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« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2018, 12:47:04 PM »

This is my last post of the day, but I will end with this: If Evers does indeed win, then I will be regarding MU Law as Walker's secret R internal from now on!

I can't wait until the vaguely subpar Emerson poll gets released this Friday, which will most likely show Evers with a lead! Also, Suffolk might be releasing a poll for WI soon, too!
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« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2018, 12:47:43 PM »

This is off:



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« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2018, 12:48:14 PM »

Hopefully this is the year Marquette's reputation is utterly destroyed.

Selzer is going to be discredited completely this year.

You know, IceSpear, I don't go and dig up every wrong thing you said during 2016, of which there were very many, including your prejudiced railings against the people of West Virginia. I don't because you are such a tedious bore who is not worth a fraction of the effort.
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« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2018, 12:48:29 PM »

Nope they just refuse to herd with lower quality pollsters.
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« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2018, 12:48:58 PM »

What I want to know is...why are people so quick to denigrate Marquette when they are a state institution?
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« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2018, 12:49:21 PM »

What I want to know is...why are people so quick to denigrate Marquette when they are a state institution?

As a alum of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, I am required to hate all things Marquette.
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« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2018, 12:49:58 PM »

This is my last post of the day, but I will end with this: If Evers does indeed win, then I will be regarding MU Law as Walker's secret R internal from now on!

I can't wait until the vaguely subpar Emerson poll gets released this Friday, which will most likely show Evers with a lead! Also, Suffolk might be releasing a poll for WI soon, too!
So, basically, you're just waiting for more favourable numbers from pollsters you admit are of lower quality?
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« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2018, 12:52:22 PM »

Favorables are about the same:

Evers - 42/41
Walker - 48/49

Not a good sign this close to Election Day how many people still have no opinion on Evers
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« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2018, 12:52:36 PM »

Hopefully this is the year Marquette's reputation is utterly destroyed.

Selzer is going to be discredited completely this year.

You know, IceSpear, I don't go and dig up every wrong thing you said during 2016, of which there were very many, including your prejudiced railings against the people of West Virginia. I don't because you are such a tedious bore who is not worth a fraction of the effort.

No, the point isn't that you were wrong. The point is you haven't learned a lesson from dismissing a gold standard poll simply because you dislike the result. It's especially strange because this result isn't even particularly bad for the Democrats. Did you seriously think Evers was going to win by double digits? lol
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« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2018, 12:53:19 PM »

This is my last post of the day, but I will end with this: If Evers does indeed win, then I will be regarding MU Law as Walker's secret R internal from now on!

I can't wait until the vaguely subpar Emerson poll gets released this Friday, which will most likely show Evers with a lead! Also, Suffolk might be releasing a poll for WI soon, too!

That is not logical. There is clearly a margin of error here and this poll result is a tie. If Evers wins by 6-7, then yes, this poll will have been way off. But if he wins by 2-3, this poll was not bad. I think you're reading this as a Walker win when it's not.
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« Reply #60 on: October 31, 2018, 12:53:35 PM »

Favorables are about the same:

Evers - 42/41
Walker - 48/49

Not a good sign this close to Election Day how many people still have no opinion on Evers
I didn't have much of an opinion on Todd Young in 2016, yet I voted for him anyway.  Guess what?  He won in a landslide.

This is my last post of the day, but I will end with this: If Evers does indeed win, then I will be regarding MU Law as Walker's secret R internal from now on!

I can't wait until the vaguely subpar Emerson poll gets released this Friday, which will most likely show Evers with a lead! Also, Suffolk might be releasing a poll for WI soon, too!

That is not logical. There is clearly a margin of error here and this poll result is a tie. If Evers wins by 6-7, then yes, this poll will have been way off. But if he wins by 2-3, this poll was not bad. I think you're reading this as a Walker win when it's not.
Exactly.  This race is going to be a pure base turnout election, with a few moderates and undecideds thrown in.

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« Reply #61 on: October 31, 2018, 12:54:05 PM »

Hopefully this is the year Marquette's reputation is utterly destroyed.

Selzer is going to be discredited completely this year.

You know, IceSpear, I don't go and dig up every wrong thing you said during 2016, of which there were very many, including your prejudiced railings against the people of West Virginia. I don't because you are such a tedious bore who is not worth a fraction of the effort.

No, the point isn't that you were wrong. The point is you haven't learned a lesson from dismissing a gold standard poll simply because you dislike the result. It's especially strange because this result isn't even particularly bad for the Democrats. Did you seriously think Evers was going to win by double digits? lol

I have to agree with Ebsy here, that is pretty weird IceSpear.
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« Reply #62 on: October 31, 2018, 12:54:46 PM »

Favorables are about the same:

Evers - 42/41
Walker - 48/49

Not a good sign this close to Election Day how many people still have no opinion on Evers
Yep, meanwhile High Energy Walker still has that magic he had all 3 times he won (especially 2012 against all odds).
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« Reply #63 on: October 31, 2018, 12:54:51 PM »

This is my last post of the day, but I will end with this: If Evers does indeed win, then I will be regarding MU Law as Walker's secret R internal from now on!

