MO-SEN: Hawley +7 in internal, McCaskill DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMED
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« on: October 24, 2018, 11:03:57 AM »

Hawley 49
McCaskill 42

OnMessage (R) internal

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/claire-mccaskill-on-the-ropes-per-fresh-poll-from-josh-hawley

538 House effect adjusts it to Hawley +1.2
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2018, 11:06:04 AM »

Obviously exaggerated, but this much of a lead in an internal is enough to suggest that Hawley is slightly ahead.
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2018, 11:07:02 AM »
« Edited: October 24, 2018, 11:10:06 AM by Zaybay »

Really wish I had a good old poll of this race that wasnt an R internal, because the last 2-3 polls have been. All I can gleam is that McCaskill is slightly down in a completely tossup race, but I have no idea on the margins, or anything.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2018, 11:07:24 AM »

Exaggerated, but it should be obvious to everyone that McCaskill is in big trouble.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2018, 11:10:22 AM »

Exaggerated, but it should be obvious to everyone that McCaskill is in big trouble.

Yeah, she would be Blanched in a Clinton midterm.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2018, 11:11:12 AM »

I wouldn’t be surprised by any result from Hawley +2 to McCaskill +2
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2018, 11:11:29 AM »

I wonder which I believe, all the public polling which shows a tied race, or an internal from the same people who show Scott up by a similar margin in Florida.
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2018, 11:21:21 AM »

Didn't we used to have an internal megathread back in 2014/2016? I guess it's pointless now since it's so late, but...why don't we have one this year?
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2018, 11:28:08 AM »

She probably is unironically doomed. We haven’t seen a lead from her in over a month

Remington is a pretty good pollster in MO and their numbers haven't budged at all since July. Every poll they've had has Hawley up 1-2 points. How is that "doomed?"
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2018, 11:35:36 AM »

She probably is unironically doomed. We haven’t seen a lead from her in over a month

Remington is a pretty good pollster in MO and their numbers haven't budged at all since July. Every poll they've had has Hawley up 1-2 points. How is that "doomed?"

Right. It’ll all - bold statement - come down to a turnout game, I think. Will be super close either way
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2018, 11:44:14 AM »

She probably is unironically doomed. We haven’t seen a lead from her in over a month

Remington is a pretty good pollster in MO and their numbers haven't budged at all since July. Every poll they've had has Hawley up 1-2 points. How is that "doomed?"

I think the undecideds are probably racist hicks who don’t think Hawley is racist enough. But really I’m just setting my expectations of voters exceedingly low until they prove me wrong

LOL, I mean it's Missouri, so that's a plausible theory I guess...
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2018, 11:55:21 AM »

Lean R.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2018, 11:58:56 AM »

Adds to my theory that Hawley is up 2 to 3 with most of the undecideds being conservative leaning
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2018, 11:59:28 AM »

This is going to be one of those races that come down to the wire.
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2018, 12:00:38 PM »

Hawley's got the advantage right now but this is an internal and McCaskill's a good closer. Still think AirClaire pulls this one out.
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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2018, 12:15:20 PM »

Hawley's got the advantage right now but this is an internal and McCaskill's a good closer. Still think AirClaire pulls this one out.

What suggests McCaskill is a closer? The only outfit to poll the 2012 race twice this late was PPP, and they had her lead shrinking.
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2018, 12:17:02 PM »

Hawley's got the advantage right now but this is an internal and McCaskill's a good closer. Still think AirClaire pulls this one out.

What suggests McCaskill is a closer? The only outfit to poll the 2012 race twice this late was PPP, and they had her lead shrinking.
McCaskill seems to always be vulnerable, but closes the deal somehow. With that said, this race still remains a tossup, perhaps slight edge to Hawley, which can be easily overcome.
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2018, 12:20:01 PM »

I would be surprised of Hawley wins by that much, but right now my rating for this race would be Tilt R. This pollster does have a historical Republican bias of 1.1%, so I would adjust it down to Hawley +6.

Nonetheless, I have heard reports that Hawley's internals are very consistently showing him in the lead, and most publicly released polls in the last month have corroborated that. Although it may very well be that campaigns tend only release their best internals, thus leading to some apparent bias, I think it's wrong to assume that all internals inherently favor the candidate paying for them. After all, the candidate more than anyone else has the most need for an accurate picture of the race. If they're being fed biased and rose-tinted polls, they're only harming themselves.

