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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2018, 11:45:25 PM »

Main topic for debate: if unionization is supposed to be to the benefit of the workers, what's wrong with letting all of the affected workers vote?

I, for one, believe that union membership is a force for good in a workplace, especially in an era like ours where economic inequality is on the rise around the world. This bill will strengthen unions, and this is also why I don't believe in the "right-to-work" school of labor policy which, in my opinion, would allow employers to take advantage of their workers and cause more harm than good.

*My post is ONLY in my capacity as a voter and not GM*

I'm doing my best to avoid direct policy advocacy now, but I will say that your above response did not really answer my question of what's wrong with letting all of the affected workers vote first ...

Could you please try again beginning with something like: "I do not think all affected workers should vote on whether or not to unionize because [insert your answer here]"? Thanks.

*My post is ONLY in my capacity as a voter and not GM*
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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2018, 11:48:50 PM »

I object to the motion for a final vote.
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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2018, 02:47:33 PM »
« Edited: December 15, 2018, 02:57:50 PM by MB »

As there have been 2 objections on the motion for a final vote, there will be a vote held on whether to object to Razze's motion. It will run for 72 hours or until all Representatives have voted.
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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2018, 03:01:26 PM »

I present an amendment.

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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2018, 03:07:00 PM »

You can't just present an amendment in the middle of a cloture vote.
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« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2018, 03:16:54 PM »

I'm curious as to why Razze felt the need to motion for a final vote when debate wasn't finished, especially when he didn't actually answer the question he was asked?
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« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2018, 03:29:59 PM »

You can't just present an amendment in the middle of a cloture vote.
Sure I can, because we are still debating.
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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2018, 05:20:39 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2018, 06:05:37 PM »

This is an illegitimate vote, but Nay.
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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2018, 06:55:34 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2018, 07:24:10 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2018, 09:12:17 PM »

Nay.. because there is still some who want to debate this. We need to give people the time they want to debate it.
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« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2018, 11:21:00 PM »

There were a few days of zero postings on this bill, but now that i've motioned for a vote, people seem to be concerned about more debate? Um

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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2018, 11:25:21 PM »

This has been debated to death back in May when the bill was first introduced and I don't think the two sides will ever agree on this issue and asking opponents questions just stalls time and scores political points. Hold a vote already and actually get something done for once.
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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2018, 11:32:03 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2018, 11:39:14 PM »

This has been debated to death back in May when the bill was first introduced and I don't think the two sides will ever agree on this issue and asking opponents questions just stalls time and scores political points. Hold a vote already and actually get something done for once.

During the debate, I do not believe it was ever explained why workers should not be allowed to vote on whether or not they wish to unionize.
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« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2018, 11:47:21 PM »

Ok, I can pull the motion until other representatives feel like there has been enough debate
And you let a question sit for 12 days that you didn't actually answer.

How about we try that again, without the excuses?
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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2018, 12:07:35 AM »

This has been debated to death back in May when the bill was first introduced and I don't think the two sides will ever agree on this issue and asking opponents questions just stalls time and scores political points. Hold a vote already and actually get something done for once.

During the debate, I do not believe it was ever explained why workers should not be allowed to vote on whether or not they wish to unionize.


Yes it was but you chose to ignore it and strawman others to try to paint the labor as anti-worker because you don't actually believe in a social safety net and rather just believe in individual liberty, which to be fair and think that somehow that'll solve all problems.
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« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2018, 07:32:09 AM »

This has been debated to death back in May when the bill was first introduced and I don't think the two sides will ever agree on this issue and asking opponents questions just stalls time and scores political points. Hold a vote already and actually get something done for once.

During the debate, I do not believe it was ever explained why workers should not be allowed to vote on whether or not they wish to unionize.


Yes it was but you chose to ignore it and strawman others to try to paint the labor as anti-worker because you don't actually believe in a social safety net and rather just believe in individual liberty, which to be fair and think that somehow that'll solve all problems.

You mean that thing 7 months ago that like what 1 of 9 current representatives was in office for?
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« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2018, 07:35:26 AM »

This has been debated to death back in May when the bill was first introduced and I don't think the two sides will ever agree on this issue and asking opponents questions just stalls time and scores political points. Hold a vote already and actually get something done for once.

During the debate, I do not believe it was ever explained why workers should not be allowed to vote on whether or not they wish to unionize.


Yes it was but you chose to ignore it and strawman others to try to paint the labor as anti-worker because you don't actually believe in a social safety net and rather just believe in individual liberty, which to be fair and think that somehow that'll solve all problems.

You mean that thing 7 months ago that like what 1 of 9 current representatives was in office for?

I mean the same arguments used then apply now as they did then.
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« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2018, 12:11:50 AM »

The cloture vote has resulted in a 4-4 tie. As Vice President I am empowered to break the tie.

Aye

The cloture vote on Razze's motion has passed, 5-4.

A final vote will therefore be held. It will last 72 hours.
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« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2018, 10:01:32 AM »

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« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2018, 12:05:19 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2018, 12:32:54 PM »

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« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2018, 07:18:22 PM »

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