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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2018, 04:57:27 PM »

Putin and Trump have a good relationship.

Big deal.

You are reading way too much into this and are way too easily offended when people dont agree with your analysis.
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2018, 03:57:59 AM »
« Edited: November 13, 2018, 04:39:45 AM by Proto »



As far as I can see, a Gallup poll from '17 shows him around 80% approval.
This information is completely incorrect. His current (October 2018) rating is 45%. This is common knowledge in Russia.
https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-45741068
Another piece of pro Putin' s propaganda, fake high ratings.

Dude, I don't know if you have any issues, but calm down.

Gallup is an American consulting agency that publishes in-depth polls on a lot of issues.

In 2017 they published a huge poll on a lot of different topics (http://www.gallup-international.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2017_Global-Leaders.pdf), and Putin's approval rating was almost 80%.

I don't know what it is in 2018, but the poll I cited is not "fake ratings".
Dude, I would strongly advice to read Russian polls. According to ВЦИОМ (fully controlled by federal government) Putin's rating was about 85%  in 2014, when he occupied Crimea https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2014/05/15/vciom-rejting-doveriya-putina-dostig-859. Since 2016 it has been steadily dropping to reach 45% in 2018. More indipendent Levada Center gives 37%.  https://www.levada.ru/2018/10/08/doverie-pyatoj-chasti-rossiyan-poteryal-vladimir-putin-za-proshedshij-god  
In December 2017 according to ВЦИОМ his rating was 74% https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-42892410
I don't know why Gallup provides fake ratings. Perhaps it was infiltrated by Putin's agents. Even Russian agencies   give a more truthful picture.
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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2018, 04:41:50 AM »

The idea that Putin uses, on purpose and with planning, "mind games" on people to get them to do what he want's shouldn't be shocking at all.  What is shocking, at least to me, is that more politicians don't utilize such techniques.  I suppose some do, and are just so good at both doing it and hiding the trail that they are doing it, that we don't know they are doing it.
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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2018, 06:54:58 AM »



As far as I can see, a Gallup poll from '17 shows him around 80% approval.
This information is completely incorrect. His current (October 2018) rating is 45%. This is common knowledge in Russia.
https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-45741068
Another piece of pro Putin' s propaganda, fake high ratings.

Dude, I don't know if you have any issues, but calm down.

Gallup is an American consulting agency that publishes in-depth polls on a lot of issues.

In 2017 they published a huge poll on a lot of different topics (http://www.gallup-international.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2017_Global-Leaders.pdf), and Putin's approval rating was almost 80%.

I don't know what it is in 2018, but the poll I cited is not "fake ratings".
Dude, I would strongly advice to read Russian polls. According to ВЦИОМ (fully controlled by federal government) Putin's rating was about 85%  in 2014, when he occupied Crimea https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2014/05/15/vciom-rejting-doveriya-putina-dostig-859. Since 2016 it has been steadily dropping to reach 45% in 2018. More indipendent Levada Center gives 37%.  https://www.levada.ru/2018/10/08/doverie-pyatoj-chasti-rossiyan-poteryal-vladimir-putin-za-proshedshij-god  
In December 2017 according to ВЦИОМ his rating was 74% https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-42892410
I don't know why Gallup provides fake ratings. Perhaps it was infiltrated by Putin's agents. Even Russian agencies   give a more truthful picture.
You do realize those polls asked different questions? Gallup measured approval/disapproval rating which is different from asking the respondents to name four or five most trustworthy politicians or asking about voting intentions.
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« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2018, 07:30:50 AM »


You do realize those polls asked different questions? Gallup measured approval/disapproval rating which is different from asking the respondents to name four or five most trustworthy politicians or asking about voting intentions.
The polls I referred to, analyze approval/disapproval ratio. As for trustworthiness, Putin ratings was 39% in September according to Levada. https://snob.ru/news/166674 Now it is apparently smaller. ВЦИОМ gives 37% in October https://wciom.ru/news/ratings/doverie_politikam/
If you don't have command of Russian, use Google translator.
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« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2018, 09:31:05 AM »



As far as I can see, a Gallup poll from '17 shows him around 80% approval.
This information is completely incorrect. His current (October 2018) rating is 45%. This is common knowledge in Russia.
https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-45741068
Another piece of pro Putin' s propaganda, fake high ratings.

Dude, I don't know if you have any issues, but calm down.

Gallup is an American consulting agency that publishes in-depth polls on a lot of issues.

In 2017 they published a huge poll on a lot of different topics (http://www.gallup-international.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2017_Global-Leaders.pdf), and Putin's approval rating was almost 80%.

I don't know what it is in 2018, but the poll I cited is not "fake ratings".
Dude, I would strongly advice to read Russian polls. According to ВЦИОМ (fully controlled by federal government) Putin's rating was about 85%  in 2014, when he occupied Crimea https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2014/05/15/vciom-rejting-doveriya-putina-dostig-859. Since 2016 it has been steadily dropping to reach 45% in 2018. More indipendent Levada Center gives 37%.  https://www.levada.ru/2018/10/08/doverie-pyatoj-chasti-rossiyan-poteryal-vladimir-putin-za-proshedshij-god  
In December 2017 according to ВЦИОМ his rating was 74% https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-42892410
I don't know why Gallup provides fake ratings. Perhaps it was infiltrated by Putin's agents. Even Russian agencies   give a more truthful picture.

