Southern Gothic (D) vs. RINO Tom (R)

[OSR stands with Israel]

Southern Gothic is too liberal to win back the south but his populism would help win back MI and WI but in turn lose NV,VA,NH, CO

[OSR stands with Israel]

Southern Gothic would easily get my vote. He’d likely win but how much of the urban and suburban Dem base he keeps is an open question. If there’s anyone who would make inroads with the WWC it’s him. I could see anything from a really odd mid-20th century-esque map to a Clinton+Rust Belt map to OSR’s map.

Well Midwestern WWC is different than Southern WWC voters though.

Southern WWC have been solidly Republican since 1994(1996 Clinton winning by nearly double digits allowed him to win those but in a close election he probably loses the entire south except WV and AK) and the Suburbs in the South would go overwhelmingly for RINO Tom so any inroads he makes there would.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I mean RINO Tom isn't just an elitist who is a Republican. He voted for Clinton while SG voted for Trump. There's reason to think we'd end up with a really funky map just because the nominees are THAT different from 2016.

Yes, these votes and their views on certain social (and yes, even economic and foreign policy) issues would essentially make them unpalatable to their respective party's base from the get-go, abortion and gun control in particular. This is basically as close to John Bel Edwards (D) vs. Charlie Baker (R) as you can get, and I have a hard time believing that WV and VT would be solid R and D, respectively, in this scenario. Or that Fairfax County wouldn’t at least be somewhat competitive.

I don’t really think RINO Tom or SG are that different on social issues


RINO Tom is liberal compared to the party on social issues but he said he still supports the 20 week ban I believe on Abortion

And SG said he’s more moderate on the issue now too so his position is probably the same as wells

[OSR stands with Israel]

I mean RINO Tom isn't just an elitist who is a Republican. He voted for Clinton while SG voted for Trump. There's reason to think we'd end up with a really funky map just because the nominees are THAT different from 2016.

Yes, these votes and their views on certain social (and yes, even economic and foreign policy) issues would essentially make them unpalatable to their respective party's base from the get-go, abortion and gun control in particular. This is basically as close to John Bel Edwards (D) vs. Charlie Baker (R) as you can get, and I have a hard time believing that WV and VT would be solid R and D, respectively, in this scenario. Or that Fairfax County wouldn’t at least be somewhat competitive.

I don’t really think RINO Tom or SG are that different on social issues


RINO Tom is liberal compared to the party on social issues but he said he still supports the 20 week ban I believe on Abortion

And SG said he’s more moderate on the issue now too so his position is probably the same as well

[OSR stands with Israel]

Southern Gothic would basically be my ideal Democrat, so him easily.

And I also think Southern Gothic wins fairly easily

I very much disagree because even though SG is more conservative than the average Dem when it comes to social issues his overall views ideologically is probably very similar to RINO Tom from what they said when they describe their positions in detail .


It’s not really John Bel Edwards vs Charlie Baker , I would say it’s more like Joe Manchin vs John Kasich