Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[Progressive Pessimist]

Nope, you know exactly what I'm talking about. She took a pretty big swing at him and Trump can use it in ads.

But nobody ended up really caring about that swing on substance. Are you trying to tell me that Trump is suddenly going to champion forced busing and that it will appeal to undecided voters?

[DisneyDem]

What does everyone think of Baldwin?

[NYSforKennedy2024]

David Pakman has endorsed Warren for VP.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

What does everyone think of Baldwin?

She'd be S tier in a vacuum but the Senate is a major risk. She becomes a significantly stronger choice if she's prepared to step down in time for a special election there in November, as the home state boost she'd deliver in WI could actually help with that.

[Senator Spark]

What does everyone think of Baldwin?

FF. A scary pick.

[gf20202]

I like Susan Rice and think she passes the Ready to Be President on Day 1 Test easily.  She hasn't run for office, but she's clearly very articulate and capable.

I just think not having to run and engage in domestic politics has made her rougher around the edges than almost any one in the contention. She agreed to mandatory conscription randomly in an interview with Michael Smerconish for instance. Just too much intellectualism, not enough care for presenting ideas.

[Former Crackhead Mike Lindell]

Call me a concern troll all you want, but I have a bad feeling about whoever Biden's running mate is going to be. They'll instantly become a lightning rod for the Trump campaign, and it'll work. Their attacks against her will stick, far better than they do against Teflon Joe, of that I am certain. Very soon, Trump won't be running against Biden - he'll be running against Harris. Or Warren. Or some other woman. And it could, potentially, galvanize his supporters in a really nasty way.

There's very little Biden can do to mitigate that, however. He's been running an incredible one-person campaign so far. There's a huge amount of risk to be expected when the other half of the ticket is finally revealed. And who knows how it'll all shake out in the end.

[Oryxslayer]

Call me a concern troll all you want, but I have a bad feeling about whoever Biden's running mate is going to be. They'll instantly become a lightning rod for the Trump campaign, and it'll work. Their attacks against her will stick, far better than they do against Teflon Joe, of that I am certain. Very soon, Trump won't be running against Biden - he'll be running against Harris. Or Warren. Or some other woman. And it could, potentially, galvanize his supporters in a really nasty way.

There's very little Biden can do to mitigate that, however. He's been running an incredible one-person campaign so far. There's a huge amount of risk to be expected when the other half of the ticket is finally revealed. And who knows how it'll all shake out in the end.

I'm sure on some level they know this, which is why the VP is going to be announced in August, when early votes are starting to get mailed out in certain states. The longer it could be potentially just Biden, the better.

[Devils30]

Call me a concern troll all you want, but I have a bad feeling about whoever Biden's running mate is going to be. They'll instantly become a lightning rod for the Trump campaign, and it'll work. Their attacks against her will stick, far better than they do against Teflon Joe, of that I am certain. Very soon, Trump won't be running against Biden - he'll be running against Harris. Or Warren. Or some other woman. And it could, potentially, galvanize his supporters in a really nasty way.

There's very little Biden can do to mitigate that, however. He's been running an incredible one-person campaign so far. There's a huge amount of risk to be expected when the other half of the ticket is finally revealed. And who knows how it'll all shake out in the end.

Exactly, but I think they would stick much less to Duckworth or Demings than Harvard/San Francisco Kamala and Warren.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Call me a concern troll all you want, but I have a bad feeling about whoever Biden's running mate is going to be. They'll instantly become a lightning rod for the Trump campaign, and it'll work. Their attacks against her will stick, far better than they do against Teflon Joe, of that I am certain. Very soon, Trump won't be running against Biden - he'll be running against Harris. Or Warren. Or some other woman. And it could, potentially, galvanize his supporters in a really nasty way.

There's very little Biden can do to mitigate that, however. He's been running an incredible one-person campaign so far. There's a huge amount of risk to be expected when the other half of the ticket is finally revealed. And who knows how it'll all shake out in the end.

Exactly, but I think they would stick much less to Duckworth or Demings than Harvard/San Francisco Kamala and Warren.

Can you stop? Nobody cares about this.

[Devils30]

You think no one does. But it could be the difference between a 5% victory and not winning Senate and 12% with 53 Senators. The bottom line is that wing of the party is really unpopular outside of a half dozen cities and university towns.

[Roll Roons]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/joe-biden-choose-war-hero-tammy-duckworth-vice-president-column/5350685002/

Former Bay Area Congressman Mike Honda endorses Duckworth.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

You think no one does. But it could be the difference between a 5% victory and not winning Senate and 12% with 53 Senators. The bottom line is that wing of the party is really unpopular outside of a half dozen cities and university towns.

No, nothing you said makes any sense.

[Devils30]

The wing of the party that likes Harris and Warren sees everything in the lens of upper-middle class politics. Gender and identity matter more than protecting entitlements/universal benefits. Swing voters absolutely notice the difference.

