Progressive News Media (Guardian Article !) are going hard after Beto's record !

[Pyro]

The question I’d like to ask is where was the criticism of O’Rourke when he was running against Cruz? The excuse definitely can’t be “it was different.”

Actual Human Being > Ted Cruz.
Progressive > New Dem.

Is it possible to support a candidate in a senate race and then disagree that they should serve as president?

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

You did? Didn’t your signature used to say you were a proud Jill Stein voter in a swing state?

It was a joke lmao

So you think that handing the election to Donald Trump is just a funny joke?

Something we should all laugh about? Ha ha?

[AudmanOut]

You did? Didn’t your signature used to say you were a proud Jill Stein voter in a swing state?

It was a joke lmao

So you think that handing the election to Donald Trump is just a funny joke?

Something we should all laugh about? Ha ha?

What do you expect? Some people are going to complain the Democrat isn’t liberal enough for them until we have someone from the young Turks as the democratic nominee. And even then it will be too conservative for some people!

[Joey1996]

You did? Didn’t your signature used to say you were a proud Jill Stein voter in a swing state?

It was a joke lmao

So you think that handing the election to Donald Trump is just a funny joke?

Something we should all laugh about? Ha ha?

Yes, I think it's hilarious that fearmongers blame Jill Stein voters for Hillary Clinton's loss.

[Landslide Lyndon]

The question I’d like to ask is where was the criticism of O’Rourke when he was running against Cruz? The excuse definitely can’t be “it was different.”

It makes a lot more sense to place potential candidates under scrutiny in a presidential primary season since Democrats still have the discretion of selecting their nominee, as opposed to a Senate race, where the Dems in Texas were pretty much stuck with what they got. The stakes are much higher at the presidential level. Y'all got one shot to fix the mistakes seen in 2016, and frankly, a lot of us don't want to seen those mistakes be repeated. Would that make sense to you?

The biggest mistake in 2016 is letting Saint Bernie piggyback on the Democratic party's label and infrastructure only for him to trash the party he supposedly wanted to lead.

[Zaybay]

The question I’d like to ask is where was the criticism of O’Rourke when he was running against Cruz? The excuse definitely can’t be “it was different.”

It makes a lot more sense to place potential candidates under scrutiny in a presidential primary season since Democrats still have the discretion of selecting their nominee, as opposed to a Senate race, where the Dems in Texas were pretty much stuck with what they got. The stakes are much higher at the presidential level. Y'all got one shot to fix the mistakes seen in 2016, and frankly, a lot of us don't want to seen those mistakes be repeated. Would that make sense to you?

The biggest mistake in 2016 is letting Saint Bernie piggyback on the Democratic party's label and infrastructure only for him to trash the party he supposedly wanted to lead.

LOL

[TML]

The question I’d like to ask is where was the criticism of O’Rourke when he was running against Cruz? The excuse definitely can’t be “it was different.”

Actual Human Being > Ted Cruz.
Progressive > New Dem.

Is it possible to support a candidate in a senate race and then disagree that they should serve as president?

Of course. The higher up the office the higher the standards should be.

I would be fine supporting Beto in his current form if he were running for House, Senate, and/or Governor. The presidency is a different animal.

[Pericles]

Beto would be acceptable as the Democratic nominee, but there are plenty of better options. Democrats shouldn't settle for less, especially as it is increasingly clear centrism is not more electable.

[henster]

Beto would be acceptable as the Democratic nominee, but there are plenty of better options. Democrats shouldn't settle for less, especially as it is increasingly clear centrism is not more electable.

Centrist literally are the only reason we have the House right now. Remember not a single Justice Democrat flipped a swing seat not one.

[Zaybay]

Beto would be acceptable as the Democratic nominee, but there are plenty of better options. Democrats shouldn't settle for less, especially as it is increasingly clear centrism is not more electable.