My guess at this moment is somewhere around Hawley +2.
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2018, 12:22:19 PM »
« Edited: October 24, 2018, 12:29:43 PM by AMB1996 »

Hawley's got the advantage right now but this is an internal and McCaskill's a good closer. Still think AirClaire pulls this one out.

What suggests McCaskill is a closer? The only outfit to poll the 2012 race twice this late was PPP, and they had her lead shrinking.

McCaskill seems to always be vulnerable, but closes the deal somehow. With that said, this race still remains a tossup, perhaps slight edge to Hawley, which can be easily overcome.

That doesn't make her a closer; it just makes her the person who got to run against Todd Akin.

Additional info: In 2004, it was also around this time that she began to slip further behind Blunt. The only race where she clearly expanded her polling advantage from this point forward was 2006, and that could be attributed to the national wave for Democrats. She still underperformed most of the late polling in that race.

I would be surprised of Hawley wins by that much, but right now my rating for this race would be Tilt R. This pollster does have a historical Republican bias of 1.1%, so I would adjust it down to Hawley +6.

Nonetheless, I have heard reports that Hawley's internals are very consistently showing him in the lead, and most publicly released polls in the last month have corroborated that. Although it may very well be that campaigns tend only release their best internals, thus leading to some apparent bias, I think it's wrong to assume that all internals inherently favor the candidate paying for them. After all, the candidate more than anyone else has the most need for an accurate picture of the race. If they're being fed biased and rose-tinted polls, they're only harming themselves.

My guess at this moment is somewhere around Hawley +2.

The issue isn't that the polls are inaccurate, just that they might be withholding polls to influence the race.
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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2018, 12:26:00 PM »

Literally one of the worst internal posters of this year (what a 13 point swing difference in Florida between this firm and reputable public polling) throw this in the trash and pray we get a decent pollster
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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2018, 12:50:00 PM »

Hawley's got the advantage right now but this is an internal and McCaskill's a good closer. Still think AirClaire pulls this one out.

What suggests McCaskill is a closer? The only outfit to poll the 2012 race twice this late was PPP, and they had her lead shrinking.

McCaskill seems to always be vulnerable, but closes the deal somehow. With that said, this race still remains a tossup, perhaps slight edge to Hawley, which can be easily overcome.

That doesn't make her a closer; it just makes her the person who got to run against Todd Akin.

Additional info: In 2004, it was also around this time that she began to slip further behind Blunt. The only race where she clearly expanded her polling advantage from this point forward was 2006, and that could be attributed to the national wave for Democrats. She still underperformed most of the late polling in that race.

I would be surprised of Hawley wins by that much, but right now my rating for this race would be Tilt R. This pollster does have a historical Republican bias of 1.1%, so I would adjust it down to Hawley +6.

Nonetheless, I have heard reports that Hawley's internals are very consistently showing him in the lead, and most publicly released polls in the last month have corroborated that. Although it may very well be that campaigns tend only release their best internals, thus leading to some apparent bias, I think it's wrong to assume that all internals inherently favor the candidate paying for them. After all, the candidate more than anyone else has the most need for an accurate picture of the race. If they're being fed biased and rose-tinted polls, they're only harming themselves.

My guess at this moment is somewhere around Hawley +2.

The issue isn't that the polls are inaccurate, just that they might be withholding polls to influence the race.

That's pretty much what I said: "Although it may very well be that campaigns tend only release their best internals, thus leading to some apparent bias ..."

All campaigns have a tendency to publicize the internals that show them with the best numbers, which can lead to a apparent bias relative to the final results. But even though this particular poll might be exaggerated slightly, everything I've heard indicates that Hawley is clearly leading the polls.
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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2018, 01:01:07 PM »

Not too reputable. Tossup remains a tossup. But I'd be more surprised if McCaskill wins than if Hawley wins.
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2018, 01:21:18 PM »

MO Tossup -> Lean R, based on demographics, etc.
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2018, 02:55:30 PM »

It's more tilt rep I guess
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2018, 04:34:02 PM »

omg.. calm down everyone.

Even I do not believe this poll. I believe Hawley will win by a hair but there is no doubt McCaskill is in a very dicey situation. She is not popular and Democrats may have been better off if she retired.
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