What would a modern Democratic-Republican vs Federalist election look like?

[diptheriadan]

What would a modern Democratic-Republican vs Federalist election look like?

[GoTfan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Democratic-Republican Party the conservative party and the Federalist Party were the liberals? Loosely defining them of course.

[Kingpoleon]

Elitist authoritarian v. People's libertarian?

Does anyone else think this might be a good example: Michael Bloomberg/Bob Casey, Jr.(F) v. Charlie Baker/Rand Paul(D-R)?

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Democratic-Republican Party the conservative party and the Federalist Party were the liberals? Loosely defining them of course.

Haha, no.

[Intell]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Democratic-Republican Party the conservative party and the Federalist Party were the liberals? Loosely defining them of course.

It was the opposite, more so.

[Kingpoleon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Democratic-Republican Party the conservative party and the Federalist Party were the liberals? Loosely defining them of course.

It was the opposite, more so.

But my "anti-slavery" Federalists!

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Basically, the left-leaning states going Federalists and the right-leaning states going for the DRs.

[Kingpoleon]

210: Senator Rand Paul/Governor Charlie Baker(Democratic-Republican)
210: Senator Brian Schatz/Governor Larry Hogan(Federalist)
118: Tossup

[NOT gonna be banned soon]

DRs are populists, Federalist are pro-business

[Goldwater]

So, in very vague and general terms, based on my limited understanding of the parties and attempting to convert then to a modern context, something like this:

Federalist Party: Culturally urban/Northeastern, pro-business, more centralized government, more realist in terms of foreign policy.
Democratic-Republican Party: Culturally rural/Southern/Western, populist, more decentralized government/"Sates Rights", more non-interventionist foreign policy.

Okay, let me take a crack at a map for that:

270-268

Eh, probably not very good, but this my attempt at make a map of these parties in a roughly even election year.

[bagelman]

So, in very vague and general terms, based on my limited understanding of the parties and attempting to convert then to a modern context, something like this:

Federalist Party: Culturally urban/Northeastern, pro-business, more centralized government, more realist in terms of foreign policy.
Democratic-Republican Party: Culturally rural/Southern/Western, populist, more decentralized government/"Sates Rights", more non-interventionist foreign policy.

Okay, let me take a crack at a map for that:


270-268

Eh, probably not very good, but this my attempt at make a map of these parties in a roughly even election year.

Looks like D vs. R for 2020, or even 2016.

[Goldwater]

So, in very vague and general terms, based on my limited understanding of the parties and attempting to convert then to a modern context, something like this:

Federalist Party: Culturally urban/Northeastern, pro-business, more centralized government, more realist in terms of foreign policy.
Democratic-Republican Party: Culturally rural/Southern/Western, populist, more decentralized government/"Sates Rights", more non-interventionist foreign policy.

Okay, let me take a crack at a map for that:

270-268

Eh, probably not very good, but this my attempt at make a map of these parties in a roughly even election year.

Looks like D vs. R for 2020, or even 2016.

Yeah, it does, which is part of the reason I don't really like the map, since it seems to reinforce the overly simple "the parties switched sides" argument.

[Enduro]

Assuming nothing else would be different.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Approaching this question on the policy front doesn't really work, as the Federalista and Jeffersonian Republicans promoted the ideas they did for specific, contextual reasons that are no longer relevant in a 21st century economy; instead, let's look at the coalitions themselves and work up from there. In the Jeffersonian camp, you have small farmers and landed gentry, debtors, and people of a generally liberal mindset (yes, I said "liberal;" support for small government is not synonymous with conservatism); in the Hamiltonian camp, you have industrialists, businessmen, the financial interests, and anyone who profits from manufacturing and trade.

Based on these presumptions, here is my slap-together, unscientific presidential swing map:

Jeffersonian Republican    260 Electoral Votes
Federalist    148 Electoral Votes
Toss Up    130 Electoral Votes

I'm not completely certain that every state is in the right column, but in general I think that the South and West would support the Jeffersonians, New England and parts of the Mid Atlantic for the Federalists, while the Midwest is a swing region. That's not all that different from the regional divide of the 1790s, actually.

As for candidates, I would expect to see a Romney-type candidate running for the Federalists and a Bel Edwards or Warren as the Republican nominee.

[Figueira]

210: Senator Rand Paul/Governor Charlie Baker(Democratic-Republican)
210: Senator Brian Schatz/Governor Larry Hogan(Federalist)
118: Tossup

Ugh, can we stop with this notion that Baker would win Massachusetts in a presidential election?

[Kingpoleon]

210: Senator Rand Paul/Governor Charlie Baker(Democratic-Republican)
210: Senator Brian Schatz/Governor Larry Hogan(Federalist)
118: Tossup

Ugh, can we stop with this notion that Baker would win Massachusetts in a presidential election?

With a POD in the 1810s, it's not that unreasonable.

[Agonized-Statism]

[Chips]

TBH, I think an Adams vs. Jefferson election today would probably be very similar to the IRL 2004 map with some changes here and there...



The 2020 election is between the incumbent ghost of John Adams who narrowly beat the ghost of Thomas Jefferson in 2016. The ghost of Thomas Jefferson is again the Democratic-Republican nominee.

Adams maintained his support in both coasts and parts of the midwest. However, Jefferson expanded in the South and some areas of the midwest and mountain west. His populism also allowed him to narrowly take an electoral vote in Maine.

Jefferson wins the popular vote by a deceiving margin of 10 points.

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

According to the Google Trends, Federalists win 288-250. Despite the Democratic Republican candidate winning the popular vote 56%-44%, the Federalist-engineered cabal that is the Electoral College came through for them. Not surprising…