Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

It's really annoying (yet completely unsurprising) to see the pundits act as if Biden waiting is some "Dems in Disarray" narrative, when in fact the entire time it was always likely to be announced in the run-up to the convention

They have nothing else to talk about.

I mean, they could talk about Mr. Trump's continuing violations of his oath of office, conflicts of interest, constant transparent lies, idiocy and total incompetence. Or the total moral bankruptcy of the Republican party supporting it. But that wouldn't give them a horse-race to comment on for another three months.

[dunceDude]

What does Kamala even add to the ticket? Maybe some slightly increased turnout in California? A half-black woman from California isn’t gonna increase turnout amongst southern and Rust Belt blacks as much as some people here act like it would (which is kinda patronizing and racist tbh). Biden already appeals enough to moderates, and progressives aren’t big fans of Kamala. She isn’t even a good debater. If Biden wants to increase turnout amongst blacks in some swing states, then Bottoms would be a much more logical choice since Georgia is a toss up state.

Go back 15-30 pages and start reading. This has been litigated to death.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Amzi Qureshi, a Muslim American Warren supporter, has done a remarkable 800-tweet thread on the work she's done on racial justice and for other marginalized groups:

https://twitter.com/AmziQureshi/status/1290000645118783488?s=20

This tweet thread is absurd. She was a Republican until she was in her 60’s. I’m glad she made some nice speeches and said Black Lives Matter at a forum but to proclaim she’s done more for racial justice than almost any other politician is laughable.

You’re arguing a semantic. Yeah, maybe not “more than any other politician” but she’s def done a lot.

[BidenHarris2020]

Amzi Qureshi, a Muslim American Warren supporter, has done a remarkable 800-tweet thread on the work she's done on racial justice and for other marginalized groups:

https://twitter.com/AmziQureshi/status/1290000645118783488?s=20

This tweet thread is absurd. She was a Republican until she was in her 60’s. I’m glad she made some nice speeches and said Black Lives Matter at a forum but to proclaim she’s done more for racial justice than almost any other politician is laughable.

"Racial Justice Warrior" lmaooo these yt feminists are something else.
https://twitter.com/llerer/status/1289974124186685440?s=19

[Da2017]

I think we can safely say Bass is out.

[brucejoel99]

Warren was the first major politician to say Black Lives Matter, & gave an unprecedented, impassioned speech on the Senate floor to that effect in support of the movement 5 years before it was the 'popular' or 'mainstream' thing to do.

Going back over 2 decades to when she was a scholar, she spoke out for civil rights (though, of course, it took a while for a white woman from rural Oklahoma to get to that point); supported busing, even back then (Harris still doesn't support it, despite her being lauded for those hypocritical attacks against Biden); opposed that bankruptcy bill - even when many in the CBC supported it - & testified to the Senate multiple times arguing why it'd disproportionately harm women & POC, not to mention the arguments against it that she directly provided to Bill & Hillary Clinton in the '90s; & spearheaded the CFPB, which has returned billions to scammed consumers (many of whom are disproportionately largely Black & Brown) & fought for the cancellation of Corinthian student debt (which also disproportionately affected Black & Brown students).

These aren't just "some nice speeches." This isn't worthy of an "lmaooo." These are long-held, morally correct stances on racial inequality & injustice. Anybody arguing anything else is being disingenuous at best & downright misleading at worst.

[BidenHarris2020]

The idea that a white woman is better suited to addressing/supporting racial Justice issues than a black woman is LAUGHABLE at best. No matter how many times Liz tries to shapeshift/tick boxes on a form. Lived experience MATTERS.

[Holmes]

The idea that a white woman is better suited to addressing/supporting racial Justice issues than a black woman is LAUGHABLE at best. No matter how many times Liz tries to shapeshift/tick boxes on a form. Lived experience MATTERS.

You don't need to tear others down to make a point.

[brucejoel99]

Warren was the first major politician to say Black Lives Matter, & gave an unprecedented, impassioned speech on the Senate floor to that effect in support of the movement 5 years before it was the 'popular' or 'mainstream' thing to do.

Going back over 2 decades to when she was a scholar, she spoke out for civil rights (though, of course, it took a while for a white woman from rural Oklahoma to get to that point); supported busing, even back then (Harris still doesn't support it, despite her being lauded for those hypocritical attacks against Biden); opposed that bankruptcy bill - even when many in the CBC supported it - & testified to the Senate multiple times arguing why it'd disproportionately harm women & POC, not to mention the arguments against it that she directly provided to Bill & Hillary Clinton in the '90s; & spearheaded the CFPB, which has returned billions to scammed consumers (many of whom are disproportionately largely Black & Brown) & fought for the cancellation of Corinthian student debt (which also disproportionately affected Black & Brown students).

These aren't just "some nice speeches." This isn't worthy of an "lmaooo." These are long-held, morally correct stances on racial inequality & injustice. Anybody arguing anything else is being disingenuous at best & downright misleading at worst.

The idea that a white woman is better suited to addressing/supporting racial Justice issues than a black woman is LAUGHABLE at best. No matter how many times Liz tries to shapeshift/tick boxes on a form. Lived experience MATTERS.

