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« Reply #1325 on: April 07, 2022, 10:43:19 AM »

Who wants to write something about NRW Environment Minister Ursula Heinen-Esser (CDU), who has just announced to step down?



I hope Federal Gender Minister Anne Spiegel (Greens) is going to follow suit.
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« Reply #1326 on: April 21, 2022, 01:12:35 AM »
« Edited: April 21, 2022, 05:20:25 AM by Astatine »



Absolutely believable result, Günther is extremely popular, this result perfectly goes in line with the results from Saarland, M-V, Saxony-Anhalt and RLP. Black-Yellow at 47%, Red-Green at 36% - CDU/FDP even with a majority. Not common these days (outlier for now, but certainly not impossible).

62% would vote for Günther directly, 10% for Green top candidate Heinold, 8% for SPD candidate Losse-Müller. Unlike in Saarland, the SPD candidate is an absolute no name - even a plurality of SPD voters would opt for Günther. Likely CDU for now, close to safe.

Approvals/disapprovals:
Günther (CDU) 76/16
Heinold (Grüne) 40/19
Buchholz (FDP) 33/18
Harms (SSW) 25/12
Losse-Müller (SPD) 15/14
Nobis (AfD) 12/16

Government (CDU/Grüne/FDP) approval:
75% satisfied
22% dissatisfied

Full poll: https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig-holstein/landtagswahl_2022/NDR-Umfrage-in-SH-CDU-vor-SPD-und-Gruene-Abstand-waechst,umfrage1294.html
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« Reply #1327 on: April 21, 2022, 05:43:08 AM »

Has there been any recent polling on Mecklenburg-Vorpommern? Yeah is somewhat of a backwater in terms of population size, and yes it's a ways off from a election, but given recent events it might be interesting to see what the people think - especially since the SPD has been dominant here for 20ish years.
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« Reply #1328 on: April 21, 2022, 06:06:30 AM »

Has there been any recent polling on Mecklenburg-Vorpommern? Yeah is somewhat of a backwater in terms of population size, and yes it's a ways off from a election, but given recent events it might be interesting to see what the people think - especially since the SPD has been dominant here for 20ish years.


Forsa, March 24, 2022:

SPD: 34%
AfD: 16%
CDU: 16%
Linke: 12%
Grüne: 7%
FDP: 5%
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« Reply #1329 on: April 25, 2022, 12:56:20 PM »

Anke Rehlinger was elected Minister-President of Saarland today, with 32/51 votes. The other three votes came from AfD.

Guess that's their form of trolling to counter the talking point that one shouldn't accept an election when getting voted in thanks to them. Which ofc didn't technically happen, since Rehlinger had a solid majority on her own (unlike Kemmerich in Thuringia 2020), but trolls be trolls.
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« Reply #1330 on: April 28, 2022, 11:19:47 AM »



CDU/FDP at 47%, SPD/Greens/AfD/SSW combined at 45%

AfD just barely above the threshold, it could be the first state parliament with AfD dropping out.

Preferred party as head of government:
CDU 46%
SPD 22%
Greens 14%

Politician satisfaction:
Günther (CDU) 74%
Heinold (Greens) 38%
Buchholz (FDP) 33%
Harms (SSW) 23%
Losse-Müller (SPD) 18%
Nobis (AfD) 9%

Preferred Minister-President:
Günther 61%
Heinold 10%
Losse-Müller 9%
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« Reply #1331 on: April 28, 2022, 12:20:40 PM »

Any particular reason why the Schleswig-Holstein Union would prefer the FDP over the Greens, or visa versa? The government right now is Jamaica after all.

The other major contest is looking like a repeat of 2017, just with the FDP and Greens swapping positions. Union and SPD in a tight photo finish, Linke having no chance at entry, and AfD at a middling and irrelevant 7-8%.
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« Reply #1332 on: April 28, 2022, 03:37:03 PM »

Any particular reason why the Schleswig-Holstein Union would prefer the FDP over the Greens, or visa versa? The government right now is Jamaica after all.
CDU is generally closest to FDP and SPD closest to Greens, but classical bloc division is a thing of the past now. You will barely have any election where Red-Green or Black-Yellow gets a majority, most of those elections are flukes (NRW 2017) or special circumstances (Hamburg 2020, being a very left-wing city in general). Ofc there are exceptions to the rule, but in general if there is a chance, CDU and FDP as well as SPD and Greens find together. In S-H, CDU and FDP have a long tradition of governing and cooperating together, so if black-yellow gets a majority on its own, it's likely to be formed. Jamaica was more of a forced choice because nobody wanted a GroKo and neither black-yellow nor black-green had an own majority. But they've been working along well in the past years.

If black-green gets a majority but black-yellow doesn't, it's the most probable option.
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« Reply #1333 on: April 28, 2022, 03:55:09 PM »

NRW state election a week later is going to be a lot more interesting, where the polls continue to be neck-in-neck.
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« Reply #1334 on: May 03, 2022, 03:55:36 AM »

Any particular reason why the Schleswig-Holstein Union would prefer the FDP over the Greens, or visa versa? The government right now is Jamaica after all.

The other major contest is looking like a repeat of 2017, just with the FDP and Greens swapping positions. Union and SPD in a tight photo finish, Linke having no chance at entry, and AfD at a middling and irrelevant 7-8%.