I can't wait until the vaguely subpar Emerson poll gets released this Friday, which will most likely show Evers with a lead! Also, Suffolk might be releasing a poll for WI soon, too!

That is not logical. There is clearly a margin of error here and this poll result is a tie. If Evers wins by 6-7, then yes, this poll will have been way off. But if he wins by 2-3, this poll was not bad. I think you're reading this as a Walker win when it's not.

Fair enough.
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« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2018, 12:55:36 PM »

Ok, so people are spinning this as a good result for Walker? Marquette has found better numbers for him then any other poll this cycle, and they only had Evers up once.
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« Reply #65 on: October 31, 2018, 12:55:49 PM »

Breakdown of the major groups:

White Males w/o Degree: Walker +19 | Vukmir +13
White Males w/ Degree: Walker +5 | Baldwin +3
White Females w/o Degree: Evers +5 | Baldwin + 16
White Females w/ Degree: Evers +12 | Baldwin +27
Non-white or Hispanic: Evers +16 | Baldwin +35
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« Reply #66 on: October 31, 2018, 12:56:08 PM »

Hopefully this is the year Marquette's reputation is utterly destroyed.

Selzer is going to be discredited completely this year.

You know, IceSpear, I don't go and dig up every wrong thing you said during 2016, of which there were very many, including your prejudiced railings against the people of West Virginia. I don't because you are such a tedious bore who is not worth a fraction of the effort.

No, the point isn't that you were wrong. The point is you haven't learned a lesson from dismissing a gold standard poll simply because you dislike the result. It's especially strange because this result isn't even particularly bad for the Democrats. Did you seriously think Evers was going to win by double digits? lol

If I do (which I don't) and I am wrong, who care. Get a life.
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« Reply #67 on: October 31, 2018, 12:58:07 PM »

Ok, so people are spinning this as a good result for Walker? Marquette has found better numbers for him then any other poll this cycle, and they only had Evers up once.
It's only a week left and the poll was taken during a particularly Dem-favouring news cycle.
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« Reply #68 on: October 31, 2018, 01:00:56 PM »


Let's compare these to 2016, shall we?

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Trump won this group by a 23% margin last time.

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Clinton and Trump tied with this group.

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Trump won this demographic by 16%.

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Clinton won this group by 23%.

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Clinton won this group by 55%.

So, some good and some bad for each candidate.  Evers has cut into the white non-college men slightly and has made significant inroads with non-college women.  However, Walker has made dents of his own with college-educated white men and women, as well as with non-whites.
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« Reply #69 on: October 31, 2018, 01:03:46 PM »

I am very concerned with this poll's sample of non-white voters. Yes, Wisconsin is a very white state, but there is no way that Walker is getting 37% of non-white voters or Vukmir getting 30%. I've looked at the precinct numbers for the entire decade in the City of Milwaukee (where like 90% of non-whites in the state live) and Republicans are lucky to get over 10% in those places typically.
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« Reply #70 on: October 31, 2018, 01:04:58 PM »


Let's compare these to 2016, shall we?

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Clinton and Trump tied with this group.

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Clinton won this group by 23%.

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Clinton won this group by 55%.

So, some good and some bad for each candidate.  Evers has cut into the white non-college men slightly and has made significant inroads with non-college women.  However, Walker has made dents of his own with college-educated white men and women, as well as with non-whites.


Don't oversell these shifts. The MOEs around these are pretty big, and your comparing to exit polls.
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« Reply #71 on: October 31, 2018, 01:09:26 PM »

I am very concerned with this poll's sample of non-white voters. Yes, Wisconsin is a very white state, but there is no way that Walker is getting 37% of non-white voters or Vukmir getting 30%. I've looked at the precinct numbers for the entire decade in the City of Milwaukee (where like 90% of non-whites in the state live) and Republicans are lucky to get over 10% in those places typically.

I know I said my last post would be my last on this thread, but I must say the crosstabs seem really off!
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« Reply #72 on: October 31, 2018, 01:09:43 PM »

Breakdown of the major groups:

White Males w/o Degree: Walker +19 | Vukmir +13
White Males w/ Degree: Walker +5 | Baldwin +3
White Females w/o Degree: Evers +5 | Baldwin + 16
White Females w/ Degree: Evers +12 | Baldwin +27
Non-white or Hispanic: Evers +16 | Baldwin +35
This is likely due to a small number of respondents. In their last poll, Walker led among Hispanics by 18 points. The n for that subsample was 20.
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« Reply #73 on: October 31, 2018, 01:09:55 PM »


Let's compare these to 2016, shall we?

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Trump won this group by a 23% margin last time.

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Clinton and Trump tied with this group.

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Trump won this demographic by 16%.

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Clinton won this group by 23%.

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Clinton won this group by 55%.

So, some good and some bad for each candidate.  Evers has cut into the white non-college men slightly and has made significant inroads with non-college women.  However, Walker has made dents of his own with college-educated white men and women, as well as with non-whites.

Yep, and with college educated being more likely to vote...easy win.
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« Reply #74 on: October 31, 2018, 01:10:08 PM »

FWIW they also polled registered voters and found Walker + 3 in that group
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