[BidenHarris2020]

The idea that a white woman is better suited to addressing/supporting racial Justice issues than a black woman is LAUGHABLE at best. No matter how many times Liz tries to shapeshift/tick boxes on a form. Lived experience MATTERS.

You don't need to tear others down to make a point.

I'm not tearing her down, I'm simply stating a fact.

[StateBoiler]

It's really annoying (yet completely unsurprising) to see the pundits act as if Biden waiting is some "Dems in Disarray" narrative, when in fact the entire time it was always likely to be announced in the run-up to the convention

They have nothing else to talk about.

I mean, they could talk about Mr. Trump's continuing violations of his oath of office, conflicts of interest, constant transparent lies, idiocy and total incompetence. Or the total moral bankruptcy of the Republican party supporting it. But that wouldn't give them a horse-race to comment on for another three months.

What horse race? This election is the clearest "it's over" since '96.


To recent posts on the thread, I feel people that are being paid or are a committed volunteer to a particular political campaign should be required to publicize that fact.

[American2020]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1290314275974721536

[Use Your Illusion]

There's STILL 11 women in the mix? Jesus.... This nomination stopped being about the best possible candidate a very long time ago. And this is why I'm frustrated

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Amzi Qureshi, a Muslim American Warren supporter, has done a remarkable 800-tweet thread on the work she's done on racial justice and for other marginalized groups:

https://twitter.com/AmziQureshi/status/1290000645118783488?s=20

This tweet thread is absurd. She was a Republican until she was in her 60’s. I’m glad she made some nice speeches and said Black Lives Matter at a forum but to proclaim she’s done more for racial justice than almost any other politician is laughable.

Good to know that there's a cut off for doing work that helps people. If you're a Republican into your 60's, you can't change and do good work for the black community. A lot of people had political revelations around the time she did, and hers was specifically in response to the research she was doing in her field, but nah she came across that too late so it doesn't count.

[BidenHarris2020]

Amzi Qureshi, a Muslim American Warren supporter, has done a remarkable 800-tweet thread on the work she's done on racial justice and for other marginalized groups:

https://twitter.com/AmziQureshi/status/1290000645118783488?s=20

This tweet thread is absurd. She was a Republican until she was in her 60’s. I’m glad she made some nice speeches and said Black Lives Matter at a forum but to proclaim she’s done more for racial justice than almost any other politician is laughable.

Good to know that there's a cut off for doing work that helps people. If you're a Republican into your 60's, you can't change and do good work for the black community. A lot of people had political revelations around the time she did, and hers was specifically in response to the research she was doing in her field, but nah she came across that too late so it doesn't count.

Opportunism. Window dressing. We see it all the time with Demcorats with senatorial/presidential ambitions. The touring of the black churches, attending that one Sunday service in Ebenezer, etc. We see right through it.

[South Dakota Democrat]

Warren was the first major politician to say Black Lives Matter, & gave an unprecedented, impassioned speech on the Senate floor to that effect in support of the movement 5 years before it was the 'popular' or 'mainstream' thing to do.

Going back over 2 decades to when she was a scholar, she spoke out for civil rights (though, of course, it took a while for a white woman from rural Oklahoma to get to that point); supported busing, even back then (Harris still doesn't support it, despite her being lauded for those hypocritical attacks against Biden); opposed that bankruptcy bill - even when many in the CBC supported it - & testified to the Senate multiple times arguing why it'd disproportionately harm women & POC, not to mention the arguments against it that she directly provided to Bill & Hillary Clinton in the '90s; & spearheaded the CFPB, which has returned billions to scammed consumers (many of whom are disproportionately largely Black & Brown) & fought for the cancellation of Corinthian student debt (which also disproportionately affected Black & Brown students).

These aren't just "some nice speeches." This isn't worthy of an "lmaooo." These are long-held, morally correct stances on racial inequality & injustice. Anybody arguing anything else is being disingenuous at best & downright misleading at worst.

This.

[brucejoel99]

Amzi Qureshi, a Muslim American Warren supporter, has done a remarkable 800-tweet thread on the work she's done on racial justice and for other marginalized groups:

https://twitter.com/AmziQureshi/status/1290000645118783488?s=20

This tweet thread is absurd. She was a Republican until she was in her 60’s. I’m glad she made some nice speeches and said Black Lives Matter at a forum but to proclaim she’s done more for racial justice than almost any other politician is laughable.

Good to know that there's a cut off for doing work that helps people. If you're a Republican into your 60's, you can't change and do good work for the black community. A lot of people had political revelations around the time she did, and hers was specifically in response to the research she was doing in her field, but nah she came across that too late so it doesn't count.

Opportunism. Window dressing. We see it all the time with Demcorats with senatorial/presidential ambitions. The touring of the black churches, attending that one Sunday service in Ebenezer, etc. We see right through it.

Imagine implying that she "opportunistically" took the correct stance on busing in 1975, when that was so politically toxic that most Democrats (let alone Republicans) wouldn't dare touch it.

