Indictment-O-Rama, Act 3: Cohen Up the River
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 22, 2024, 11:47:46 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  U.S. General Discussion (Moderators: The Dowager Mod, Chancellor Tanterterg)
  Indictment-O-Rama, Act 3: Cohen Up the River
« previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 [8] 9 10 11 12 13 ... 37
Author Topic: Indictment-O-Rama, Act 3: Cohen Up the River  (Read 77874 times)
Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin
Runeghost
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,602


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #175 on: December 17, 2018, 12:02:48 AM »

From that bastion of far-leftism, Forbes:

Mueller Exposes Putin's Hold Over Trump
Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.
Logged
Sir Mohamed
MohamedChalid
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,870
United States



Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #176 on: December 17, 2018, 03:12:45 AM »

Rudy offers a compromise for having Trump sit down with Mueller

Giuliani: Trump will only sit for interview with Mueller ‘over my dead body’

Unorthodox, but sounds acceptable to me.

Even America's Mayor turned-to-Trump-lapdog knows full well that if Drumpf sits down with Mueller under oath, it's going to be an orange jumpsuit.
Logged
Person Man
Angry_Weasel
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 36,667
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #177 on: December 17, 2018, 09:30:14 AM »

Rudy offers a compromise for having Trump sit down with Mueller

Giuliani: Trump will only sit for interview with Mueller ‘over my dead body’

Unorthodox, but sounds acceptable to me.

Even America's Mayor turned-to-Trump-lapdog knows full well that if Drumpf sits down with Mueller under oath, it's going to be an orange jumpsuit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp0I9qLE0VA
Logged
Silent Hunter
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,366
United Kingdom


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #178 on: December 17, 2018, 10:33:59 AM »

Business partner of Michael Flynn charged with being a foreign agent for Turkey.
Logged
Person Man
Angry_Weasel
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 36,667
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #179 on: December 17, 2018, 11:15:08 AM »

Maybe Trump is draining the swamp by having so much attention drawn into it by being involved in it.
Logged
The Dowager Mod
texasgurl
Moderator
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,973
United States


Political Matrix
E: -9.48, S: -8.57

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #180 on: December 17, 2018, 11:19:54 AM »

I need more popcorn.

Logged
GeorgiaModerate
Moderators
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,982


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #181 on: December 17, 2018, 07:08:24 PM »

Logged
Person Man
Angry_Weasel
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 36,667
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #182 on: December 17, 2018, 09:05:06 PM »

Can't wait for the restitution sale!
Logged
Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin
Runeghost
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,602


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #183 on: December 17, 2018, 09:57:57 PM »

Russian disinformation teams targeted Robert S. Mueller III, says report prepared for Senate

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.
Logged
Gass3268
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 27,542
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #184 on: December 18, 2018, 12:01:39 PM »
« Edited: December 18, 2018, 12:05:25 PM by Gass3268 »

Woah:



Logged
Hindsight was 2020
Hindsight is 2020
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,574
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #185 on: December 18, 2018, 12:08:20 PM »

Woah:




Good on the judge. As a general and IC guy Flynn knew what he was doing was serious
Logged
Silent Hunter
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,366
United Kingdom


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #186 on: December 18, 2018, 12:40:54 PM »

Is it common for a judge to ignore a sentencing recommendation in a plea deal?
Logged
SteveRogers
duncan298
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,202


Political Matrix
E: -3.87, S: -5.04

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #187 on: December 18, 2018, 12:49:47 PM »

Is it common for a judge to ignore a sentencing recommendation in a plea deal?
Not uncommon. Depends on the judge (and often the likely media visibility of the case).
Logged
Koharu
jphp
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,644
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.35

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #188 on: December 18, 2018, 01:48:24 PM »

Sullivan really let him have it. It sounds like he thinks that the prosecution could (and should?) have pressed for treason with Flynn? I'm not sure on that though, by missing the in-person body language and the like.

I do agree that of all involved, Flynn knew exactly what he was doing.
Logged
Silent Hunter
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,366
United Kingdom


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #189 on: December 18, 2018, 01:50:29 PM »

Doesn't treason actually require the US to be at war with Russia?
Logged
Koharu
jphp
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,644
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.35

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #190 on: December 18, 2018, 02:05:05 PM »

Sullivan also walked back his comments.