Centrist literally are the only reason we have the House right now. Remember not a single Justice Democrat flipped a swing seat not one.

We dont have the house thanks to centrists, considering the centrists of the Democratic Party, the Blue Dogs, are still at a rather larger deficit(24 seats) when compared to the Liberal New Democrats(89 seats) and the Progressive CPC(96 seats). Hell, if the Blue Dogs all jumped ship and joined the Republicans, they would have the majority....by 7 seats, compared to 2006/2008, where the Blue Dogs had 60 seats and could give the GOP a large majority.

It also doesnt help your argument that the JDs literally only had 2 candidates in swing seats, Kara Eastman, and Ammar Campa-Najjar, so really, one candidate, and that candidate was trianged by the DNC because they thought the race would be R guaranteed(it wasnt).

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The question I’d like to ask is where was the criticism of O’Rourke when he was running against Cruz? The excuse definitely can’t be “it was different.”

While he should have been held to Ralph Yarborough standards, progressives were willing to overlook things in a statewide Texas race against Cruz.

[Technocracy Timmy]

You did? Didn’t your signature used to say you were a proud Jill Stein voter in a swing state?

It was a joke lmao

[Wikipedia delenda est]

The ad hominems against the author are tiresome. I couldn't care less who wrote the article. We should judge the article based on its merits and decide whether what it has to say matters to us or not. As long as what it says is true, it's not "slander." And it's ironic how the Beto supporters are acting like their man is immune to criticism while accusing Bernie supporters of treating Sanders like a "Saint."

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

Nice try but I voted for Clinton.

You did? Didn’t your signature used to say you were a proud Jill Stein voter in a swing state?

It was a joke lmao

This is how I too respond when I get viciously owned on the internet.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

The question I’d like to ask is where was the criticism of O’Rourke when he was running against Cruz? The excuse definitely can’t be “it was different.”

This is the stupidest take yet. I would expect the Democratic nominee for President to have a more left wing record than a candidate running in effing Texas. It's appropriate that scrutiny has increased as he runs for a bigger office.

[Zaybay]

The ad hominems against the author are tiresome. I couldn't care less who wrote the article. We should judge the article based on its merits and decide whether what it has to say matters to us or not. As long as what it says is true, it's not "slander." And it's ironic how the Beto supporters are acting like their man is immune to criticism while accusing Bernie supporters of treating Sanders like a "Saint."

[YE]

The ad hominems against the author are tiresome. I couldn't care less who wrote the article. We should judge the article based on its merits and decide whether what it has to say matters to us or not. As long as what it says is true, it's not "slander." And it's ironic how the Beto supporters are acting like their man is immune to criticism while accusing Bernie supporters of treating Sanders like a "Saint."

[OneJ]

The question I’d like to ask is where was the criticism of O’Rourke when he was running against Cruz? The excuse definitely can’t be “it was different.”

This is the stupidest take yet. I would expect the Democratic nominee for President to have a more left wing record than a candidate running in effing Texas. It's appropriate that scrutiny has increased as he runs for a bigger office.

Wow. So classy.

I mean I didn’t think of it that way, but it’s a decent point I would say like the others who

[Rookie Yinzer]

He supports Medicare for All and will inspire low information voters to get off their ass. I’m probably voting for him in the primary.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

He supports Medicare for All and will inspire low information voters to get off their ass. I’m probably voting for him in the primary.

He's rated 95% by the League of Conservation voters, which is a big plus for me. He's rated 95% by the AFL-CIO and other labor unions. He favors the legalization of marijuana. He firmly supports the right to choose and LGBT people in our fight for equality. He supports Medicare for All and opposed the US move of our embassy to Jerusalem (even as someone who supports Israel, I thought it was needlessly provocative.)

Stop trying to claim he isn't a progressive, it isn't working. (Everyone in this thread, not you RFK)

[Intell]

He supports Medicare for All and will inspire low information voters to get off their ass. I’m probably voting for him in the primary.

