The New Zell Miller

[Coolface Sock #42069]

It's not 1994 anymore.  There are not scads of Democrats who you would think were prime candidates to switch parties and bolt the national ticket as there were back then.

Personally, I think Manchin is the new Zell Miller.  He'll switch parties and endorse Trump, probably at some point in early 2020.  He's the only one really worth having, as far as being able to actually do something for Trump.

Webb might, but I doubt it.  Lieberman might, but McCain was his pal, and I can't believe Lieberman appreciates Trump's trashing McCain.  Cuellar has been a Bush-supporting Democrat, but could be a fresh Hispanic face for the Trump Team. 

What do folks think here?

If you think that Manchin is the next Zell Miller, I'd suggest you need to be a bit of a deeper dive.

To begin with, if Manchin was going to do a 'Zell Miller' he would have done in 2017- and either taken a cabinet position, or run as a republican and not have to spend 18 months with the political kidney stone of running as a Democrat. Zell Miller didn't run in 2002, and shoot the Bush tax cuts bill.

Besides Manchin has said dozens of times that he's been very pissed off at the Trump Administrations efforts to repeal Obamacare.

I actually think Manchin is very Miller-like policy-wise. He just disagrees on what party best represents those policies.

[IceSpear]

lol @manchin endorsing Trump he only said to win reelection. The next democratic presidential candidate could be Icespear and Manchin would still endorse him.

LOL

Luckily, judging from Manchin's victory speech, he's going to vote like Elizabeth Warren for the next 6 years. Massive FF!

While I haven't had a chance to absorb all the maps, Manchin's is the funniest so far.  If you were to try to create an urban-rural divide in WV, Manchin dominated the urban(modern) while getting smoked in rural WV.  Sure it's not perfect, he did win the rotting carcass of McDowell county by a few votes, but he actually won "suburban" Putnam and did better than I expected in Berkeley.  If Manchin wanted to do something for WV he'd be best to try to help modern WV and let the rest of it go.

He's already on record as saying Trump letting Sessions go was a huge mistake (as if Trump doesn't make those on an daily/hourly basis) , so he's doesn't seem real likely.

Webb doesn't seem really relevant to anything anymore.  He views himself as the great defender of the Scot-Irish while really not doing all that well with them the one time he got elected.  I actually wonder what his name recognition is in Virginia much less beyond.

Speaking of irrelevant rotting corpses, Joe Lieberman

Henry Who?

Manchin definitely had the most "interesting" coalition of any Senate Democrat, that's for sure. The map was utterly bizarre.

[Progressive Pessimist]

lol @manchin endorsing Trump he only said to win reelection. The next democratic presidential candidate could be Icespear and Manchin would still endorse him.

LOL

Luckily, judging from Manchin's victory speech, he's going to vote like Elizabeth Warren for the next 6 years. Massive FF!

While I haven't had a chance to absorb all the maps, Manchin's is the funniest so far.  If you were to try to create an urban-rural divide in WV, Manchin dominated the urban(modern) while getting smoked in rural WV.  Sure it's not perfect, he did win the rotting carcass of McDowell county by a few votes, but he actually won "suburban" Putnam and did better than I expected in Berkeley.  If Manchin wanted to do something for WV he'd be best to try to help modern WV and let the rest of it go.

He's already on record as saying Trump letting Sessions go was a huge mistake (as if Trump doesn't make those on an daily/hourly basis) , so he's doesn't seem real likely.

Webb doesn't seem really relevant to anything anymore.  He views himself as the great defender of the Scot-Irish while really not doing all that well with them the one time he got elected.  I actually wonder what his name recognition is in Virginia much less beyond.

Speaking of irrelevant rotting corpses, Joe Lieberman

Henry Who?

Manchin definitely had the most "interesting" coalition of any Senate Democrat, that's for sure. The map was utterly bizarre.

It's especially ironic to see rural, #populist, West Virginians come out in droves to support Morrissey, a guy from a "coastal elitist" state like New Jersey.

[Flyersfan232]

It's not 1994 anymore.  There are not scads of Democrats who you would think were prime candidates to switch parties and bolt the national ticket as there were back then.

Personally, I think Manchin is the new Zell Miller.  He'll switch parties and endorse Trump, probably at some point in early 2020.  He's the only one really worth having, as far as being able to actually do something for Trump.

Webb might, but I doubt it.  Lieberman might, but McCain was his pal, and I can't believe Lieberman appreciates Trump's trashing McCain.  Cuellar has been a Bush-supporting Democrat, but could be a fresh Hispanic face for the Trump Team. 

What do folks think here?

I say manchin is the already a zell miller since he didnt switch parties like miller manchin only switches partys if he wants another term.

[Flyersfan232]

Manchin endorse Trump after he's made his life a living hell for the last year? Nope. As others have said, he could have switched parties years ago and cruised to the easiest reelection of his career. Instead, he stayed a Democrat. He will be a Democrat until the day he dies.

if he wants another term you can bet your ass he going to switch. and dont forget about a certain former gop senator who switch to the dem who lost a senate race in 2006

[Alabama_Indy10]

It's not 1994 anymore.  There are not scads of Democrats who you would think were prime candidates to switch parties and bolt the national ticket as there were back then.