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/michael-flynn-sentencing-mueller-russia-probe/index.html
Logged
Silent Hunter
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,366
United Kingdom


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #191 on: December 18, 2018, 05:27:24 PM »

More on this Turkish agent indictments
Logged
Obama-Biden Democrat
Zyzz
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,825


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #192 on: December 18, 2018, 05:49:24 PM »

Treasonous Republicans on the intelligence committee declined to to issue subpoenas for Trump's phone records, even after finding out that Trump Jr made a phone call to a blocked number after the infamous Trump Tower meeting with the Russians. Trump is a known user of a blocked phone number. They know damn well who Trump Jr was talking to, they are afraid of the answer.
Logged
GeorgiaModerate
Moderators
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,982


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #193 on: December 18, 2018, 07:17:11 PM »

Treasonous Republicans on the intelligence committee declined to to issue subpoenas for Trump's phone records, even after finding out that Trump Jr made a phone call to a blocked number after the infamous Trump Tower meeting with the Russians. Trump is a known user of a blocked phone number. They know damn well who Trump Jr was talking to, they are afraid of the answer.

In a couple of weeks, Republicans will no longer control the House Intelligence Committee.  This should have Trump & company shaking in their boots.
Logged
Badger
badger
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 40,411
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #194 on: December 18, 2018, 08:08:36 PM »

Is it common for a judge to ignore a sentencing recommendation in a plea deal?
Not uncommon. Depends on the judge (and often the likely media visibility of the case).


In this case the latter doesn't apply too much considering this judge has a lifetime appointment.
Logged
Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin
Runeghost
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,602


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #195 on: December 19, 2018, 11:14:52 AM »


Trump signed letter of intent for Trump Tower Moscow project despite Giuliani insisting he didn't


Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.
Logged
pbrower2a
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 26,854
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #196 on: December 20, 2018, 12:08:38 AM »

Doesn't treason actually require the US to be at war with Russia?

Treason can include dirty deals before a war or a 'hostile takeover'.

Article 3, Section 3 defines treason as a offense to be prosecuted:

Definition: In Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution, treason is specifically limited to levying war against the US, or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. Conviction requires two witnesses or a confession in open court.[2]

Penalty: U.S. Code Title 18: Death,[8] or not less than 5 years' imprisonment and not more than life imprisonment without the possibility of parole (minimum fine of $10,000, if not sentenced to death). Any person convicted of treason against the United States will permanently lose the right to ever hold or run for public office anywhere in any capacity within the United States. [9][10]

(Wikipedia)

The idea is to limit the charge of treason to very specific offenses against the sovereignty of the US. That includes a rebellion with the intention of overthrowing a lawfully-constituted US government (the Confederacy never intended to do that),  participating in a puppet regime of a foreign power (think of Quisling or Laval) or giving a foreign power assurances that US forces will be unable to defend themselves (such as by stealing or destroying munitions for a border garrison, guiding enemy forces in an effort to conquer territory, or promising to suppress resistance). Aid and comfort does not mean something so trivial as food and lodging.

There must probably be some malign intent or unjustified reward (money or political authority).

A treason charge is difficult to prosecute. Other acts of treachery from desertion to to terrorism to ervice in an enemy army to espionage to war crimes are easier to prove. Such people, let us say Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, are typically prosecuted as spies, or like John Walker Lindh for illegal transactions with an enemy. 
Logged
Person Man
Angry_Weasel
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 36,667
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #197 on: December 20, 2018, 08:51:23 AM »

tl; dr. But Question-

Could someone get Death over all of this?
Logged
GeorgiaModerate
Moderators
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,982


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #198 on: December 20, 2018, 06:46:10 PM »



Tick.  Tick.  Tick.
Logged
Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin
Runeghost
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,602


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #199 on: December 21, 2018, 01:49:49 AM »

Ethics official said Whitaker should recuse from the Mueller probe, but his advisers told him not to, officials say

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 [8] 9 10 11 12 13 ... 37  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.062 seconds with 13 queries.