He's rated 95% by the League of Conservation voters, which is a big plus for me. He's rated 95% by the AFL-CIO and other labor unions. He favors the legalization of marijuana. He firmly supports the right to choose and LGBT people in our fight for equality. He supports Medicare for All and opposed the US move of our embassy to Jerusalem (even as someone who supports Israel, I thought it was needlessly provocative.)

Stop trying to claim he isn't a progressive, it isn't working. (Everyone in this thread, not you RFK)

That's why he doesn't know if he's a progressive and was a part of the new democrats? Does he think its the 1990's?

Nah let's not go into what the article says because the establishment needs a candidate that talks but doesn't act (Obama)

[James Monroe]

While I'm against a white man leading the Democratic ticket, Beto has credentials that can make him a formidable opponent against Donald Trump. The weakness of his don't compare to Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, two geriatric white men who are plainly mediocre and don't give out any change to the country direction. That's why I think the next nominee would have to be Senator Harris. Kamala has a plan for the future that is comprehensible and sensible to our nation health. She's everything the party base would want in a candidate, yet she's getting more hatred by the Brosocialists then Beto, who less liberal then her.


Purity politics are a disease, and we should nominated someone who won't continue on with this hateful rhetoric.


David Sirota should just go on Russia Today and host their newscast.

[Joey1996]

Nice try but I voted for Clinton.

You did? Didn’t your signature used to say you were a proud Jill Stein voter in a swing state?

It was a joke lmao

This is how I too respond when I get viciously owned on the internet.

Come on give me a break. I indirectly announced I was voting for Clinton, was genuinely surprised when Trump was winning early on and even joined in on the anti-Sandernista "Bernie can still win" meme

[Shadows]

He supports Medicare for All and will inspire low information voters to get off their ass. I’m probably voting for him in the primary.

He's rated 95% by the League of Conservation voters, which is a big plus for me. He's rated 95% by the AFL-CIO and other labor unions. He favors the legalization of marijuana. He firmly supports the right to choose and LGBT people in our fight for equality. He supports Medicare for All and opposed the US move of our embassy to Jerusalem (even as someone who supports Israel, I thought it was needlessly provocative.)

Stop trying to claim he isn't a progressive, it isn't working. (Everyone in this thread, not you RFK)

He is not a progressive. He is a New Democrat & is a part of that caucus. This 90% stuff is BS & Hillary & Bernie had like 90% common votes. Beto himself declines to call himself a progressive.

HE is A Wall Street Democrat who voted to weaken Dodd Frank & for the big banks, voted to advance TPP, for more oil drilling & so on. This is in a 6 year duration where he had to take few tough votes so you add to the fact that he is not qualified. He didn't co-sponsor Medicare for all or Free College while he was in the house.

I would give credit where it is due. Neera Tanden & the moderates have taken a shiny unqualified toy, tried to put on a progressive label & are using it to divide the progressive vote & hand over the primary to the centrist.

[Shadows]

You did? Didn’t your signature used to say you were a proud Jill Stein voter in a swing state?

It was a joke lmao

So you think that handing the election to Donald Trump is just a funny joke?

Something we should all laugh about? Ha ha?

Yes, I think it's hilarious that fearmongers blame Jill Stein voters for Hillary Clinton's loss.

While Stein was a mediocre candidate at best, Hillary Clinton primary voters should take responsibility for helping electing Trump.

They had Bernie, an incredible candidate, hugely popular with a record grassroots campaign with great policy ideas & that had a corrupt fake inauthentic slimy politician with a terrible record, no charisma who was doing ball consistently in favorability & in head to head polls vs Trump.

And they went for Hillary anyways, this corrupt unelectable candidate. And now there's Got such, Kavanaugh, Trillion $ deficits & so on. The Supreme  Court is lost for a generation.

If anything Neera Tanden & some of the Hillary hacks should keep their mouth shut our of shame.