If anything, what's opportunistic is a certain potential running mate changing their entire criminal justice platform as a 'progressive' Senator running for the White House compared to what they did as an executive within the system (e.g., declining to support legislation that would've mandated that all police officers wear body cameras & that the AG's office investigate lethal officer-involved shootings, championing a law that went after the parents of chronically truant children, laughing when asked if marijuana should be legal, & supporting a system that locks up people who are too poor to post exorbitant bail money) that arguably ruined the lives of countless POC...

[brucejoel99]

Aaaanyway, circling back to actual VP news, this tweet thread from Nate Cohn is pretty interesting:

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1290283459819089920
Normally, the list should be shrinking, but here, it keeps expanding. This could very well mean that it isn't Harris because, if it was, then the process would be over, but instead, it looks like they just aren't with their current cohort & they keep scraping the barrel to find more candidates.

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Amzi Qureshi, a Muslim American Warren supporter, has done a remarkable 800-tweet thread on the work she's done on racial justice and for other marginalized groups:

https://twitter.com/AmziQureshi/status/1290000645118783488?s=20

This tweet thread is absurd. She was a Republican until she was in her 60’s. I’m glad she made some nice speeches and said Black Lives Matter at a forum but to proclaim she’s done more for racial justice than almost any other politician is laughable.

Good to know that there's a cut off for doing work that helps people. If you're a Republican into your 60's, you can't change and do good work for the black community. A lot of people had political revelations around the time she did, and hers was specifically in response to the research she was doing in her field, but nah she came across that too late so it doesn't count.

Opportunism. Window dressing. We see it all the time with Demcorats with senatorial/presidential ambitions. The touring of the black churches, attending that one Sunday service in Ebenezer, etc. We see right through it.

I have you on ignore for a reason, but this is an especially stupid post. Being toxic towards a woman with a career of actually enacting progressive policy and chalking it up to "opportunism" is one of the most sexist arguments you could make--and it would be sexist if someone said that about Kamala, as well. You know this but you're just unwilling to make a more substantive argument against Liz Warren. I'm all for her being VP, but I have my reservations as well. I think the moment calls for a black woman to be VP so I am totally on board with Kamala, but if Warren is the pick, it does not mean that Biden picked someone whose record does not reflect what this country needs right now in terms of racial justice.

[wbrocks67]

Aaaanyway, circling back to actual VP news, this tweet thread from Nate Cohn is pretty interesting:

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1290283459819089920
Normally, the list should be shrinking, but here, it keeps expanding. This could very well mean that it isn't Harris because, if it was, then the process would be over, but instead, it looks like they just aren't with their current cohort & they keep scraping the barrel to find more candidates.

The problem with this take is that we actually don't know what's happening. There has been a steady list of 4/5 serious contenders, but we keep getting a bigger list. But that doesn't necessarily mean that any of this is the case. The Biden Team could easily be putting out red herrings allover the place to make us think something else.

i.e. just because it keeps "leaking" that there are "10 contenders" doesn't actually mean there really is 10 or anywhere close to that... or even that there ever was

Not to mention, even if they did settle on Harris or whoever months ago, it's not like Biden would ever tell anyone that or let that leak out...

[BidenHarris2020]

https://twitter.com/ot_ford/status/1290290158273622017?s=19 Much ado about nothing 

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

The people concern trolling about Warren’s having been a Republican 30 years ago are gonna freak when they hear about Brown v. Plata and Harris’s attitude towards pot.

[Mr. Morden]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1290314275974721536

From that story:

Sources close to the selection process and others with knowledge of its deliberations tell NBC News that Biden planned this weekend to drill down on vetting materials with the goal of narrowing the list down to a “three or four” candidates. But several factors stand in the way of a public announcement, which aides say is unlikely to come this week.

One key element, a person involved in the process said, was polling data the campaign was waiting on on each of the potential candidates. Even as the campaign looks to avoid a choice that could prove to be a political liability, the most important ingredient to Biden is having personal chemistry with the choice. Biden then hopes to meet with each finalist — in person if possible, but at least virtually — by midweek.

The final one-on-one meetings are seen as critical for Biden, who is looking to recreate with his choice the same kind of close, trusting bond he shared as vice president with Barack Obama.

Meeting the finalists "by midweek" means these interviews are happening very imminently....maybe even starting today, for all we know.

Also:

Biden advisers do not expect a public rollout until next week at the earliest, and not just because the process remains fluid now that the ball is in Biden’s court. There are still questions to be answered about exactly how and where an announcement would take place, without the traditional kind of rally that in past cycles has served as a launching point for the nominating convention.

Next week “at the earliest”?  I guess that means waiting until convention week itself isn’t being ruled out.

[BidenHarris2020]

By bet is on an email/announcement of a virtual event. Video starts, with Biden and she who has yet to be named(at his residence). Rallies are out.

[Mr. Morden]

Now is the time for some enterprising journalists to be tracking the every movement of each of the presumed finalists.  If they are actually going to meet Biden in person, then potentially you can find clues of their travel.  Though veep candidates often tend to be sneaky about this.  Paul Ryan was supposedly on a "family vacation" when he snuck out to meet with Romney back in 2012.

Of course, if the meetings are virtual, then this doesn't apply.  They could be anywhere.