts and apportion House seats before the change of administration, sparking multiple lawsuits. Ultimately, anomalies discovered during data processing made that impossible, bureau officials said.

State total population counts won’t be released until April 30, four months after its original deadline. As such, Ohio’s request for the more detailed redistricting data a month earlier is “disingenuous,” said Terri Ann Lowenthal, former staff director of the House census oversight subcommittee.

“The Census Bureau has been diligent in keeping state officials informed about delays in processing and tabulating the data for apportionment and redistricting,” Lowenthal said, adding, “Many states have taken steps to modify their timelines.”

The National Conference of State Legislatures last month recommended solutions for states such as Ohio that face either a statutory or constitutional deadline for drawing their legislative or congressional districts, or both.

None of the recommendations included suing the bureau to release data earlier than it had planned.

Thomas Wolf, senior counsel and Spitzer fellow with the Brennan Center’s Democracy Program, said, “The bureau needs the full time in order to ensure that the data is full, fair, and accurate, both for the apportionment and the redistricting. ... It should be allowed to proceed.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/ohio-sues-census-bureau-over-new-redistricting-deadline/2021/02/25/8ed9b5bc-779d-11eb-948d-19472e683521_story.html
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« Reply #1319 on: March 01, 2021, 10:21:44 AM »

Is this thread the thread that will be used to post the inevitable 2020 census results, or will there be a separate thread specifically for those?
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« Reply #1320 on: March 01, 2021, 12:04:41 PM »

Is this thread the thread that will be used to post the inevitable 2020 census results, or will there be a separate thread specifically for those?

If you haven’t seen this board yet, it’s what you want:

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?board=34.0
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« Reply #1321 on: March 01, 2021, 12:25:22 PM »

Is this thread the thread that will be used to post the inevitable 2020 census results, or will there be a separate thread specifically for those?

You can post them here or in the Demographics board.

Eventually, they will show up in both anyway.
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« Reply #1322 on: March 02, 2021, 04:45:02 PM »

Republican OH sues the Census Bureau, because they are too lazy to re-schedule their redistricting process (like other non-lazy states do)
Here is the complaint.

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Files/Briefing-Room/News-Releases/Activity-in-Case-321-cv-00064-TMR-State-Of-Ohio-v.aspx

The Census Bureau is in violation of federal statute. Ohio would have to amend its Constitution or use an alternate data source. The Census Bureau has not explained why they plan to dump all the data at the last moment.

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« Reply #1323 on: March 02, 2021, 08:54:35 PM »

The Census Bureau has a constitutional mandate to produce accurate population numbers. This constitutional mandate supersedes any statutory regulation. The law can't force the Census Bureau to produce inaccurate numbers, that would be blatantly unconstitutional.
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« Reply #1324 on: March 03, 2021, 09:30:34 AM »

Republican OH sues the Census Bureau, because they are too lazy to re-schedule their redistricting process (like other non-lazy states do)
Here is the complaint.

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Files/Briefing-Room/News-Releases/Activity-in-Case-321-cv-00064-TMR-State-Of-Ohio-v.aspx

The Census Bureau is in violation of federal statute. Ohio would have to amend its Constitution or use an alternate data source. The Census Bureau has not explained why they plan to dump all the data at the last moment.



On the Feb conference call to the National Conference of State Legislatures, the CB described in detail the advantages and disadvantages of a staggered release and a single-day release. The advantage of the single day release is it provided the most accurate numbers for all states on the earliest date. A staggered release might provide some states earlier data, but other states would be significantly later due to their methods to cross check data for consistency. I was on the call and I believe OH was on the call, too.
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