For those who wish US entered WW2 earlier to stop Holocaust...

[Blue3]

For those who wish the United States entered World War II, against Nazi Germany, earlier in order to stop the Holocaust (assuming it became news) and other humans rights abuses by Hitler's Nazi government against its own people...

...and you DIDN'T support the US intervening in Libya to stop Gadhafi's planned massacre of Benghazi...

...and you DIDN'T support the US intervening in Syria to stop the hundreds of thousands that Assad HAS massacred since 2011/2012...


What's the difference? How do you justify that? Genuinely interested in learning.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Mummy is going to give you a couple of tablets, then you are going to lie down.

[PSOL]

For those who wish the United States entered World War II, against Nazi Germany, earlier in order to stop the Holocaust (assuming it became news) and other humans rights abuses by Hitler's Nazi government against its own people...

...and you DIDN'T support the US intervening in Libya to stop Gadhafi's planned massacre of Benghazi...

...and you DIDN'T support the US intervening in Syria to stop the hundreds of thousands that Assad HAS massacred since 2011/2012...


What's the difference? How do you justify that? Genuinely interested in learning.

The only policy in the Middle East is Chaos for the U.S., going back to supporting the Mujihadeen. Whether directly or indirectly, on purpose or not, every action done in the region by imperialist powers has helped turned the region into the current bloodbath.

Our military leadership turned a blind eye in Syria to our heavy arms being traded to Al-Qaeda franchises from the disorganized tribal band called the FSA. What was even worse was that we didn’t stop the arms flows from the gulf states, later used by the IS offshoot. We also went into Libya blindly without any care as to what is the endgame.

That is just recent history. I could go on about the 1953 Ajax coup or allowing Pakistan to run the arms transfers during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Our leadership clearly has no idea what it is doing, nor does it care. The only ones caring are those that saw their country turn into Islamist republics or no mans land. In fact, with free elections in Iraq after protests from the Shia majority, voted for the ones that hate the U.S. the most.

Tell me, why don’t you hear a lot of chatter about Yemen, famines and all. Because the United States is complicit in not bringing the sides to the peace table, only to sell weapons for investor shares.

[dead0man]

The only policy in the Middle East is Chaos for the U.S., going back to supporting the Mujihadeen. Whether directly or indirectly, on purpose or not, every action done in the region by imperialist powers has helped turned the region into the current bloodbath.

Our military leadership turned a blind eye in Syria to our heavy arms being traded to Al-Qaeda franchises from the disorganized tribal band called the FSA. What was even worse was that we didn’t stop the arms flows from the gulf states, later used by the IS offshoot. We also went into Libya blindly without any care as to what is the endgame.

That is just recent history. I could go on about the 1953 Ajax coup or allowing Pakistan to run the arms transfers during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Our leadership clearly has no idea what it is doing, nor does it care. The only ones caring are those that saw their country turn into Islamist republics or no mans land. In fact, with free elections in Iraq after protests from the Shia majority, voted for the ones that hate the U.S. the most.

Tell me, why don’t you hear a lot of chatter about Yemen, famines and all. Because the United States is complicit in not bringing the sides to the peace table, only to sell weapons for investor shares.

So we're good at helping Europeans, mixed bag at helping east Asians and just horrible at the various Muslims.....are we sure it's us that's the problem?  Do the people that keep murdering each other share any fault in it?  Maybe if the Iraqis in 2007 had acted like the Germans and Japanese did in 1948 they'd be in a better place now?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

There's one problem with this scenario. First off, the "final solution" (planned mass extermination) only started to taking place by 1941, when the United States was already embroiled in the war in all but name (land-lease, aid to the Soviets, undeclared war against the u-boats on Atlantic).

Second, really few people realized by then the sheer extend of Nazi genocidal plans. And many, when confronted with hard evidence (Karski reports) were hesitant to believe that. Sure everybody knew Jews are being prosecuted, deported and killed in large numbers, but planned mass extermination was yet to become known. And when it did, the U.S. was already at war.

[PSOL]

The only policy in the Middle East is Chaos for the U.S., going back to supporting the Mujihadeen. Whether directly or indirectly, on purpose or not, every action done in the region by imperialist powers has helped turned the region into the current bloodbath.

Our military leadership turned a blind eye in Syria to our heavy arms being traded to Al-Qaeda franchises from the disorganized tribal band called the FSA. What was even worse was that we didn’t stop the arms flows from the gulf states, later used by the IS offshoot. We also went into Libya blindly without any care as to what is the endgame.

That is just recent history. I could go on about the 1953 Ajax coup or allowing Pakistan to run the arms transfers during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Our leadership clearly has no idea what it is doing, nor does it care. The only ones caring are those that saw their country turn into Islamist republics or no mans land. In fact, with free elections in Iraq after protests from the Shia majority, voted for the ones that hate the U.S. the most.

Tell me, why don’t you hear a lot of chatter about Yemen, famines and all. Because the United States is complicit in not bringing the sides to the peace table, only to sell weapons for investor shares.

So we're good at helping Europeans, mixed bag at helping east Asians and just horrible at the various Muslims.....are we sure it's us that's the problem?  Do the people that keep murdering each other share any fault in it?  Maybe if the Iraqis in 2007 had acted like the Germans and Japanese did in 1948 they'd be in a better place now?

U.S. intervention in the region is what brought Wahhabism to the limelight. We decided allying with a petro state for anti communism would work out. All it’s done is bring the current blowback. Iran would still be a democracy and a United Arab State would exist.

Also you forget how militarily exhausted and unsupportive of the German Reichs the civilians were. Japanese elite mainly sided with us to avoid a Soviet invasion. You think that they accepted the Americans with open arms? The invaders whose soldiers started raping and pillaging civilians during peacetime?

In Iraq, the last popular alternative were the Islamists who hate us. Iraq is going to move closer to Iran, or at least turn a blind eye to troop movements through its territory, all because of GWB wanting to seal his legacy. Syria has already turned sour, ushering in a new wave of Fascism all over Europe.

[Silent Hunter]

Would sitting there and doing nothing during the brutal Soviet campaign in Afghanistan have improved things? Much of the reason that country is that way is the result of the Soviet invasion.

[PSOL]

Would sitting there and doing nothing during the brutal Soviet campaign in Afghanistan have improved things? Much of the reason that country is that way is the result of the Soviet invasion.

No, it is due to Pakistani arming Hekmayatar and more sectarian forces over the more inclusive forces of Ahmed Shah Masssoud.

[dead0man]

Afghanistan has always been the way it is now.  It's a tough land and a tough people that don't take kindly to strangers coming in and telling them what to do.  They ain't wrong and they ain't right, they just are what they are.  Trying to say this outside person or group is to more to blame than another for what's wrong in Afghanistan (or Iraq or Syria or whatever) is a fool's game.  There is plenty of blame to go around going back to before Alexander.

[Hammy]

Syria and Libya are, unfortunately, "merely" (for lack of a better way of putting it, as I'm not justifying it) the way modern wars are fought, bombing civilians in areas where enemy resistance is present and no different in fact from how the US even conducts war.

And that said, they don't even come close to comparing to a war that was launched with the explicit purpose of eliminating an entire race of people from existence, with Hitler being at war with the civilian populace themselves.