Personally, I think Manchin is the new Zell Miller.  He'll switch parties and endorse Trump, probably at some point in early 2020.  He's the only one really worth having, as far as being able to actually do something for Trump.

Webb might, but I doubt it.  Lieberman might, but McCain was his pal, and I can't believe Lieberman appreciates Trump's trashing McCain.  Cuellar has been a Bush-supporting Democrat, but could be a fresh Hispanic face for the Trump Team. 

What do folks think here?

I say manchin is the already a zell miller since he didnt switch parties like miller manchin only switches partys if he wants another term.

He just ran for another term as a D. Seemed to work out pretty well.

[Don Vito Corleone]

Everyone in this thread talking about Manchin switching to win re-election doesn't seem to understand that Manchin would get smoked in a Republican primary.

[Don Vito Corleone]

lol @manchin endorsing Trump he only said to win reelection. The next democratic presidential candidate could be Icespear and Manchin would still endorse him.

LOL

Luckily, judging from Manchin's victory speech, he's going to vote like Elizabeth Warren for the next 6 years. Massive FF!

While I haven't had a chance to absorb all the maps, Manchin's is the funniest so far.  If you were to try to create an urban-rural divide in WV, Manchin dominated the urban(modern) while getting smoked in rural WV.  Sure it's not perfect, he did win the rotting carcass of McDowell county by a few votes, but he actually won "suburban" Putnam and did better than I expected in Berkeley.  If Manchin wanted to do something for WV he'd be best to try to help modern WV and let the rest of it go.

He's already on record as saying Trump letting Sessions go was a huge mistake (as if Trump doesn't make those on an daily/hourly basis) , so he's doesn't seem real likely.

Webb doesn't seem really relevant to anything anymore.  He views himself as the great defender of the Scot-Irish while really not doing all that well with them the one time he got elected.  I actually wonder what his name recognition is in Virginia much less beyond.

Speaking of irrelevant rotting corpses, Joe Lieberman

Henry Who?

Manchin definitely had the most "interesting" coalition of any Senate Democrat, that's for sure. The map was utterly bizarre.

IIRC Manchin is the first WV Democrat since 1928 to win a statewide election while losing Logan County.

[Flyersfan232]

It's not 1994 anymore.  There are not scads of Democrats who you would think were prime candidates to switch parties and bolt the national ticket as there were back then.

Personally, I think Manchin is the new Zell Miller.  He'll switch parties and endorse Trump, probably at some point in early 2020.  He's the only one really worth having, as far as being able to actually do something for Trump.

Webb might, but I doubt it.  Lieberman might, but McCain was his pal, and I can't believe Lieberman appreciates Trump's trashing McCain.  Cuellar has been a Bush-supporting Democrat, but could be a fresh Hispanic face for the Trump Team. 

What do folks think here?

I say manchin is the already a zell miller since he didnt switch parties like miller manchin only switches partys if he wants another term.

He just ran for another term as a D. Seemed to work out pretty well.

the worst results he had in his career had he voted against judge k he would have been btfo.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Everyone in this thread talking about Manchin switching to win re-election doesn't seem to understand that Manchin would get smoked in a Republican primary.

Miller didn't run for reelection.  He never became a Republican.  He just became a supporter of most Republicans.

[Alabama_Indy10]

It's not 1994 anymore.  There are not scads of Democrats who you would think were prime candidates to switch parties and bolt the national ticket as there were back then.

Personally, I think Manchin is the new Zell Miller.  He'll switch parties and endorse Trump, probably at some point in early 2020.  He's the only one really worth having, as far as being able to actually do something for Trump.

Webb might, but I doubt it.  Lieberman might, but McCain was his pal, and I can't believe Lieberman appreciates Trump's trashing McCain.  Cuellar has been a Bush-supporting Democrat, but could be a fresh Hispanic face for the Trump Team. 

What do folks think here?

I say manchin is the already a zell miller since he didnt switch parties like miller manchin only switches partys if he wants another term.

He just ran for another term as a D. Seemed to work out pretty well.

the worst results he had in his career had he voted against judge k he would have been btfo.

Well that’s to be expected in a state Trump won with nearly 70%. Winning there is quite an accomplishment. And about Kavanaugh, he knew that. That’s at least partly why he voted for him.

[adrac]

Joe Lieberman supported Bob Stefanowski

Holy Joe must be seething that Lamont is his governor now, absolutely livid. lmao

I fcking hope so.

[Mike Thick]

Lieberman seems like he's memey enough to do an "I'm a Democrat... but this party has gone too far left" editorial in the WSJ and swear to vote Republican up and down the ballot for the rest of his life

[Person Man]

Lieberman seems like he's memey enough to do an "I'm a Democrat... but this party has gone too far left" editorial in the WSJ and swear to vote Republican up and down the ballot for the rest of his life

As if he didn't know what he signed up for in the beginning.

[Torrain]

Lieberman seems like he's memey enough to do an "I'm a Democrat... but this party has gone too far left" editorial in the WSJ and swear to vote Republican up and down the ballot for the rest of his life

As if he didn't know what he signed up for in the beginning.

The guy started his Senate career by challenging a liberal Republican from the right, charging him as ‘too loberal’, so I wouldn’t put it past him.