KS-SEN 2020 Megathread: Marshall overperforms and wins
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« Reply #950 on: August 04, 2020, 08:32:16 PM »

Is Marshall really going to win the primary? I thought establishment candidates would do poorly in this environment after Scott Tipton lost.
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« Reply #951 on: August 04, 2020, 08:32:18 PM »

Well, there goes a potential D pickup.

it was a longshot anyway.
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« Reply #952 on: August 04, 2020, 08:32:46 PM »

The general election is still competitive even with Marshall, just less so than with Kobach.

Agreed, but in this case I think it was the difference between Tilt/Lean D and Tilt/Lean R, so it’s a much-needed boost for the GOP.
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« Reply #953 on: August 04, 2020, 08:32:54 PM »

Is Marshall really going to win the primary? I thought establishment candidates would do poorly in this environment after Scott Tipton lost.

establishment overall isn't doing very well, but kobach is damaged goods.
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« Reply #954 on: August 04, 2020, 08:33:26 PM »


True. Kobach probably would've ended up winning by a few points.
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« Reply #955 on: August 04, 2020, 08:35:10 PM »

From what I've heard Marshall isn't a lock to win this seat either, but we will see what happens.
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« Reply #956 on: August 04, 2020, 08:35:29 PM »


True. Kobach probably would've ended up winning by a few points.

Like how he won by -6 points in 2018?
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« Reply #957 on: August 04, 2020, 08:36:48 PM »


True. Kobach probably would've ended up winning by a few points.

Like how he won by -6 points in 2018?

Again, people will just say that this time would have been different because it’s a "federal race", KS last elected a Democratic Senator in the 1930s, etc.

Let’s not rehash the same predictable talking points again and again.
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« Reply #958 on: August 04, 2020, 08:37:28 PM »


True. Kobach probably would've ended up winning by a few points.

Like how he won by -6 points in 2018?

Republicans will pretend like that race never happened.
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« Reply #959 on: August 04, 2020, 08:46:27 PM »

https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1290824704111136768

DDHQ calls it for Marshall.
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« Reply #960 on: August 04, 2020, 08:48:29 PM »

CA-21 2018 was originally called for Valadao in the general election, but he ended up losing.
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« Reply #961 on: August 04, 2020, 08:50:24 PM »


Marshall's victory makes it more difficult for Democrats to win Kansas. It is probably closer to Likely than Lean Republican now. The Democrats' long losing streak in the state looks set to continue this year.
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« Reply #962 on: August 04, 2020, 08:51:27 PM »

I didn't think Marshall would be winning by this much.
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« Reply #963 on: August 04, 2020, 08:53:50 PM »

The Rs werent gonna gift wrap the Senate to the Ds with Kobach. But, the Dems have residuals in GA in case they win NC, CO and ME, but lose IA and AZ

Ernst and McSally are more formidable than polls indicate
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« Reply #964 on: August 04, 2020, 08:56:07 PM »


Lots of money down the drain for both sides
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« Reply #965 on: August 04, 2020, 08:57:32 PM »

TM PROJECTION: Roger Marshall will defeat Kris Kobach tonight. Tracey Mann and Jake LaTurner will also win.
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« Reply #966 on: August 04, 2020, 08:57:40 PM »

I didn't think Marshall would be winning by this much.

Are there signs that the Democratic meddling backfired at the last minute? I’m not saying that this is necessarily what happened and I know that Marshall apparently had a sizable advantage before Democratic outside groups started attacking him, but I didn’t expect this kind of margin either.
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« Reply #967 on: August 04, 2020, 08:58:26 PM »

I didn't think Marshall would be winning by this much.

Are there signs that the Democratic meddling backfired at the last minute? I’m not saying that this is necessarily what happened and I know that Marshall apparently had a sizable advantage before Democratic outside groups started attacking him, but I didn’t expect this kind of margin either.
I think it backfired and allowed the race to swing back to Marshall. That was my closing line with folks I know.
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« Reply #968 on: August 04, 2020, 09:03:17 PM »

I didn't think Marshall would be winning by this much.