Governor Günther said he wanted to maintain the Jamaika coalition even in case only two parties are necessary in order to form a government; that very rare kind of "oversized coalition" currently exists in Saxony-Anhalt.
Both the Greens and the FDP, however, already declined Günther's offer.
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« Reply #1335 on: May 03, 2022, 05:07:33 AM »


CDU/FDP at 47%, SPD/Greens/AfD/SSW combined at 45%

AfD just barely above the threshold, it could be the first state parliament with AfD dropping out.

Preferred party as head of government:
CDU 46%
SPD 22%
Greens 14%

Politician satisfaction:
Günther (CDU) 74%
Heinold (Greens) 38%
Buchholz (FDP) 33%
Harms (SSW) 23%
Losse-Müller (SPD) 18%
Nobis (AfD) 9%

Preferred Minister-President:
Günther 61%
Heinold 10%
Losse-Müller 9%
What happend to linke ?
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« Reply #1336 on: May 03, 2022, 05:18:49 AM »


CDU/FDP at 47%, SPD/Greens/AfD/SSW combined at 45%

AfD just barely above the threshold, it could be the first state parliament with AfD dropping out.

Preferred party as head of government:
CDU 46%
SPD 22%
Greens 14%

Politician satisfaction:
Günther (CDU) 74%
Heinold (Greens) 38%
Buchholz (FDP) 33%
Harms (SSW) 23%
Losse-Müller (SPD) 18%
Nobis (AfD) 9%

Preferred Minister-President:
Günther 61%
Heinold 10%
Losse-Müller 9%
What happend to linke ?
Dropped out of the S-H Landtag in 2012 and never recovered.
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« Reply #1337 on: May 03, 2022, 05:22:09 AM »


CDU/FDP at 47%, SPD/Greens/AfD/SSW combined at 45%

AfD just barely above the threshold, it could be the first state parliament with AfD dropping out.

Preferred party as head of government:
CDU 46%
SPD 22%
Greens 14%

Politician satisfaction:
Günther (CDU) 74%
Heinold (Greens) 38%
Buchholz (FDP) 33%
Harms (SSW) 23%
Losse-Müller (SPD) 18%
Nobis (AfD) 9%

Preferred Minister-President:
Günther 61%
Heinold 10%
Losse-Müller 9%
What happend to linke ?
Dropped out of the S-H Landtag in 2012 and never recovered.
How many more Landtag's are they going to drop out off ? I've heard the party is edging around the abyss right now ?
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« Reply #1338 on: May 08, 2022, 11:02:21 AM »



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« Reply #1339 on: May 08, 2022, 11:02:29 AM »


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« Reply #1340 on: May 08, 2022, 11:05:32 AM »

CDU-Greens, CDU-FDP and even CDU-SSW with a majority if AfD remains out. ARD suggests CDU is one seat short of an absolute majority.
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« Reply #1341 on: May 08, 2022, 11:06:10 AM »

This seems like a CDU outperformance relative to pre-election polls.
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« Reply #1342 on: May 08, 2022, 11:13:14 AM »
« Edited: May 08, 2022, 11:31:58 AM by Oryxslayer »

Would be a very peculiar set of elections if first a popular SPD candidate wins a majority in Saarland, then a popular CDU incumbent wins a majority in S-S-H, then the two parties effectively tie in NR-W.
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« Reply #1343 on: May 08, 2022, 11:36:48 AM »

Would be a very peculiar set of elections if first a popular SPD candidate wins a majority in Saarland, then a popular CDU incumbent wins a majority in S-S-H, then the two parties effectively tie in NR-W.

Pretty normal for German state elections, really.
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« Reply #1344 on: May 08, 2022, 11:37:45 AM »

Is this the first time AfD has not been elected to a state parliament since the refugee crisis?
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« Reply #1345 on: May 08, 2022, 11:46:37 AM »

Is this the first time AfD has not been elected to a state parliament since the refugee crisis?
Yup, though in the 2020 Hamburg state elections, exit polls initially saw them out too. In Saarland and Thuringia the last precinct to report decided the fate of Greens and FDP.
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« Reply #1346 on: May 08, 2022, 12:15:25 PM »



AfD out, Union a bit off of a majority.
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« Reply #1347 on: May 08, 2022, 01:15:41 PM »

This seems like a CDU outperformance relative to pre-election polls.
As soon as it became clear Habeck wasn't going to be the Green candidate (why would he have been?) this election turned into a classic German case of 'nice competent drama-free incumbent PM flattens relatively anonymous competition', so that's not really a surprise.
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« Reply #1348 on: May 08, 2022, 01:22:32 PM »
« Edited: May 08, 2022, 01:26:49 PM by Ellie Rowsell »

The one actually interesting thing about this election is the big SSW improvement. Was it more mobilising Danish-speakers, soaking up floating leftish voters, or a little of both?
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« Reply #1349 on: May 08, 2022, 01:37:40 PM »

The one actually interesting thing about this election is the big SSW improvement. Was it more mobilising Danish-speakers, soaking up floating leftish voters, or a little of both?

On the constituency level, it seems SSW improved everywhere, including in places where they did not run a constituency (direct vote) candidate, like Dithmarschen and Ostholstein.
They also improved in places with actual Danish speakers like Flensburg-Land, but soaking up protest voters must have been key.
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