Notice I am referring to supporters of these candidates, not the candidates themselves. I have no doubt Warren herself is as committed as anyone here. But in terms of affecting the public discussion, I just think Duckworth would have much more upside than  the candidates resoundingly rejected in the primary. And lets be honest, Harris 2020 started in a way better position than Biden 2008. No one in their right mind thought Biden was going to be nominee ahead of Clinton, Obama or Edwards. Harris was ranked #1 by many and completely flopped.

[wbrocks67]

The wing of the party that likes Harris and Warren sees everything in the lens of upper-middle class politics. Gender and identity matter more than protecting entitlements/universal benefits. Swing voters absolutely notice the difference.

Notice I am referring to supporters of these candidates, not the candidates themselves. I have no doubt Warren herself is as committed as anyone here. But in terms of affecting the public discussion, I just think Duckworth would have much more upside than  the candidates resoundingly rejected in the primary. And lets be honest, Harris 2020 started in a way better position than Biden 2008. No one in their right mind thought Biden was going to be nominee ahead of Clinton, Obama or Edwards. Harris was ranked #1 by many and completely flopped.

How a 2020 presidential campaign went has nothing to do with any of this, though. There are a multitude of reasons why Harris didn't connect, and not all of them were b/c of the candidate herself.

[Devils30]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/29/us/politics/kamala-harris-2020.html

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/12/the-self-sabotaging-of-kamala-harris

This isn't on the candidate? I am sorry but at this level of government you need the leadership skills and if you lack them as Kamala did, it's no ones fault but her own. She made the hiring decisions, she had the right to overrule her advisors on her message and strategy and didn't.

If you think the Biden vetting team won't be thinking about this, you're out of your mind.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/29/us/politics/kamala-harris-2020.html

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/12/the-self-sabotaging-of-kamala-harris

This isn't on the candidate? I am sorry but at this level of government you need the leadership skills and if you lack them as Kamala did, it's no ones fault but her own. She made the hiring decisions, she had the right to overrule her advisors on her message and strategy and didn't.

If you think the Biden vetting team won't be thinking about this, you're out of your mind.

You have a weird obsession with her.

[wbrocks67]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/29/us/politics/kamala-harris-2020.html

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/12/the-self-sabotaging-of-kamala-harris

This isn't on the candidate? I am sorry but at this level of government you need the leadership skills and if you lack them as Kamala did, it's no ones fault but her own. She made the hiring decisions, she had the right to overrule her advisors on her message and strategy and didn't.

If you think the Biden vetting team won't be thinking about this, you're out of your mind.

I LITERALLY said "not ALL of them". Yes, were some issues on her and her team? Absolutely. You're putting words in my mouth. But there were ALSO other things at play with the different wings of the party, and especially many voters who were afraid to nominate a woman, especially a black woman, given 2016.

And again, not sure what a presidential campaign has to do with how she would handle VP. You sound like you're just vehemently anti-Harris and just trying to come with any reason you can to say she shouldn't get it.

This thread is constantly littered with bad faith arguments.

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Can we have this discussion elsewhere? This thread is supposed to be for news and I feel like the last several pages of this thread is just arguing about the merits of different candidates ad nauseam.

[Oryxslayer]

Can we have this discussion elsewhere? This thread is supposed to be for news and I feel like the last several pages of this thread is just arguing about the merits of different candidates ad nauseam.

There are also merits in containing all VP discussion, their merits, their drawbacks, and their news, to this thread.

[Orwell]

So I have a question what are the drawbacks for Duckworth? That she isn't the right color for a person of color? Anything else?

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

So I have a question what are the drawbacks for Duckworth? That she isn't the right color for a person of color? Anything else?

Apparently that she is not well known or a gifted orator.

[Mr. Morden]

Can we have this discussion elsewhere? This thread is supposed to be for news and I feel like the last several pages of this thread is just arguing about the merits of different candidates ad nauseam.

There are also merits in containing all VP discussion, their merits, their drawbacks, and their news, to this thread.

I wish we wouldn't though.  I created a "Biden VP news megathread" (which subsequently got merged into earlier threads, which is why I'm not the OP ) for the purpose of aggregating news about the VP selection.  Was hoping that the news about the search wouldn't get drowned out by page after page of discussion about people's own VP preferences.  As it is now, this thread is very active, but the news items tend to get buried.  Would prefer if the debate about who it should be was elsewhere.  That was the model used four years ago, when we had a "VP news thread" and a separate "VP discussion thread", or something like that.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

So I have a question what are the drawbacks for Duckworth? That she isn't the right color for a person of color? Anything else?

Apparently that she is not well known or a gifted orator.

I'd imagine the "not well known" concern can be solved by becoming a running mate to the current apparent frontrunner

[South Dakota Democrat]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/29/us/politics/kamala-harris-2020.html

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/12/the-self-sabotaging-of-kamala-harris

This isn't on the candidate? I am sorry but at this level of government you need the leadership skills and if you lack them as Kamala did, it's no ones fault but her own. She made the hiring decisions, she had the right to overrule her advisors on her message and strategy and didn't.

If you think the Biden vetting team won't be thinking about this, you're out of your mind.

You have a weird obsession with her.

That seems like an unfair characterization.  She is a leading candidate to be VP, after all.