Yeah man, just stop with the conspiracy theories, it is not good for your health.

Yeah, there are spies in a lot of places but thinking that Russians are massively infiltrating American companies and that Putin has used a Russian version of MK Ultra to turn Trump into a pawn is kinda crazy.
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« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2018, 11:01:59 AM »


Dude, I would strongly advice to read Russian polls. According to ВЦИОМ (fully controlled by federal government) Putin's rating was about 85%  in 2014, when he occupied Crimea https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2014/05/15/vciom-rejting-doveriya-putina-dostig-859. Since 2016 it has been steadily dropping to reach 45% in 2018. More indipendent Levada Center gives 37%.  https://www.levada.ru/2018/10/08/doverie-pyatoj-chasti-rossiyan-poteryal-vladimir-putin-za-proshedshij-god  
In December 2017 according to ВЦИОМ his rating was 74% https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-42892410
I don't know why Gallup provides fake ratings. Perhaps it was infiltrated by Putin's agents. Even Russian agencies   give a more truthful picture.

Yeah man, just stop with the conspiracy theories, it is not good for your health.

Yeah, there are spies in a lot of places but thinking that Russians are massively infiltrating American companies and that Putin has used a Russian version of MK Ultra to turn Trump into a pawn is kinda crazy.
OK, man, and how would you account for the fact that Gallup gives Putin higher ratings than Putin's controlled ВЦИОМ?
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« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2018, 11:44:07 AM »


You do realize those polls asked different questions? Gallup measured approval/disapproval rating which is different from asking the respondents to name four or five most trustworthy politicians or asking about voting intentions.
The polls I referred to, analyze approval/disapproval ratio. As for trustworthiness, Putin ratings was 39% in September according to Levada. https://snob.ru/news/166674 Now it is apparently smaller. ВЦИОМ gives 37% in October https://wciom.ru/news/ratings/doverie_politikam/
If you don't have command of Russian, use Google translator.
As far as I can see you are referring to this Levada poll https://www.levada.ru/en/2018/10/22/the-most-trusted-russian-politicians/ where the question is "PLEASE NAME THE 5-6 POLITICIANS/PUBLIC FIGURES WHOM YOU TRUST MOST. " Putin's approval rating (Do you generally approve or disapprove of Vladimir Putin’s activities as president (prime minister) of Russia?) can be found here https://www.levada.ru/indikatory/odobrenie-organov-vlasti/
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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2018, 03:43:12 PM »

Remember how Trump sided with Putin against American intelligence agences, claiming "President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be"?  He also denounced "foolishness and stupidity" of the U.S. for worsening the relations with Russia.
Remember president Bush's opinion about Putin: "I looked the man in the eye. I found him very straightforward and trustworthy – I was able to get a sense of his soul"?
Note that both American presidents praised Putin during press conferences after they had met with him privately. And both times their statements came unexpectedly sparking outrage across the political spectrum.
I am sure unusual behavior of both presidents can be accounted for by manipulative techniques used by Putin. He was trained as a KGB foreing intelligence officer in 1970s and even at that time his training included a special course on techniques of influencing people and recruiting agents. When he became FSB director in 1998, and a year later Prime Minister, and then President, his training continued but at much higher level. Currently Putin has a team of psychologists, para psychologists, and psychics and is very well prepared to implant his ideas into listener's  head. He has command of the whole range of psyco techniques including hypnosis in its various forms. The implantation is successful on condition that
1. There is direct and close eye contact. "I looked the man in the eye"
2. There is direct physical contact. Shaking and touching hands, tapping on shoulders, etc.
3. Personal verbal contact without any interferece. During both summits Putin spoke with his counterparts tête-à-tête, without anyone else present. Interpretors were present but they cannot interfere in the conversation.

These three requirements were met during summits in Finland and Slovenia. Obviously, the ideas about Russian non-interference in American election and US fault were implanted into Trump by Putin. And what else?
I am suprised that American intelligence services failed to protect Trump.
American intelligence agences, did the same thing sh**t putin did tot he us during his elections and other countries.
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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2018, 05:14:03 PM »

Look, it's pretty obvious how you manipulate Desperate Donnie. There's no need for anything from cheezy thrillers.

1) Tell him how amazingly awesome he is.

2) Offer him some sort of ego-boost or bribe that would be pocket change to an actual billionaire.

3) He repeats what you tell him.


You can even skip step 2 if you flatter him enough.  I suspect the only reason even more people don't do it is that sinking low enough to kiss Delusional Donnie's shoes requires descending to a level that's pretty hard to reach of anyone with even a sliver of decency or self-respect. Plus, the problem with 3 is that he's a self-absorbed idiot who can't be trusted to repeat the alphabet accurately.
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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2018, 12:07:38 AM »

The idea that Putin uses, on purpose and with planning, "mind games" on people to get them to do what he want's shouldn't be shocking at all.  What is shocking, at least to me, is that more politicians don't utilize such techniques.  I suppose some do, and are just so good at both doing it and hiding the trail that they are doing it, that we don't know they are doing it.
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