Are there signs that the Democratic meddling backfired at the last minute? I’m not saying that this is necessarily what happened and I know that Marshall apparently had a sizable advantage before Democratic outside groups started attacking him, but I didn’t expect this kind of margin either.
I think it backfired and allowed the race to swing back to Marshall. That was my closing line with folks I know.

I think Republicans tend to learn their lesson the hardway after the crazy loses to a Democrat in a general election. For example, see how Sharron Angle and Roy Moore's campaigns went down in future primaries after blowing high-profile races to Democrats.
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« Reply #969 on: August 04, 2020, 09:14:08 PM »

I didn't think Marshall would be winning by this much.

Are there signs that the Democratic meddling backfired at the last minute? I’m not saying that this is necessarily what happened and I know that Marshall apparently had a sizable advantage before Democratic outside groups started attacking him, but I didn’t expect this kind of margin either.
I think it backfired and allowed the race to swing back to Marshall. That was my closing line with folks I know.

I think Republicans tend to learn their lesson the hardway after the crazy loses to a Democrat in a general election. For example, see how Sharron Angle and Roy Moore's campaigns went down in future primaries after blowing high-profile races to Democrats.

Not always true. McSally who is up next lost embarrassingly lost in 2018 after being overhyped. She’s up next for her primary tonight. GOP voters are basically giving her the approval tonight to loose the second senate seat to Dems.
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« Reply #970 on: August 04, 2020, 09:18:57 PM »

I didn't think Marshall would be winning by this much.

Are there signs that the Democratic meddling backfired at the last minute? I’m not saying that this is necessarily what happened and I know that Marshall apparently had a sizable advantage before Democratic outside groups started attacking him, but I didn’t expect this kind of margin either.
I think it backfired and allowed the race to swing back to Marshall. That was my closing line with folks I know.

I think Republicans tend to learn their lesson the hardway after the crazy loses to a Democrat in a general election. For example, see how Sharron Angle and Roy Moore's campaigns went down in future primaries after blowing high-profile races to Democrats.

Not always true. McSally who is up next lost embarrassingly lost in 2018 after being overhyped. She’s up next for her primary tonight. GOP voters are basically giving her the approval tonight to loose the second senate seat to Dems.

She's not comparable at all. The other losers are who the establishment never wanted to win their original primaries in the first place.
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« Reply #971 on: August 04, 2020, 09:22:21 PM »

Safe R now.

Bollier isn’t getting +10 of Trump voters. This is the same song and dance as 2014 when we heard that Orman had a shot. Sorry I’m not falling for that again.
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« Reply #972 on: August 04, 2020, 09:34:41 PM »

A strong likely R. There was still that one poll where he was only ahead of Bollier by 1, but he'll prolly end up winning by 13 or so. My model moves KS-Sen to 92% R
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« Reply #973 on: August 04, 2020, 09:36:13 PM »

Well, I’m glad that Kobach isn’t getting anywhere near the Senate, and I think people overestimated Bollier’s chances against him. Back to Safe R (or possibly a strong Likely R, depending on polling), and Democrats have plenty of other opportunities.
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« Reply #974 on: August 04, 2020, 09:42:59 PM »

Well, I’m glad that Kobach isn’t getting anywhere near the Senate, and I think people overestimated Bollier’s chances against him. Back to Safe R (or possibly a strong Likely R, depending on polling), and Democrats have plenty of other opportunities.

They do (I don’t think anyone denied that), but it’s races like this one which will decide whether Republicans can win back/hold the Senate in 2022, so it’s not unimportant at all. Also, expanding the playing field doesn’t exactly hurt, especially since Democrats aren’t guaranteed to win the Senate this year even if they’re looking good right now.
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